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Post by mrbananagrabber on Mar 8, 2015 19:09:45 GMT -5
Apologies if this has been posted before (couldn't see it), but Josh Matthews has been having a pop at Vince.
“I just look at it as someone who doesn’t get it anymore, and who has lost so much touch with what his product is. [He] didn’t like anything else that was going on so he literally created his own universe. I mean, that’s what they called it the ‘Universe,’ because he created it and he lives in that bubble.”
Didn't Josh get FIRED from that same bubble?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 19:20:44 GMT -5
Because TNA sure gets it, right Josh?
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Post by Mama Rhodes Looking @ U Now on Mar 8, 2015 20:08:56 GMT -5
Whenever I think of people that just "got" it, I think of that one guy who turned heel on Smackdown for 5 seconds and then reverted back to normal.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 8, 2015 20:10:09 GMT -5
I mean...it's not like his point isn't valid.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 8, 2015 20:16:50 GMT -5
Yeah, just because TNA has its fair share of problems doesn't mean it isn't fair for a guy who used to work in WWE to point out where he thinks things have gone wrong...and the notion that "Vince is out of touch" isn't exactly new.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 8, 2015 20:17:45 GMT -5
I mean...it's not like his point isn't valid. It is, but it's like saying "Man, Vince is a dinosaur" while cashing checks from an Iguanadon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 20:25:01 GMT -5
I mean...it's not like his point isn't valid. It's valid, but it loses its luster when the company he works for is still parading Tommy Dreamer way past his expiration date and clinging to all of these "legends" to carry the workload, and in general, never seem to learn from ANY of their mistakes. At that point, it's just saying something to gain favor in somebody's eyes. Didn't work with me, though.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 8, 2015 20:28:35 GMT -5
I mean...it's not like his point isn't valid. It is, but it's like saying "Man, Vince is a dinosaur" while cashing checks from an Iguanadon. I mean...it's not like his point isn't valid. It loses validity when the company he works for is still parading Tommy Dreamer and Abyss around way past their expiration date, and in general, never seem to learn from ANY of their mistakes. I disagree. It'd be one thing if he said, "Man, Vince has no idea what he is doing unlike us here at TNA Wrestling who know how to do everything right!" But, that's not what he said. He's an ex-employee stating what he feels wrong with the company. His point is every bit as valid as anybody. He's experienced Vince's nature first hand. Your place of employment shouldn't negate your point. It'd be one thing if the statement was comparing the two companies but it wasn't. Just seems really unfair to me to blow off his point because he works for TNA.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 20:35:18 GMT -5
I mean...it's not like his point isn't valid. It's valid, but it loses its luster when the company he works for is still parading Tommy Dreamer way past his expiration date and clinging to all of these "legends" to carry the workload, and in general, never seem to learn from ANY of their mistakes. At that point, it's just saying something to gain favor in somebody's eyes. Didn't work with me, though. Why does it matter where he makes a living? He's not allowed to have an opinion on Vince McMahon because of it?
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 8, 2015 20:39:26 GMT -5
It is, but it's like saying "Man, Vince is a dinosaur" while cashing checks from an Iguanadon. It loses validity when the company he works for is still parading Tommy Dreamer and Abyss around way past their expiration date, and in general, never seem to learn from ANY of their mistakes. I disagree. It'd be one thing if he said, "Man, Vince has no idea what he is doing unlike us here at TNA Wrestling who know how to do everything right!" But, that's not what he said. He's an ex-employee stating what he feels wrong with the company. His point is every bit as valid as anybody. He's experienced Vince's nature first hand. Your place of employment shouldn't negate your point. It'd be one thing if the statement was comparing the two companies but it wasn't. Just seems really unfair to me to blow off his point because he works for TNA. I still think he has a valid point. I am just mocking him because the same criticism largely applies to his boss. One's stuck in 1989, the other, in 1997.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Mar 9, 2015 0:15:35 GMT -5
Vince is old and out of touch. Dixie is Ted Turner on a bad acid trip. We suffer both ways.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Mar 9, 2015 0:32:32 GMT -5
He's certainly not wrong.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Mar 9, 2015 0:41:55 GMT -5
Seems like a shameless attempt to get smarks to rally behind him and/or TNA.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 9, 2015 0:45:30 GMT -5
Where did he say this? If it was on an itnerview, it doesn't seem that bad. But if it was on impact, then it would look bad.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 9, 2015 0:54:24 GMT -5
Ooooh, that dastardly Vince! He wasn't happy with the entertainment around him and so he developed his own unique vision! And now it's time for the Revolution, TNA's deadly cultish stable led by a charismatic leader that isn't modeled after Bray Wyatt at all.
