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Post by The Ichi on Feb 26, 2015 17:46:38 GMT -5
Man am I disappointed in this poll result.
I watch NXT to see the stars of tomorrow. That's the entire hook of it. Not to see bloody Rhyno.
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 26, 2015 20:24:57 GMT -5
Depends. I found Rhyno coming in to squash a guy in 30 seconds stupid. If they're coming in to help the talent develop, then its fine and encouraged, but a squash match doesn't teach anyone anything.* *except for how they're going to be used on RAW mostly, natch That's the problem- it's a world of difference between, say, Kendrick and Balor putting on a dream match (where you might argue both sides of "helping Balor develop" with "taking a spot from a lower-level NXT guy who could use a match with Balor to develop" and Rhyno's spot, squashing one of the NXT jobbers in Elias Sampson in 30 seconds. With Kendrick/Balor, you can say either side- but in the Rhyno squash- it's fair to say "Elias Sampson learned more WRESTLING jobbing to Rhyno in 30 seconds than he would in a 30-minute Broadway with one of the other NXT jobbers or low-carders." |
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Post by JDviant on Feb 26, 2015 20:49:23 GMT -5
With Kendrick/Balor, you can say either side- but in the Rhyno squash- it's fair to say "Elias Sampson learned more WRESTLING jobbing to Rhyno in 30 seconds than he would in a 30-minute Broadway with one of the other NXT jobbers or low-carders." NXT already has two guys that come out and squash people in 30 seconds though, and I don't care for that at all either. Taking two moves from Baron Corbin or taking two moves from Rhyno, I don't see the point in either in a developmental league. |
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Post by Starshine on Feb 26, 2015 20:52:49 GMT -5
Yay, but with an exception.
If they're good they add a new dimension to the show which I appreciate. For example I don't think NXT would have been nearly as good as it was last year without Tyson Kidd on the roster.
But on the otherhand, we don't need to see guys like Titus O'Neil and Brodus Clay having dull matches and taking up time in the main event.
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Feb 26, 2015 21:52:28 GMT -5
While I'm o.k. with mixing youth with veterans in the ring, I'm going with "no". It seems, to me, these vets are the one's trying to get the rub from the awesomeness of NXT. I think they are stealing spots from guys that need them. Is putting Kendrick in the mix going to help the promotion or not? It convolutes it even more. Kendrick can work with the smaller guys, true, and the matches will be fun, but why couldn't that match gone back to Neville or given to someone who needs to improve (one The Mechanics or Jason Jordan or EVEN C.J. Parker). Newly published studies are the workforce increasingly prove that experience is not as much as a determinant for success as we originally thought. Furthermore, it may be possible that experience is detrimental to growth, and workers might get WORSE over time. As long as they can justify their existences without cutting guys who don't need cut, then I'll be o.k. with it. Simply hiring them and injecting them into NXT randomly is something I can't get behind. Are these studies measuring 'normal' jobs, though? Because wrestling is a different beast entirely, given it is both intensely physical, and in many ways 'art'. Art and sports are all about experience and learning how to get better. For someone starting out, the best way to learn is to be taught by someone who knows what they're doing. Either by a trainer, or in the ring in an actual match with a veteran. Throwing two guys who need improvement into the ring isn't going to help either of them as much as letting someone who knows how to wrestle well because they know how to wrestle them instead. Lets them pick up on what worked and what they do differently. Even the really solid workers NXT has, who are there to adapt to the style and learning how to be on television, are not as useful as the people who have already been on TV and know what they're doing without needing to be taught. Not to mention, "the product" is by and large about letting developmental guys get out in front of a crowd and to generate revenue that'll help offset the massive cost of the developmental system. The people who need to improve are still learning and being taught to, and when they're ready to go on TV, they do. There's a lot of guys in developmental we have never seen on NXT for that exact reason. Maybe it's apples to oranges, but stockbrokers get statistically no better at predicting stocks after five years of experience. Some of whom even lost money. In my own profession, teachers get no more adept at teaching, despite originally thought, after being in the field than do teachers fresh out of university. One study suggested oncologists with three or less years of work experience are better at diagnosing cancer than their older counterparts. The safe bet for pro-wrestling is to get guys in who know about to be on t.v. and work the schedule, I gather. I propose that, with the advent of the Internet and production values of indies, experience might not be as warranted as it used to be. |
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Feb 26, 2015 21:59:54 GMT -5
