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Post by PsychoGoatee on Mar 11, 2015 0:15:51 GMT -5
Heyman is magic, easily the best ever on the mic.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 11, 2015 1:46:10 GMT -5
I really think this newest incarnation of Heyman's character really cements his place among the greatest managers of all time. He teetered near it with the Dangerous Alliance and ECW/Invasion Alliance, but this version of him since his return with Brock just puts him over the top, easily. His character in near-30 years has evolved so organically and gradually. I can't speak for the man as a person, but as a character, he's one of the best wrestling has ever produced.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 11, 2015 2:00:59 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they aren't just randomly messing with his mic. You don't screw with the guy selling your WM main event like that unless he's in on it. That, or modern mic technology just can't keep up with the Heyman hot fire.
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Post by trollrogue on Mar 11, 2015 2:26:56 GMT -5
I had goosebumps when he mentioned unifying the UFC and WWE championship, the mic-killing made it seem like a shoot promo that went too far and I liiiiiked itttt
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 3:40:08 GMT -5
Pipebomb
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 11, 2015 12:48:39 GMT -5
The promise that "anybody attempting a Montreal Screwjob will not leave WrestleMania alive" was gold, because it was a selling point: even to a mark, it opens up the possibility that something like that COULD happen. If this wasn't a "WWE Network WrestleMania", that line alone could've sold a few thousand more buys for the show.
Still, the line about the Authority bothered me, because it showed another major problem WWE has: it has no idea how to operate if it doesn't have a heel authority group running things in kayfabe. I don't care how rarely he shows up - things should've been planned from SummerSlam 2014 onward to make Brock the ultimate Big Bad of the WWE. As it stands, because he's a threat to Triple H, he's almost a babyface to large segments of the crowd. Stupid.
Brock is the greatest danger the WWE has ever known, if we go by their own booking. Given that, the show should be restructured and it should be clear that Brock and Paul run the show, now. The night after SummerSlam last year should've had the Authority celebrating Cena's defeat, Heyman joining them...then siccing Brock on them to complete the overthrow.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Mar 11, 2015 13:35:10 GMT -5
I pretty much just tune in to see Heyman/Lesnar
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Post by paywindah on Mar 11, 2015 13:52:42 GMT -5
The thing is, he doesn't have his promos scripted down to every last word like 95% of the roster. We'd get similarly great promos every so often from the wrestlers if they were allowed to be themselves and develop strong promo skills over time without writers scripting things that nobody would actually say in real life. If Lesnar leaves, throw money at Heyman to do nothing but work guys and their talking. Throw out the scripts and bring back some emotion into these kinds of promos.
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Post by Brickstone Kid on Mar 11, 2015 15:27:28 GMT -5
The thing is, he doesn't have his promos scripted down to every last word like 95% of the roster. We'd get similarly great promos every so often from the wrestlers if they were allowed to be themselves and develop strong promo skills over time without writers scripting things that nobody would actually say in real life. If Lesnar leaves, throw money at Heyman to do nothing but work guys and their talking. Throw out the scripts and bring back some emotion into these kinds of promos. I agree with this to an extent, but like Triple H said in his podcast with Austin (granted he could be full of sh*t), it's possible some of these guys just CAN'T write promos on their own or speak naturally without having something pre-written for them. Not everyone is as orally inclined as guys like Cena, Punk, Heyman, etc.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 11, 2015 20:16:00 GMT -5
The thing is, he doesn't have his promos scripted down to every last word like 95% of the roster. We'd get similarly great promos every so often from the wrestlers if they were allowed to be themselves and develop strong promo skills over time without writers scripting things that nobody would actually say in real life. If Lesnar leaves, throw money at Heyman to do nothing but work guys and their talking. Throw out the scripts and bring back some emotion into these kinds of promos. I agree with this to an extent, but like Triple H said in his podcast with Austin (granted he could be full of sh*t), it's possible some of these guys just CAN'T write promos on their own or speak naturally without having something pre-written for them. Not everyone is as orally inclined as guys like Cena, Punk, Heyman, etc. It's fair to say that not all wrestlers are cut out for delivering great promos; go back to any era in history, no matter how little scripting was done, and you'll see plenty of guys who could barely string three sentences together. That said, it should then be the responsibility of the writers/bookers to work around the deficiencies of their workers. Jack Swagger isn't a great promo, so they gave him Zeb Coulter, played by Dutch Mantell, one of the all time great talkers. Brock Lesnar doesn't work well beyond a few threatening sentences and animal screams, so he's paired with Paul Heyman. But even if you don't want to give a guy a manager, you can give him a gimmick that doesn't require a lot of talking, or keep his promos short and to the point, or put him in angles/feuds that play off his less-talkative demeanor, alter the show's presentation to make guys who aren't great talkers come off a bit more naturally, etc. etc. etc. WWE's constant problem is the need to force square pegs into repetitively round holes. They're better off letting guys play to their strengths, and doing whatever they can to mask their weaknesses; even if the guy isn't a good talker, he'll still seem more real, more like himself, and thus more relatable.
