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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Feb 27, 2015 14:46:40 GMT -5
Then he becomes the guy. Good for him and WWE.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 14:47:07 GMT -5
This is so reminiscent of the original Cena super push, I fully expect Roman to have the last laugh at this point.
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Post by angryfan on Feb 27, 2015 17:30:04 GMT -5
What if he gets massively over with the live crowds, draws solid ratings for his segments on TV, starts selling merch on a high level? Let's say not Cena levels, at least at first, but close enough that it's clear that the "WWE Universe" has accepted him, that he can carry the torch ... what is your reaction? Good for him. Same time, if it's "not Cena levels", then I could see him getting the Benoit/Jericho treatment of Cena still being "more important". Frankly, if they go with either short promos or a mouthpiece and he can flesh out a bit more in the ring (a top WWE babyface has to generate heat for the comeback, he doesn't have that just yet), then things could only get better.
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Jeff Mangum PI
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Feb 27, 2015 17:32:26 GMT -5
Because it's hard to admit you're wrong and catch an L when your pride is as big as a house which fits more than a few people on here, frankly. Didn't you make a new Daniel Bryan Bet thread because you couldn't take the L from last year's?
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 27, 2015 18:00:24 GMT -5
Cool. Its about 50/50 right now, and it all comes down to homeboy and his instincts. He's gotta fight the E's moronic booking and the fans established hate. But hes got a good look, great build, young, blah blah..so he could make it. Be the Guy. Its just an uphill battle at the moment.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Feb 27, 2015 18:03:50 GMT -5
Doesn't matter. I don't like him, full stop.
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Post by TheSchattenjager on Feb 27, 2015 18:06:01 GMT -5
People would live in denial.
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Post by Fauxnaki on Feb 27, 2015 18:58:10 GMT -5
I really dont want wwe to be based around one guy. I think the fans havnt just been booing reigns just because of him but our booing because we done want another cena superman character for another 10 years.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 27, 2015 19:08:53 GMT -5
Because it's hard to admit you're wrong and catch an L when your pride is as big as a house which fits more than a few people on here, frankly. Didn't you make a new Daniel Bryan Bet thread because you couldn't take the L from last year's? HEY. This year's wager was made in the spirit of competition! {Spoiler} Also, I need my win back, Jack.
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Post by tms on Feb 27, 2015 19:12:57 GMT -5
So, this is basically asking us what would happen if Reigns actually lived up to his push, which is arguably the most transparent in WWE history.
Usually, the push occurs when the wrestler in question already shows signs of great talent, connection with the crowd, steadily growing momentum, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 19:19:21 GMT -5
Good for him. Same time, if it's "not Cena levels", then I could see him getting the Benoit/Jericho treatment of Cena still being "more important". I think there will be issues of Cena being treated as more important regardless of how well Reigns does. There isn't a good track record of guys thriving as the new top babyface when the previous top babyface is still hanging around.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Feb 27, 2015 19:42:16 GMT -5
If Roman survives apples falling up, the moon dropping on him, and giant Mike Tyson, he will have my respect.
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Post by KobashiChop on Feb 27, 2015 19:43:18 GMT -5
Id give him a shot, but he has to entertain me a damn sight more than he has been doing.
You arent good because you can have a good match with Daniel Bryan. He was the least ready of all 3 guys in the Shield. You could very well have had him dominate the midcard, take a long and well defended IC title run, THEN win the Rumble at WM 32, have him inserted into a reignited Ambrose/Rollins feud and THEN have him win the title. But no, theyre shoehorning him way too hard and there is NOTHING about him that suggests he can be the guy.
The problem for me is I dont even hate Reigns. He really impressed me in the Shields run and he was badass as f***. But this whole push reeks of "their guy". Its tailormade for a heel turn, but that wont happen.