While I'm o.k. with mixing youth with veterans in the ring, I'm going with "no". It seems, to me, these vets are the one's trying to get the rub from the awesomeness of NXT. I think they are stealing spots from guys that need them. Is putting Kendrick in the mix going to help the promotion or not? It convolutes it even more. Kendrick can work with the smaller guys, true, and the matches will be fun, but why couldn't that match gone back to Neville or given to someone who needs to improve (one The Mechanics or Jason Jordan or EVEN C.J. Parker). Newly published studies are the workforce increasingly prove that experience is not as much as a determinant for success as we originally thought. Furthermore, it may be possible that experience is detrimental to growth, and workers might get WORSE over time. As long as they can justify their existences without cutting guys who don't need cut, then I'll be o.k. with it. Simply hiring them and injecting them into NXT randomly is something I can't get behind. That's a point. As a fan, I really like that these guys are there, and it seems like they're going to be used well in terms of blending in with the roster instead of being above it. But, there's a trade-off. Sure, Finn Balor gets the experience of working with a Brian Kendrick in a long-ish match with a lot of people watching. But, that's one less talent who actually needs the seasoning on such stage not getting it. And that's very inexact, and in the end the people they want to get screen time will get it, but it is something I thought about in terms of it being the best thing in terms of being a developmental promotion, rather than a fantasy boutique indy promotion. It's almost a quantity (more guys get reps) vs. quality (give a star pupil a big platform against a bigger name), and usually I would go quality, so it's got that going for it. But I can see how it does take a "spot" from someone else with NXT's limited TV time. Exactly. Finn has been in Japan for all those years. So has Itami. One could argue that Japan is bigger than the U.S. for wrestling. Other than specific style (slower and safer), I don't know what you can teach these guys. Tyler Breeze, on the other hand, needs a touch more seasoning. He needs the reps: a rub, going over in a non-title bout, etc. Thats why his and Itami's feud us going to work for both of them. Breeze can establish himself as a heel while Itami can get some work in before getting back into the chase for the belt. |
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 26, 2015 22:20:32 GMT -5
Are these studies measuring 'normal' jobs, though? Because wrestling is a different beast entirely, given it is both intensely physical, and in many ways 'art'. Art and sports are all about experience and learning how to get better. For someone starting out, the best way to learn is to be taught by someone who knows what they're doing. Either by a trainer, or in the ring in an actual match with a veteran. Throwing two guys who need improvement into the ring isn't going to help either of them as much as letting someone who knows how to wrestle well because they know how to wrestle them instead. Lets them pick up on what worked and what they do differently. Even the really solid workers NXT has, who are there to adapt to the style and learning how to be on television, are not as useful as the people who have already been on TV and know what they're doing without needing to be taught. Not to mention, "the product" is by and large about letting developmental guys get out in front of a crowd and to generate revenue that'll help offset the massive cost of the developmental system. The people who need to improve are still learning and being taught to, and when they're ready to go on TV, they do. There's a lot of guys in developmental we have never seen on NXT for that exact reason. Maybe it's apples to oranges, but stockbrokers get statistically no better at predicting stocks after five years of experience. Some of whom even lost money. In my own profession, teachers get no more adept at teaching, despite originally thought, after being in the field than do teachers fresh out of university. One study suggested oncologists with three or less years of work experience are better at diagnosing cancer than their older counterparts. The safe bet for pro-wrestling is to get guys in who know about to be on t.v. and work the schedule, I gather. I propose that, with the advent of the Internet and production values of indies, experience might not be as warranted as it used to be. No but you're not listening. Even if this study is true, stockbrokering is about mathematical patterns and the rise and fall of stocks. It's formulae to make an informed financial decision, it's all in a textbook. Athleticism is not in a textbook. There's a reason wrestlers get better as they train. There's a reason why people are claimed to have been pushed "before their time". Physical fitness is progress. Becoming a comfortable, charismatic talker is progress. Experience is vital to the enjoyment of wrestling, and the internet has literally nothing to do with changing that. It's why the guys being showcased on NXT right now are the major indie standouts, and why guys like Baron Corbin and Bull Dempsey, who are 'home-grown' talents still learning wrestling rather than merely adapting, are not putting on the same caliber of stellar match. If anything, the increased interest and importance in a really good in-ring product and on wrestlers who know what they're doing makes experience more important than ever, not less. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 22:45:59 GMT -5
It makes it like an old territory where a wily veteran can roll in, work with the regular guys and then roll out again. I like it, they'll have to rotate the vets every taping or so though.
