Rubix Cube Johnny
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Post by Rubix Cube Johnny on Mar 17, 2015 15:01:36 GMT -5
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Post by Rubix Cube Johnny on Mar 17, 2015 15:03:31 GMT -5
You guys all beat me to it while I was doing my research.
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Post by Push R Truth on Mar 17, 2015 15:22:49 GMT -5
You guys all beat me to it while I was doing my research. That's what you get for checking facts. You're the worst journalist in the history of our sport!
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 17, 2015 15:24:31 GMT -5
I would say Dolce and Gabbana are doing their best to tarnish their image, but if people in the industry forgave John Galiano, they'll forgive them for declaring IVF babies to be lesser humans.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 17, 2015 15:55:11 GMT -5
Posters on this board actually defending the right for a grown man to feel up little boys. Absolutely sick They aren't doing that. They are pointing out that Michael Jackson wasn't convicted of anything he was charged with. His judgement may have been suspect when it came to surrounding himself with children from families who were able to exploit him, but that doesn't equate to being a child molestor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 16:13:33 GMT -5
Posters on this board actually defending the right for a grown man to feel up little boys. Absolutely sick No we're not.
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Post by Hurbster on Mar 17, 2015 16:24:40 GMT -5
Getting a bit heated in heah.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 17, 2015 16:28:35 GMT -5
Nicholas Cage's star has fallen significantly over the last 10 years through terrible role choices (with the exception of Kick Ass) and his bizarre behaviour.
And it's a shame, because the guy was very charismatic and talented as a lead actor. He was utterly brilliant in Leaving Las Vegas, and he had three blockbusters in a row with Face Off, The Rock and Con Air.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 17, 2015 17:53:27 GMT -5
I'm just going to leave this here.
I've babysat several children and I can gladly say none can accurately describe my penis' distinguishing characteristics. Not that that proves anything when you have enough lawyers and apologists.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 17:58:44 GMT -5
I'm just going to leave this here. I've babysat several children and I can gladly say none can accurately describe my penis' distinguishing characteristics. Not that that proves anything when you have enough lawyers and apologists. The kid admitted he was fed lies by his father. He didn't accurately describe anything.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 17, 2015 18:07:07 GMT -5
I'm just going to leave this here. I've babysat several children and I can gladly say none can accurately describe my penis' distinguishing characteristics. Not that that proves anything when you have enough lawyers and apologists. The kid admitted he was fed lies by his father. He didn't accurately describe anything. He made drawings. Drawings that matched pictures taken at a later date. I mean believe what you want but it was entered into court and never got thrown.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 17, 2015 21:03:48 GMT -5
I'm just going to leave this here. I've babysat several children and I can gladly say none can accurately describe my penis' distinguishing characteristics. Not that that proves anything when you have enough lawyers and apologists. Once again this is another misinformed piece of information. Jordan didn't accurately describe anything. One of the key elements to the testimony was that he said Michael was circumsised, the photos that were taken of him, and along with his autopsy showed he wasn't circumsised. I am pretty sure I could describe a penis too. Testimony, along with the FBI files, and several pieces of articles from independent sources revealed that Evan Chandler placed his son under sedation using while extracting a tooth and said anesthetic(spelling?) places the patient into a state of mind where implanting memories, making suggestions, and that they're at a point where you can get them to do and say anything under the power of suggestion. Considering how the media was after Michael, along with the law enforcement of California, does anyone who believes he was guilty actually think that if there was proof of his guilt they wouldn't place him in jail? There was more money, ratings, and headlines in Michael Jackson being in prison than a free man. Let's not forget that the DA Tom Sneddon was quoted as saying "We're going to run this *racial slur* out of town."
