Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 3, 2015 1:55:06 GMT -5
Get rid of him and put Regal, Smiley, or Brookside in his spot. Even without the bullying stuff, the dude sucks, and people who "suck" like Titus, Mojo, Corbin, Riley, and even Reigns would be a lot better off if a true technician were handling them. Considering I don't think Regal wants the job, I think Norman Smiley would be perfect in Hugh Morris' role. Norman is mostly known for his "screamin" gimmick but the man was a fantastic technical wrestler. I think he's a guy who can teach new trainees the ins and outs of the ring and garner respect at the same time. The two things Demott does worse than anyone else.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 3, 2015 2:07:42 GMT -5
Geez, I hope he doesn't train the girls as well. It's mainly Sara Del Rey who trains the women, and I think Norman Smiley does some of the training. I could have sworn I read a few years ago that Triple H wanted X-Pac to be a trainer. He'd be a better head trainer than Demott, just read Jericho's 2nd book if you doubt it.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 3, 2015 2:15:39 GMT -5
Geez, I hope he doesn't train the girls as well. It's mainly Sara Del Rey who trains the women, and I think Norman Smiley does some of the training. I could have sworn I read a few years ago that Triple H wanted X-Pac to be a trainer. He'd be a better head trainer than Demott, just read Jericho's 2nd book if you doubt it. To be fair a poor dub of an old grainy VHS tape of Sweating to the Oldies would be a better trainer than Bill DeMott. Things Richard Simmons could teach that Demott apparently can't... 1. How to safely do cardio 2. How to be loud and over the top but still seem legitimately motivated. 3. How to keep you pants on during training.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 2:31:34 GMT -5
It's mainly Sara Del Rey who trains the women, and I think Norman Smiley does some of the training. I could have sworn I read a few years ago that Triple H wanted X-Pac to be a trainer. He'd be a better head trainer than Demott, just read Jericho's 2nd book if you doubt it. To be fair a poor dub of an old grainy VHS tape of Sweating to the Oldies would be a better trainer than Bill DeMott. Things Richard Simmons could teach that Demott apparently can't... 1. How to safely do cardio 2. How to be loud and over the top but still seem legitimately motivated. 3. How to keep you pants on during training. I'm mad at how all of those points are actually relevant to wrestling.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Mar 3, 2015 3:01:28 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the day someone snaps and attacks him.
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Post by cityboy on Mar 3, 2015 5:17:55 GMT -5
Geez, I hope he doesn't train the girls as well. It's mainly Sara Del Rey who trains the women, and I think Norman Smiley does some of the training. I could have sworn I read a few years ago that Triple H wanted X-Pac to be a trainer. He'd be a better head trainer than Demott, just read Jericho's 2nd book if you doubt it. Good to know. I hope Bayley never hugs Demott. YOU DON'T DESERVE IT BILL. YOU HEAR ME? *ahem* As for what you said about Xpac I don't doubt it. IIRC in that book Jericho said WWE put him with X-Pac to get the WWE style down or something like that.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Mar 3, 2015 6:15:35 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the day someone snaps and attacks him. I just keep wondering what'd happen if he'd been around to pull this shit when Lesnar was coming up. Here's the thing. These people are there by their own choice. They are choosing to train with him. They are choosing to be part of the performance c center. They are not obligated to be there. That is no no one gives a shit. They went there by choice and stay there by choice. If they don't want to deal with Bill Demott then they can leave. That doesn't negate all of the bad things that have been reported about the guy, but it's a simple fact. And isn't there a rule about not wishing harm or people being unemployed and what not around here, or at least an unwritten code? Yeah no. You get a job, you pursue a career, you're there by their own choice, choosing to be there. But if you don't wanna deal with physical abuse, homophobic/racist bullying, unprofessional conduct? You have every right to tell them to f*** off. WWE is a professional, multimedia, global, publically traded company. This kind of bullshit is what you expect from rinky-dink outfits in bumf*** nowhere that can fly under the radar, and even then it's unacceptable. Oh how I wish Regal would take the head trainer's job. Brilliant eye for talent, fantastic trainer with more experience than anybody in the company save Steamboat, and actually professional.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 3, 2015 6:20:41 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the day someone snaps and attacks him. I just keep wondering what'd happen if he'd been around to pull this shit when Lesnar was coming up. Demott wouldn't have done shit to Lesnar. From everything that's come out, Demott is the classic bully, he won't pull this shit with a guy who will completely wreck him without a second thought.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 3, 2015 6:20:41 GMT -5
DeMott was a mediocre wrestler. He's the last guy who has credibility to train others.