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Post by ededdneddy on Feb 27, 2015 0:02:00 GMT -5
So far we have seen
Too Cool
Funaki
Rhyno
The Brian Kendrick
Am I forgetting anyone and also who else could we see from the past?
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Feb 27, 2015 0:22:14 GMT -5
The Brian Kendrick is 35. He's hardly an old man. Why should the world give up on him and brush him aside for the "next generation"?
As a millennial this goes a lot deeper for me than just wrestling. So many people around his and my age have been waiting and waiting for our turn while the previous generation overstayed their welcome. And now they're going to tell us we're old news? Over my dead body, brother.
Nah. Kendrick isn't old. He's ready.
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Post by Starshine on Feb 27, 2015 0:26:56 GMT -5
So far we have seen Too Cool Funaki Rhyno The Brian Kendrick Am I forgetting anyone and also who else could we see from the past? Regal. |
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Post by Essential1 on Feb 27, 2015 3:50:03 GMT -5
It's a good idea that has given us another reason to tune into NXT. Some good tag teams could come out of this using the rookie/pro idea from previous NXTs. The difference is these guys are actually veterans who are not meant to be World Title contenders and should be used to put over the fresh young talent without any issues.
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Post by Green Arrow on Feb 27, 2015 4:33:36 GMT -5
A big part of it, is you have a few marquee names to drag in the crowd when they go on the road
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 27, 2015 4:34:42 GMT -5
Isn't Tyson Kidd's career resurgence proof enough that it certainly can work?
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 27, 2015 4:38:21 GMT -5
If the developmental talents are gaining valuable experience from working with the veterans and not just being used to cannon fodder, go for it. Indeed. After all, NXT is still primarily training, it's not just a show in its own right. Though, it has so far done a fantastic job of balancing these. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 27, 2015 4:44:54 GMT -5
It makes it like an old territory where a wily veteran can roll in, work with the regular guys and then roll out again. I like it, they'll have to rotate the vets every taping or so though. That's a big part of why I like it. You don't want shit like the Power Plant where you end up with guys who only know how to work one kind of match, or with one sort of worker. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 27, 2015 4:59:12 GMT -5
Isn't Tyson Kidd's career resurgence proof enough that it certainly can work? The likes of Tyson Kidd, and now currently Alex Riley, should not be used the same way that Rhyno and The Brian Kendrick (nee Brian Kendrick) are used. Those "old" guys should be helping develop the talents while the established current guys should be given the proper chance to use Their time in NXT develop and improve their own characters and in ring skills. If Triple H is serious about making NXT its own brand and not making it look like a demotion for the guys on the main roster, then the Tyson Kidds, or whoever need to actually shine on NXT, not just be warm bodies to job to the shiny toys, and having real character motivations Other than "I suck because I've been a JTTS for so long and i don't wanna suck anymore". |
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Post by Abdullah on Feb 27, 2015 5:56:04 GMT -5
I guess its ok so far. I'd rather see a big time NXT special with upper card WWE guys coming down for a match. But that'll never happen obviously. Well, it did happen with Cesaro. That was his entire feud with Sami. Given the choice, I would much rather a Fandango or, yes, a Primo get some shine on NXT than Rhyno. A Ziggler even. These are veterans already on the main roster with much to teach and many of them have never had a chance. With that said, I don't mind the idea of bringing in former talent. It shows clearly, as well, why Triple H would sign the likes of Kevin Steen and tried to sign Willie Mack and others. On a very practical level, there would be little reason to watch NXT if not for certain talents. He said they have about 80 guys in developmental. Probably 15-20 get used with any consistency and 5 women... Yeah, I can totally see why Hunter would bring in old favorites given that his roster will most likely be raided soon. |
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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Feb 27, 2015 6:02:38 GMT -5
Absolute yay. It's not like they're putting Alex Riley in the main event (wink wink Catch)
They're being used as enhancement talent, are giving the crowds something (even more) to be excited for besides awesome wrestling and characters, and thus far are solid picks.
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Post by trollrogue on Feb 28, 2015 1:28:29 GMT -5
If the crowd pops for returning Superstars like they have for TBK and Rhyno, I honestly have no problem with it. NXT crowds are used to some great wrestling and entertaining rivalries, so returning Superstars have a high bar to meet just by tussling with the hungry youngsters. That crowd would turn vicious if they take away precious NXT-time with meaningless segments for Superstars not push-worthy (by the Arena's standards).
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