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 17, 2015 21:13:27 GMT -5
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 18, 2015 3:17:00 GMT -5
Once again this is another misinformed piece of information. Jordan didn't accurately describe anything. One of the key elements to the testimony was that he said Michael was circumsised, the photos that were taken of him, and along with his autopsy showed he wasn't circumsised. I am pretty sure I could describe a penis too. Testimony, along with the FBI files, and several pieces of articles from independent sources revealed that Evan Chandler placed his son under sedation using while extracting a tooth and said anesthetic(spelling?) places the patient into a state of mind where implanting memories, making suggestions, and that they're at a point where you can get them to do and say anything under the power of suggestion. Considering how the media was after Michael, along with the law enforcement of California, does anyone who believes he was guilty actually think that if there was proof of his guilt they wouldn't place him in jail? There was more money, ratings, and headlines in Michael Jackson being in prison than a free man. Let's not forget that the DA Tom Sneddon was quoted as saying "We're going to run this *racial slur* out of town." He didn't just describe a penis. He drew it. They needed the drawings to get the warrants to "violate" Jackson by photographing. He never said he was circumcised. That little factoid was added by the Smoking Gun website, based on a third parties statements, not the boys and later taken down, but that had already become the story with legs. Th Smoking Gun while interesting makes no qualms about flavoring their stories. They are a drier version of TMZ. If the same article is to be believed MJ lived in a den of kiddie porn with rape rooms filled with toys and liquor. NOBODY not part of council knows what the boy described and council is forbidden to discuss. That info is redacted in all public releases. What we do know is that two grand juries saw the photo and drawing as side by side comparisons and chose to indict. We do know that after his defense exhausted all attempts to emove the photographs Jackson settled. Also if the boy drew an erect penis and Micheal had a relatively normal amount of foreskin it would be drawn back and look a lot like an erect circumcised penis. What I got from his death wasn't the circumcision info. I got his families true nature to deny Michael's responsibility for anything he has done. They are still suing the company who wanted to run his final true for paying for the doctor Jackson chose and to this day maintain he didn't have a drug problem (because they were prescriptions and nobody abuses those) and was just a victim. Listen I will not change your mind, and you will not change mine. The point is in regards to this thread I believe MJ's image is permanently tarnished for a very large selection of people. Conversely I will admit that there is nothing at this point than can make some people think MJ did anything wrong ever. So it will be that way I'd imagine for the rest of our lives and probably a while beyond.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 18, 2015 13:15:00 GMT -5
Once again this is another misinformed piece of information. Jordan didn't accurately describe anything. One of the key elements to the testimony was that he said Michael was circumsised, the photos that were taken of him, and along with his autopsy showed he wasn't circumsised. I am pretty sure I could describe a penis too. Testimony, along with the FBI files, and several pieces of articles from independent sources revealed that Evan Chandler placed his son under sedation using while extracting a tooth and said anesthetic(spelling?) places the patient into a state of mind where implanting memories, making suggestions, and that they're at a point where you can get them to do and say anything under the power of suggestion. Considering how the media was after Michael, along with the law enforcement of California, does anyone who believes he was guilty actually think that if there was proof of his guilt they wouldn't place him in jail? There was more money, ratings, and headlines in Michael Jackson being in prison than a free man. Let's not forget that the DA Tom Sneddon was quoted as saying "We're going to run this *racial slur* out of town." He didn't just describe a penis. He drew it. They needed the drawings to get the warrants to "violate" Jackson by photographing. He never said he was circumcised. That little factoid was added by the Smoking Gun website, based on a third parties statements, not the boys and later taken down, but that had already become the story with legs. Th Smoking Gun while interesting makes no qualms about flavoring their stories. They are a drier version of TMZ. If the same article is to be believed MJ lived in a den of kiddie porn with rape rooms filled with toys and liquor. NOBODY not part of council knows what the boy described and council is forbidden to discuss. That info is redacted in all public releases. What we do know is that two grand juries saw the photo and drawing as side by side comparisons and chose to indict. We do know that after his defense exhausted all attempts to emove the photographs Jackson settled. Also if the boy drew an erect penis and Micheal had a relatively normal amount of foreskin it would be drawn back and look a lot like an erect circumcised penis. What I got from his death wasn't the circumcision info. I got his families true nature