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Post by bigjohnsons on Mar 11, 2015 22:28:33 GMT -5
The thing is, he doesn't have his promos scripted down to every last word like 95% of the roster. We'd get similarly great promos every so often from the wrestlers if they were allowed to be themselves and develop strong promo skills over time without writers scripting things that nobody would actually say in real life. If Lesnar leaves, throw money at Heyman to do nothing but work guys and their talking. Throw out the scripts and bring back some emotion into these kinds of promos. I agree with this to an extent, but like Triple H said in his podcast with Austin (granted he could be full of sh*t), it's possible some of these guys just CAN'T write promos on their own or speak naturally without having something pre-written for them. Not everyone is as orally inclined as guys like Cena, Punk, Heyman, etc. How hard could it be "I'm the best because ________ , and I'll beat _________ because I'm the ___________ , did I mention I'm the ___________ !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 22:41:27 GMT -5
I agree with this to an extent, but like Triple H said in his podcast with Austin (granted he could be full of sh*t), it's possible some of these guys just CAN'T write promos on their own or speak naturally without having something pre-written for them. Not everyone is as orally inclined as guys like Cena, Punk, Heyman, etc. It's fair to say that not all wrestlers are cut out for delivering great promos; go back to any era in history, no matter how little scripting was done, and you'll see plenty of guys who could barely string three sentences together. That said, it should then be the responsibility of the writers/bookers to work around the deficiencies of their workers. Jack Swagger isn't a great promo, so they gave him Zeb Coulter, played by Dutch Mantell, one of the all time great talkers. Brock Lesnar doesn't work well beyond a few threatening sentences and animal screams, so he's paired with Paul Heyman. But even if you don't want to give a guy a manager, you can give him a gimmick that doesn't require a lot of talking, or keep his promos short and to the point, or put him in angles/feuds that play off his less-talkative demeanor, alter the show's presentation to make guys who aren't great talkers come off a bit more naturally, etc. etc. etc. WWE's constant problem is the need to force square pegs into repetitively round holes. They're better off letting guys play to their strengths, and doing whatever they can to mask their weaknesses; even if the guy isn't a good talker, he'll still seem more real, more like himself, and thus more relatable. The weird thing is sometimes WWE gets things right by forcing the wrestler to focus on his weakness and get it right to become an even better wrestler. They turned Seth Rollins into a heel when the logical thing was to turn him into a babyface since he has a great look, a babyface highflying wrestling style, and was shit on the mic. Now I would argue of all the serious prospects WWE has Seth Rollins is the most complete since he can play an incredible heel and gets better and better on the mic. Same thing with Ambrose when we assumed he was going to be a heel for almost life Edge 2.0. but now he's one of the most perfect babyfaces on the roster. Then again it's like if someone gave them enough personal guidance to make sure they don't sink and gave them the confidence that they won't fail. Probably Triple H. I don't know. I'm still shocked how The Shield was booked perfectly from start to finish and the solo character transitions of Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose are perfect. How they are booked is debatable especially on the Ambrose part but the characters and the improvements they made as solo performers strengthening up on their weakness is damn near flawless.
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Post by bob on Mar 11, 2015 23:06:45 GMT -5
Heyman is singlehandedly making me interested in Lesnar vs Roman
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