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Mar 3, 2015 6:35:23 GMT -5
This guy is actually a very good friend of mine. He's been telling me about this stuff for a while. It's refreshing to see that most people seem to be reacting in a far less smarky and cynical manner than I expected. At times like this, it seems like most wrestling fans are essentially good people who don't like seeing others get taken advantage of. That makes me smile.
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Post by Reflecto on Mar 3, 2015 6:42:24 GMT -5
A lot of the things that we know DeMott is doing are vile (and if it's scratching the surface of the bad stuff, that is only worse)- but being fair, a lot of the things that get complained about do also seem like they're not blowing through all of the worst things DeMott does and tempering them with weaker, lesser charges. Most of the things happening look to be true, but there does seem to be a problem when they tamper the brutal things of "holding injuries against people, attacking the injury while they're there, and punishing them"- the things that he needs to be punished for- with "he...called...[x] NAMES!"- things that, being fair, aren't really that big a deal. It is a point where "maybe wrestling shouldn't use this drill sergeant mentality to weed out the weakest people, but having said that- if you really can't take the trainer calling you a couple names and zone THAT out, maybe wrestling ISN'T for you" level.
It also ties into the strength for some of the victims of this that they could take the namecalling part of it out- of the people who were named in this article, it seems important to mention how only one of the people DeMott called names, at least according to this distinct letter (not saying DeMott doesn't do it all the time), made NXT television- Enzo Amore. This led to people being furious of DeMott daring to call Amore names, but Enzo Amore himself seems to have zoned that out and ended up getting a measure of respect for doing so, while the other names, by and large, flamed out without making a TV debut (which is likely tied to that.)
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 3, 2015 6:52:42 GMT -5
^The name thing goes with Demott's attitude. It's just another thing he does that he can get away with. If the trainer was someone like a Cesaro who said "Let's go dumbass" there wouldn't be a problem, because Cesaro doesn't take liberties in the ring, and isn't a bully. Guys like Cesaro, Regal, Finlay, Barrett, Albert, and Sheamus will stiff the f*** out of someone, but they'll want that person to fire back, they also will be stiff, and not a bully, not reckless.
It's something that may be minor, that is magnified by everything else he does.
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Post by cait on Mar 3, 2015 7:07:19 GMT -5
I'm waiting for the day someone snaps and attacks him. Someone was talked out of shooting him once in DSW. This guy is actually a very good friend of mine. He's been telling me about this stuff for a while. It's refreshing to see that most people seem to be reacting in a far less smarky and cynical manner than I expected. At times like this, it seems like most wrestling fans are essentially good people who don't like seeing others get taken advantage of. That makes me smile. I talked to him via DM once. The guy obviously has his grievences but he never struck me as bitter. He also admits he was signed too soon in terms of being mentally prepared and prepared "world traveled" skills as a Wrestler. I've asked others who were in NXT with him and no one has said he is a kook.
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Post by TGM on Mar 3, 2015 7:19:09 GMT -5
Can someone make a shirt list of vile things that Bill DeMott has actuallu been 100% without a doubt confirmed to have done?
I don't much care for the guy but I'd like to see some conclusive proof he's the monster people are saying.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 3, 2015 7:30:12 GMT -5
I just keep wondering what'd happen if he'd been around to pull this shit when Lesnar was coming up. Demott wouldn't have done shit to Lesnar. From everything that's come out, Demott is the classic bully, he won't pull this shit with a guy who will completely wreck him without a second thought. Though according to the report, he bullied Rusev, so either he's a complete imbecile or Rusev is a REALLY nice guy.