to deny Michael's responsibility for anything he has done. They are still suing the company who wanted to run his final true for paying for the doctor Jackson chose and to this day maintain he didn't have a drug problem (because they were prescriptions and nobody abuses those) and was just a victim. Listen I will not change your mind, and you will not change mine. The point is in regards to this thread I believe MJ's image is permanently tarnished for a very large selection of people. Conversely I will admit that there is nothing at this point than can make some people think MJ did anything wrong ever. So it will be that way I'd imagine for the rest of our lives and probably a while beyond. I can draw a penis too you know. It doesn't take much imagination to draw one. You have a right to your opinion, and I am not attempting to change your mind. However, it's quite apparent that you believe everything the media has presented. So I'll go ahead and offer a rebuttal to your claims. First and foremost, Michael didn't have kiddie porn as you adamantly claim. He did however have heterosexual pornography such as Playboy, Hustler, and other forms of porn that were strictly for heterosexual men. He did have a wine cellar that can only be accessed by combination. I am not saying Michael was a perfect angel, what I am saying is that he wasn't a pedophile nor was he a child molester. What does his doctor have to do with the accusations? Are you aware that Tom Sneddon(The District Attorney) was caught planting evidence during the trial? That he claimed Michael showed Gavin a particular porn magazine, however, the magazine hadn't been published yet? Along with him calling for anyone who had been abused by Michael to come forward and no one came forward. These are things you are neglecting either by not researching or simply just ignoring it because you are set in your beliefs, which is absolutely fine, just remember that there are independent information that there that present actual facts about the case, the allegations, and the motives behind the families who pushed their kids to exploit Michael.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 18, 2015 15:15:26 GMT -5
Can you draw the distinguishing features on a specific penis?
I don't really believe everything the media has presented. Could I also say you believe everything his apologists say? I never said Michael had kiddie porn, I personally don't believe he'd be that dumb. I said the same article, the first article that every follow up article quoted, that said Michael was circumcised, also said he had kiddie porn. So either you believe the Smoking Gun article is credible or you don't. Yes I am aware of a lot of the misconduct, on both sides. I have also heard experts on both sides. I am not neglecting anything, like you I am choosing which side is probably closer to the truth.
I brought up the doctor because the theme to me seems familiar. Jackson was just an innocent victim to his family, fans and friends and didn't really have drug problems. It was the doctor's fault, the studio's fault, the touring companies fault that he had to Elvis himself through day to days.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 18, 2015 20:55:01 GMT -5
Can you draw the distinguishing features on a specific penis? I don't really believe everything the media has presented. Could I also say you believe everything his apologists say? I never said Michael had kiddie porn, I personally don't believe he'd be that dumb. I said the same article, the first article that every follow up article quoted, that said Michael was circumcised, also said he had kiddie porn. So either you believe the Smoking Gun article is credible or you don't. Yes I am aware of a lot of the misconduct, on both sides. I have also heard experts on both sides. I am not neglecting anything, like you I am choosing which side is probably closer to the truth. I brought up the doctor because the theme to me seems familiar. Jackson was just an innocent victim to his family, fans and friends and didn't really have drug problems. It was the doctor's fault, the studio's fault, the touring companies fault that he had to Elvis himself through day to days. I am sure I could draw a penis with certain features without having seen it. Michael had vitiligo and I am sure it doesn't take much imagination to draw a penis, then more or less include blotches as well. The "kid porn" you speak of is a book from the set of the film "Lord of the Flies". It includes pictures of the kids naked, Michael, inside the book wrote "This to me is the perfect example of childhood." The pictures showed the kids running around carefree and innocent. Elton John also has that same book too, believe it or not, many celebrities and artists collect books, statues, and other forms of pictures that depict children in that particular state because it's considered art. Once again I am not saying Michael never made a mistake, never said he was perfect, and he did make some decisions that hurt him in some ways. But to say he wasn't ever a victim is nonsense. He was a victim for people to easily exploit. By being trusting, loving, and kind hearted he opened himself up to be used and accused of crimes that were completly false in my opinion. My friend thought like you and once he researched it he said "He made some choices that hurt him. But I see him as a man who had a big heart and wanted to help everyone, which ended up hurting hm in the long run." Now if it was ME and I was accused of something like that? I do agree I wouldn't put myself