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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 2, 2015 20:59:37 GMT -5
Thanks Bill.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 2, 2015 21:00:33 GMT -5
I commented on there, and asked about issues with Richie Steamboat and potentially having a neck injury due to some of Demott's training, which I heard, and I'm trying to find out if it's true or false. I've seen Judas Devlin, he didn't do much. But I think one positive thing that helps his case against the idea that he's just "bitter" (as you know, everyone who says something negative about WWE is bitter) is him putting over the Performance Centre and many of the trainers there, including Billy Gunn who he said was really fun and enthusiastic. Basically, NXT would be a great place if Bill Demott wasn't there. Trent Barreta, Derrick Bateman, and Briley Pierce have all backed up this story, if that counts for anything. How does Ricky Steamboat work there, or even work around Bill Demott if it is the case, like, his son was f***ed up because of this idiot. And Richie was really talented too, he was on par with guys on the roster right now and now they can't do anything with him because of this. I'm surprised Steamboat hasn't run over Bill with his car.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 2, 2015 21:10:47 GMT -5
Here's the thing. These people are there by their own choice. They are choosing to train with him. They are choosing to be part of the performance c center. They are not obligated to be there. That is no no one gives a shit. They went there by choice and stay there by choice. If they don't want to deal with Bill Demott then they can leave. That doesn't negate all of the bad things that have been reported about the guy, but it's a simple fact. And isn't there a rule about not wishing harm or people being unemployed and what not around here, or at least an unwritten code? The rule is against wishing harm or death. There are plenty of release threads. As for the first paragraph, that is utter bs. Just because you choose to try to maintain gainful employment in a specific field does not give your superiors the right to degrade you. It's downright illegal to actually try to harm them, but DeMott knows he can hide behind the ol' boy network and the "you volunteered" excuse.
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Post by PTBartman on Mar 2, 2015 21:16:04 GMT -5
Has anyone said anything good about Bill Demotts training? "He has a way with donuts, one of my best customers"
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 2, 2015 21:23:51 GMT -5
You know what may just irk me the most about all the stories of WWE bullying, hazing, and things like that?
So much of the rage and resentment directed toward the young talent seems to come from guys who had no choice but to schlep all over the continent working the territories in the old days. They learned and honed their craft through arduous hours of travel, learning from masters all over the map, and then had to claw their way to relevance in the mainstream in WWF, WCW, or wherever else. They don't like seeing young guys come into WWE and immediately attain fame and success, because the territory days are dead and while many young guys now travel the indies, it's not the same type of atmosphere as it used to be. See all the stories like Muhammed Hassan getting shunned by the locker room for being pushed when he was new to the roster (the nerve of him, eh?).
But, hey, wait a minute? WHY are the territories dead? Oh, right, Vince McMahon and the company he expanded drove them all out. By altering the landscape so much, Vince changed the rules of how to get over in the industry, changed how one "pays their dues", and created a monopoly where, if they want to push you, it won't matter if you're 22 or 50, they're going to push you if it'll make them money.
So how do these guys vent their frustrations? By taking it out on the young talent that has no choice but to come up in Vince's system and get over on Vince's terms. Nah, don't get angry at Vince, just bully, abuse, and browbeat these young 20-somethings who think they're just getting the chance to pursue a dream. Because THAT makes sense!
Happens again and again throughout history: a larger, structural system screws over a large number of people, and rather than looking upward and addressing the unfair structure, people look downward and go after and hurt people below them on the ladder. Always happens.
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Post by PTBartman on Mar 2, 2015 21:34:53 GMT -5
Here's the thing. These people are there by their own choice. They are choosing to train with him. They are choosing to be part of the performance c center. They are not obligated to be there. That is no no one gives a shit. They went there by choice and stay there by choice. If they don't want to deal with Bill Demott then they can leave. That doesn't negate all of the bad things that have been reported about the guy, but it's a simple fact. And isn't there a rule about not wishing harm or people being unemployed and what not around here, or at least an unwritten code? This goes beyond that though, both your points actually, first just because they choose to be there does not mean they choose nor deserve to be treated in violation of US law. And once you violate the law, multiple times, you deserve to be fired; we might as well say it.