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Post by Juice on Mar 3, 2015 7:32:46 GMT -5
Here's the thing. These people are there by their own choice. They are choosing to train with him. They are choosing to be part of the performance c center. They are not obligated to be there. That is no no one gives a shit. They went there by choice and stay there by choice. If they don't want to deal with Bill Demott then they can leave. That doesn't negate all of the bad things that have been reported about the guy, but it's a simple fact. And isn't there a rule about not wishing harm or people being unemployed and what not around here, or at least an unwritten code? You're either trolling or you are Bill Demott. Either way, what you've written there is utter nonsense. Those young guys don't have anywhere else to go to make a lucrative career from wrestling in the US, and for many of them it's probably a dream to wrestle in the WWE. "Deal with abuse and harassment from this sociopathic never-was or give up your dream" Seriously? What if this extends to sexual harassment or abuse of the female wrestlers? Is it still 'well if you don't like it, leave'? I'm genuinely intrigued. I'm not trolling I am explaining why upper management doesn't give a f***. Those people are there by choice they can leave if they want. It's one of the benefits of being the only game in town and why no one in mainstram media or Nancy Grace will ever cover it. These people aren't being held against their will. But hey lets everyone attack me for making point everyone is glossing over to hate Bill.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 3, 2015 8:30:28 GMT -5
I'm not trolling I am explaining why upper management doesn't give a f***. Those people are there by choice they can leave if they want. It's one of the benefits of being the only game in town and why no one in mainstram media or Nancy Grace will ever cover it. These people aren't being held against their will. But hey lets everyone attack me for making point everyone is glossing over to hate Bill. The choice they're given is deal with bullying that wouldn't be okay in any other business, that wouldn't be okay on the real roster, work drills that seem to be designed purely to injure people and risk being dropped on injured body parts or your head by the trainer to teach you a lesson, or give up any hope of making real money in wrestling. In the real world, if you get a job in a bad workplace, you have options to move on to other places in the same field, in wrestling the WWE is basically the only game in town if you want to make any real money. The worst thing about this is the WWE started it's anti bullying campaigns and claimed to be cleaning up backstage, things like wrestler's court are gone, but in it's place, they've put DeMott in a position of power and have institutionalised the old fashioned, poisonous JBL style hazing and it needs to stop. Management never give a *bleep* about problems that affect the welfare of talent until they are forced to confront them and the only way that's going to happen is if more guys speak out and embarrass the company about a guy they know full well there is a problem with, a guy they fired once because people weren't progessing well enough when he ran DSW.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 8:53:06 GMT -5
Demott wouldn't have done shit to Lesnar. From everything that's come out, Demott is the classic bully, he won't pull this shit with a guy who will completely wreck him without a second thought. Though according to the report, he bullied Rusev, so either he's a complete imbecile or Rusev is a REALLY nice guy. Rusev was recovering from neck surgery. He tried it not, Rusev ends him.
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Post by abjordans on Mar 3, 2015 9:11:06 GMT -5
The fact that Bill Demott is the head trainer and superior of guys like Billy Gunn.. and Ricky Steamboat... Ricky freakin' Steamboat... Makes no sense.
WWE is pretty much on good terms with everyone at this point in time. You mean to tell me they can't get someone more qualified to run that place? You are saying Lance Storm wouldn't take that place over? Sean Waltman and Scott Hall wouldn't be great trainers? Goldust is close to calling it quits, he wouldn't love to go down there and work with his dad?
I just don't understand how Demott got this spot. I watched his whole WCW run. I can remember him debuting on Saturday Night. He sucked. He is most famous for being named after a boner for a while. He jobber for Goldberg a lot. How did he score one of the most important jobs in WWE? A job he has held off and on for the better part of a decade. Think about this.. A guy who spent his whole career as one step up from a jobber is Dusty Rhodes boss. Is Billy Gunns boss. Let that sink in. It is like buying a Ferrari and putting sand in the gas tank.
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Post by Speedy Cerviche on Mar 3, 2015 9:34:24 GMT -5
You're either trolling or you are Bill Demott. Either way, what you've written there is utter nonsense. Those young guys don't have anywhere else to go to make a lucrative career from wrestling in the US, and for many of them it's probably a dream to wrestle in the WWE. "Deal with abuse and harassment from this sociopathic never-was or give up your dream" Seriously? What if this extends to sexual harassment or abuse of the female wrestlers? Is it still 'well if you don't like it, leave'? I'm genuinely intrigued. I'm not trolling I am explaining why upper management doesn't give a f***. Those people are there by choice they can leave if they want. It's one of the benefits of being the only game in town and why no one in mainstram media or Nancy Grace will ever cover it. These people aren't being held against their will. But hey lets everyone attack me for making point everyone is glossing over to hate Bill. I dunno about over in the US, but here in Australia employers have an obligation to provide a reasonably safe working environment free from the sort of needless, reckless bullshit this dickhead has reportedly done. They should give a f*** and if they don't, it's their fault, not the talent's fault, and whether mainstream media decides to crucify them or not is irrelevant. It should not be condoned.
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