in a position to be accused again. Once again he didn't view what he was doing as wrong, weird, or scary so he had children spend the night at his house and sleep in his two story duplex. Michael grew up poor and slept with his brothers and sisters in one bed, in his mind, he didn't think it was weird because that's how he grew up. The reality of all of this is that regardless of who or what you believe, you had a man who was talented, rich, and very easy to exploit because of his eccentric nature. Then you have families who had ulterior motives, desperate for money, media attention, and so forth. I truly and honestly don't believe Michael was a pedophile, a child molester, or a creepy man that the media and a lot of people like paint him out to be. I firmly believe he was a lonely man who was hurt by the abuse from his father, missed out on what normal children got to do, and he surrouned himself with kids because they didn't want anything out of him. They accepted him how he was and he accepted them for what they were.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Mar 18, 2015 21:39:29 GMT -5
... how the hell did this turn into a thread about describing Jacko's todger?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 18, 2015 21:40:25 GMT -5
Well, I regret clicking on this topic.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 18, 2015 22:51:58 GMT -5
I am sure I could draw a penis with certain features without having seen it. Michael had vitiligo and I am sure it doesn't take much imagination to draw a penis, then more or less include blotches as well. The "kid porn" you speak of is a book from the set of the film "Lord of the Flies". It includes pictures of the kids naked, Michael, inside the book wrote "This to me is the perfect example of childhood." The pictures showed the kids running around carefree and innocent. Elton John also has that same book too, believe it or not, many celebrities and artists collect books, statues, and other forms of pictures that depict children in that particular state because it's considered art. Once again I am not saying Michael never made a mistake, never said he was perfect, and he did make some decisions that hurt him in some ways. But to say he wasn't ever a victim is nonsense. He was a victim for people to easily exploit. By being trusting, loving, and kind hearted he opened himself up to be used and accused of crimes that were completly false in my opinion. My friend thought like you and once he researched it he said "He made some choices that hurt him. But I see him as a man who had a big heart and wanted to help everyone, which ended up hurting hm in the long run." Now if it was ME and I was accused of something like that? I do agree I wouldn't put myself in a position to be accused again. Once again he didn't view what he was doing as wrong, weird, or scary so he had children spend the night at his house and sleep in his two story duplex. Michael grew up poor and slept with his brothers and sisters in one bed, in his mind, he didn't think it was weird because that's how he grew up. The reality of all of this is that regardless of who or what you believe, you had a man who was talented, rich, and very easy to exploit because of his eccentric nature. Then you have families who had ulterior motives, desperate for money, media attention, and so forth. I truly and honestly don't believe Michael was a pedophile, a child molester, or a creepy man that the media and a lot of people like paint him out to be. I firmly believe he was a lonely man who was hurt by the abuse from his father, missed out on what normal children got to do, and he surrouned himself with kids because they didn't want anything out of him. They accepted him how he was and he accepted them for what they were. As I said I don't believe he had the den of depravity. I didn't speak of the kid porn. The article that mentioned the circumcision did. They took the mention of art books and made it into kiddie porn. They took the redacted transripts and assumed their was mention of Michael's circumcision. This is why there is divisions in belief. Each side has to choose which stories to believe and draw their own conclusions. Do you believe Robson was telling the truth on the stand or later when he became a father and changed his story and claimed he was molested. Do you believe La Toya's first statements that he was guilty or her changed story that he wasn't? Do you believe Pellicano has nothing to lose now so is exposing the truth or do you believe he is just trying to take people down with him? The reality of all of this is that regardless of who or what you believe, you had a man who was talented, rich, and very easy to exploit people because of the money and entourage who depended on him. Then you his family and friends who had ulterior motives, desperate for money, media attention, and so forth. I truly and honestly do believe Michael was an autohebephile, a child molester, and creepy man that the media and a lot of people like paint him out to be. I firmly believe he was a lonely man who was hurt by the abuse from his father, missed out on what normal children got to do, and he surrouned himself with kids because he couldn't identify with adults on a normal level including sexually. They reminded him of what he wanted to be and he accepted them for what they were at the time. Here's a two part in depth analysis that pretty much follows my train of thought. www.science20.com/j_michael_bailey/was_michael_jackson_pedophile
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