Josh was generalizing there as much as I just was.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 9, 2015 1:02:04 GMT -5
It is, but it's like saying "Man, Vince is a dinosaur" while cashing checks from an Iguanadon. It loses validity when the company he works for is still parading Tommy Dreamer and Abyss around way past their expiration date, and in general, never seem to learn from ANY of their mistakes. I disagree. It'd be one thing if he said, "Man, Vince has no idea what he is doing unlike us here at TNA Wrestling who know how to do everything right!" But, that's not what he said. He's an ex-employee stating what he feels wrong with the company. His point is every bit as valid as anybody. He's experienced Vince's nature first hand. Your place of employment shouldn't negate your point. It'd be one thing if the statement was comparing the two companies but it wasn't. Just seems really unfair to me to blow off his point because he works for TNA. You know I was thinking about this and you know I think the problem is something Josh touched upon on: hubris. When ECW and WCW folded Vince finally beat Ted Turner and became the sole major wrestling company in the US. The only problem is we learn from failure (see the early Monday Night Wars) than from success. Obviously Vince knows the product, but he's been on the top for a long time. In addition, he's a 50+ year old man. Any business is going to change in a generation. McDonald's was once the top of the fast food chain. Now they're struggling in a world of upscale, quality restaurants like chiptole. Vince I think is blocking out the voices telling him to drive the product in a new direction. The stuff with Bill DeMott and insistence on Roman Reigns I think confirms this.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 9, 2015 1:02:53 GMT -5
I think Josh is just an unlikeable prick.
Ever since that exchange on Twitter where he insulted JR out of the blue, I get the feeling that he didn't like WWE for telling him what to say and do, because they realized that he's an asshole when left to his own devices.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 1:12:40 GMT -5
Well, he's not wrong.
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Post by blackmegaman on Mar 9, 2015 1:15:12 GMT -5
Seems like a shameless attempt to get smarks to rally behind him and/or TNA. Bingo Edit : And I have to ask , besides getting a cheap pop why did he say it ? It's doesn't make your company look better, and if any it only will draw comparisons to what Impact is doing wrong (which is a lot of the same things).
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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Mar 9, 2015 2:29:49 GMT -5
Because he's allowed to have an opinion. And worked closely with Vince for years.
Why do any of us say it? We don't know Vince and haven't worked for him. It's clear as day. He's not justifying TNA, he's just stating an opinion.
And the comment above about mocking him, is a lot of how I see what goes on in TNA's threads. Even when something neat is happening everyone wants to just mock everything else. It's like a fraternity where snickers and sideways comments are version of hi-fives and slaps on the asses. "Aren't we so funny" "I know right!"
Yeah Dreamer is annoying, and fat. yeah Dixie is a freaking moron. But at least their world title picture has contenders, and more than one person going after the belt instead of one guy being pigeon holed into a role he's not ready for, and a champion who shows up. Yeah James Storm is a Bray Wyatt rip off. But he's been more successful at being a cult leader, cuts normal promos, and outside of Koya the group isn't half bad. I could go on about EC3 being consistent, and tag title matches being good, but the only thing I'll complain about is Low-Ki's hair. Again. Because it looks awful.
Otherwise let the flaming/mocking continue.
yes Josh is a prick. But at least he's a hot prick.
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