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Post by StormanReigns on Mar 2, 2015 21:39:44 GMT -5
Bill is such a vile human being
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 21:56:41 GMT -5
Trent Barreta, Derrick Bateman, and Briley Pierce have all backed up this story, if that counts for anything. How does Ricky Steamboat work there, or even work around Bill Demott if it is the case, like, his son was f***ed up because of this idiot. And Richie was really talented too, he was on par with guys on the roster right now and now they can't do anything with him because of this. I'm surprised Steamboat hasn't run over Bill with his car. Interesting you should mention that. Ricky actually left the Talent Relations department after the situation with Richie's release. He's an "Ambassador" now.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 2, 2015 22:16:59 GMT -5
You know what may just irk me the most about all the stories of WWE bullying, hazing, and things like that? So much of the rage and resentment directed toward the young talent seems to come from guys who had no choice but to schlep all over the continent working the territories in the old days. They learned and honed their craft through arduous hours of travel, learning from masters all over the map, and then had to claw their way to relevance in the mainstream in WWF, WCW, or wherever else. They don't like seeing young guys come into WWE and immediately attain fame and success, because the territory days are dead and while many young guys now travel the indies, it's not the same type of atmosphere as it used to be. See all the stories like Muhammed Hassan getting shunned by the locker room for being pushed when he was new to the roster (the nerve of him, eh?). That's what gets me though, most of the 'old timers' are people who got into wrestling after Vince had mostly dismantled the territory system, guys like Bob Holly, DeMott and JBL aren't old school veterans of the good old fashioned territory days, they're not people who traveled with Bockwinkel or HArley Race so had to be rough, they debuted in the late 80s, early 90s, the schedule they worked is no more brutal than that worked by the present day indy workers they so love to take advantage of. They're just bullies looking for an excuse.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Mar 2, 2015 22:38:04 GMT -5
And isn't there a rule about not wishing harm or people being unemployed and what not around here, or at least an unwritten code? No, it is written and pretty damn clear, just no one seems to bother to read the damned things.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Mar 2, 2015 23:07:53 GMT -5
Plus both of their respective careers Rhyno's worked for practically every promotion on the planet. He's already helped train a number of Indy talents. And he doesn't have a reputation as a grade A dick. I'd say he is qualified enough. Sorry that I wasn't clear; I meant that Rhyno has had a much more impressive career than Demott.
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Post by Lancers on Mar 2, 2015 23:12:39 GMT -5
You know what may just irk me the most about all the stories of WWE bullying, hazing, and things like that? So much of the rage and resentment directed toward the young talent seems to come from guys who had no choice but to schlep all over the continent working the territories in the old days. They learned and honed their craft through arduous hours of travel, learning from masters all over the map, and then had to claw their way to relevance in the mainstream in WWF, WCW, or wherever else. They don't like seeing young guys come into WWE and immediately attain fame and success, because the territory days are dead and while many young guys now travel the indies, it's not the same type of atmosphere as it used to be. See all the stories like Muhammed Hassan getting shunned by the locker room for being pushed when he was new to the roster (the nerve of him, eh?). But, hey, wait a minute? WHY are the territories dead? Oh, right, Vince McMahon and the company he expanded drove them all out. By altering the landscape so much, Vince changed the rules of how to get over in the industry, changed how one "pays their dues", and created a monopoly where, if they want to push you, it won't matter if you're 22 or 50, they're going to push you if it'll make them money. So how do these guys vent their frustrations? By taking it out on the young talent that has no choice but to come up in Vince's system and get over on Vince's terms. Nah, don't get angry at Vince, just bully, abuse, and browbeat these young 20-somethings who think they're just getting the chance to pursue a dream. Because THAT makes sense! Happens again and again throughout history: a larger, structural system screws over a large number of people, and rather than looking upward and addressing the unfair structure, people look downward and go after and hurt people below them on the ladder. Always happens. This is why you're one of my favorite posters here. Always spot on.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 2, 2015 23:54:52 GMT -5
Stories about this guy just get worse and worse with each passing shoot.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 2, 2015 23:58:02 GMT -5
Also, if the front office needs any reason to realize he's not the guy who should be training people, just show him his match with Konnan at Great American Bash 97.
And after they've woken up from their comas, they'll come around.
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Post by Fearless The Tank on Mar 3, 2015 0:08:53 GMT -5
Thanks Bill. Someone who's going to Mania should make this picture into a giant sign and see if there's results then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 0:09:06 GMT -5
Bill DeMott is Buddy Lee Parker 2.0, who knows how many talented guys he ran off because he had a Napoleon complex.
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Post by cityboy on Mar 3, 2015 0:16:55 GMT -5
Geez, I hope he doesn't train the girls as well.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Mar 3, 2015 0:54:48 GMT -5
Here's the thing. These people are there by their own choice. They are choosing to train with him. They are choosing to be part of the performance c center. They are not obligated to be there. That is no no one gives a shit. They went there by choice and stay there by choice. If they don't want to deal with Bill Demott then they can leave. That doesn't negate all of the bad things that have been reported about the guy, but it's a simple fact. And isn't there a rule about not wishing harm or people being unemployed and what not around here, or at least an unwritten code? You're either trolling or you are Bill Demott. Either way, what you've written there is utter nonsense. Those young guys don't have anywhere else to go to make a lucrative career from wrestling in the US, and for many of them it's probably a dream to wrestle in the WWE. "Deal with abuse and harassment from this sociopathic never-was or give up your dream" Seriously? What if this extends to sexual harassment or abuse of the female wrestlers? Is it still 'well if you don't like it, leave'? I'm genuinely intrigued.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 3, 2015 1:06:21 GMT -5
Get rid of him and put Regal, Smiley, or Brookside in his spot. Even without the bullying stuff, the dude sucks, and people who "suck" like Titus, Mojo, Corbin, Riley, and even Reigns would be a lot better off if a true technician were handling them.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 3, 2015 1:21:30 GMT -5
All you have to do is watch Tough Enough and you know that anything ever said about DeMott is probably true.
How he wasn't fired yet,is the biggest mystery of life for me
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