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Post by The Trashman on Feb 27, 2015 19:45:46 GMT -5
If? Its going to happen
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 27, 2015 22:22:23 GMT -5
Dude, I've seen people on here flat out say that they don't hear when Roman is being cheered when he clearly is on TV. I've experienced it WITH MY TWO EYES AND EARS. I don't care if you like the dude or not, that's bullshit either way. It's selective hearing. Or, my personal favorite, when you call em out on their shit, they just duck under the point and talk about everything under the sun except what the f*** I'm actually talking about. A few, not everyone, are gonna push their agenda no matter what the situation is. I've seen it with several situations that don't involve Roman. It sucks but that's how it is. And that's not just here, that's literally every internet forum/discussion board I've been on. Crowd noise is inherently ambiguous, and for ambiguous things, people's biases affect them even if they're being as honest as they can. Roman fans hear louder cheering, people who don't like him hear louder booing. It's not necessarily disingenuous just because it's different from what you're perceiving. Also, people are talking about different things. Someone who is bored by Roman isn't going to like him just if he becomes popular, so I'm not sure why it's weird or a problem that some posters here would be in that boat. I didn't like Goldberg back in WCW, so I would have said that I wouldn't have wanted him to become "the guy," and that has nothing to do with how popular he is. If Reigns gets huge, then that will weaken people complaining about him getting pushed despite not being as popular as other wrestlers. It wouldn't even wreck those arguments (who's to say someone else couldn't have done better in the same position?), and it doesn't have anything to do with them handpicking him in the first place. But the other thing is, it's not the only reason people don't like his push, so why would you expect it to shut up people who don't like him? Personally, I don't think Reigns should be The Guy mostly because the whole idea of The Guy is stupid and backward and counterproductive.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 27, 2015 22:41:28 GMT -5
Dude, I've seen people on here flat out say that they don't hear when Roman is being cheered when he clearly is on TV. I've experienced it WITH MY TWO EYES AND EARS. I don't care if you like the dude or not, that's bullshit either way. It's selective hearing. Or, my personal favorite, when you call em out on their shit, they just duck under the point and talk about everything under the sun except what the f*** I'm actually talking about. A few, not everyone, are gonna push their agenda no matter what the situation is. I've seen it with several situations that don't involve Roman. It sucks but that's how it is. And that's not just here, that's literally every internet forum/discussion board I've been on. Crowd noise is inherently ambiguous, and for ambiguous things, people's biases affect them even if they're being as honest as they can. Roman fans hear louder cheering, people who don't like him hear louder booing. It's not necessarily disingenuous just because it's different from what you're perceiving. Also, people are talking about different things. Someone who is bored by Roman isn't going to like him just if he becomes popular, so I'm not sure why it's weird or a problem that some posters here would be in that boat. I didn't like Goldberg back in WCW, so I would have said that I wouldn't have wanted him to become "the guy," and that has nothing to do with how popular he is. If Reigns gets huge, then that will weaken people complaining about him getting pushed despite not being as popular as other wrestlers. It wouldn't even wreck those arguments (who's to say someone else couldn't have done better in the same position?), and it doesn't have anything to do with them handpicking him in the first place. But the other thing is, it's not the only reason people don't like his push, so why would you expect it to shut up people who don't like him? Personally, I don't think Reigns should be The Guy mostly because the whole idea of The Guy is stupid and backward and counterproductive. I think you're missing the point I'm making here. The "crowd noise is ambiguous" thing is true but at the end of the day, cheers are cheers. I'm not referring to someone saying that cheers weren't loud, I'm referring to people saying that the cheers don't happen. That's a lie. You can say they are only done by women or that they aren't that loud but to say they don't exist is a complete and utter lie. Either that or you need to get your ears checked ASAP. That'd be like saying John Cena doesn't get "Let's Go Cena!" "Cena sucks." It's right there, clear as day. That's being objective. How loud the cheers actually were is where the subjectivity lies. At no point in my post did I say that people need to accept Roman as the guy. I'm not even saying that you need to like Roman. Just be fair. That's all. Personally, I don't give a f*** about Roman but I hate not being able to look at things objectively more. And again, it's not like this is some situation specific to Roman. You had the same shit happening with Daniel Bryan last year. Dude moved near the top of the merch sales and you still goofballs on here talking about "Daniel Bryan isn't marketable or over." Really? Because, he sure seems to getting a lot of cheers at the arenas and his merch is moving pretty damn well. That's letting your personal biases distort what's actually happening in reality. By modern WWE standards, he was a star. It don't f***ing matter what your opinion, or even my opinion, is at that point. The reality is, he's doing very well for himself. If you don't like the guy, fine. To say he's not over? LIE. Lie lie lie and there are a ton of factors slapping you in the face telling you are wrong. It's fine to have your opinion but yes, there is such a thing as being objective in wrestling. And I hate when people can't do that.
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