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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Mar 21, 2015 16:31:21 GMT -5
Maybe because not everyone r esponds to death/tragedy the same way that you do. Grief is a complex thing. This isn't an issue of "growing up" I'm sorry but that's rubbish. 'Grief' doesn't compell anyone to watch a video and then post an analysis of point of death. Do you have an advanced degree in mental health or trauma counseling experience? I do. You are wrong.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Mar 21, 2015 16:36:08 GMT -5
Just saw the footage.
So bizarre that such a harmless looking move caused such a tragic event..
I didn't know the guy but rest in peace none the less.
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Post by AtomSmasher on Mar 21, 2015 16:38:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry but that's rubbish. 'Grief' doesn't compell anyone to watch a video and then post an analysis of point of death. Do you have an advanced degree in mental health or trauma counseling experience? I do. You are wrong. I don't. But I do have a degree of common sense. But if you think its acceptable to post what amounts to speculation about someone's death on a board then fine. We'll have to agree to disagree....
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 21, 2015 16:52:37 GMT -5
Do you have an advanced degree in mental health or trauma counseling experience? I do. You are wrong. I don't. But I do have a degree of common sense. But if you think its acceptable to post what amounts to speculation about someone's death on a board then fine. We'll have to agree to disagree.... NOT. THE. PLACE. All of you involved in this back and forth, take it to PM or take yourselves off this board.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Mar 21, 2015 17:10:14 GMT -5
It bothers me to no end that they actually tried to keep working the match while Aguayo was severely and very noticeably injured.
There's a man in the ring severely injured and not moving. The need to get your shit in should be null and void.
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Post by Speedy Cerviche on Mar 21, 2015 17:15:14 GMT -5
It bothers me to no end that they actually tried to keep working the match while Aguayo was severely and very noticeably injured. There's a man in the ring severely injured and not moving. The need to get your shit in should be null and void. I watched the video and those were my thoughts too, along with scratching my head at the questionable medical response. It's bush league as hell.
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Post by mute09 on Mar 21, 2015 17:23:09 GMT -5
It bothers me to no end that they actually tried to keep working the match while Aguayo was severely and very noticeably injured. There's a man in the ring severely injured and not moving. The need to get your shit in should be null and void. I watched the video and those were my thoughts too, along with scratching my head at the questionable medical response. It's bush league as hell. I agree with this for the most part almost completely but how many times have you seen wrestlers just knocked out in a match? I would HOPE to believe that is what they thought was wrong if so there's somewhat of an understanding as to why the match was not stopped for a short time until they realized it was much more serious. As far as medical there's no excuse whatever was wrong with him it was noticeable therefore the doctor should have been over there.
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Post by Chip Chipperson on Mar 21, 2015 17:25:20 GMT -5
I watched the video and I had a couple of thoughts.
- I'm not a doctor but isn't it common place that if someone suffers any type of spinal or neck injury that they are not to be moved? I know that Konnan probably didn't know what was going on and don't really know the time of death (Time of death doesn't interest me) but could Konnan have possible made the injury worse or was he gone before Konnan got to him? Definitely not blaming Konnan he's not a doctor either and walked him all the way to the ambulance but there could be something there
- Medical response was incredibly slow. Again, I'm not a doctor but perhaps if they had a doctor at ringside always then you could have possibly saved this mans life. It's hard to judge in a situation like this but it's something to think about at least.
- I feel terrible for Rey, Manik, Tigre and everyone else involved in the match. I also feel bad for a lot of wrestlers in general who will probably have this in the back of their heads for awhile.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 17:28:17 GMT -5
I want to believe most thought he was just knocked out, but yeah, they shouldn't have been shaking him like that.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Mar 21, 2015 17:32:41 GMT -5
On not having a doctor or medical kit at ringside, according to some reports on the various sites covering this I've seen, they had an injury (not sure if real or kayfabe) from a match or two prior that caused all of that to be in the back. Once they got him to the back, the doctor took over and sent him to the hospital where he was pronounced dead much later in the night.
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Post by mute09 on Mar 21, 2015 17:33:45 GMT -5
I watched the video and I had a couple of thoughts. - I'm not a doctor but isn't it common place that if someone suffers any type of spinal or neck injury that they are not to be moved? I know that Konnan probably didn't know what was going on and don't really know the time of death (Time of death doesn't interest me) but could Konnan have possible made the injury worse or was he gone before Konnan got to him? Definitely not blaming Konnan he's not a doctor either and walked him all the way to the ambulance but there could be something there - Medical response was incredibly slow. Again, I'm not a doctor but perhaps if they had a doctor at ringside always then you could have possibly saved this mans life. It's hard to judge in a situation like this but it's something to think about at least. - I feel terrible for Rey, Manik, Tigre and everyone else involved in the match. I also feel bad for a lot of wrestlers in general who will probably have this in the back of their heads for awhile. Everything I have read stated konann noticed he wasn't breathing which is why he notified the doctor. So in saying that I would assume he was probably gone by the time he even got to him. And the 619 is probably what ended any chance of him being save as Rey missed him mostly but he did rock him pretty hard with it aswell
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Post by phen0m2112 on Mar 21, 2015 17:38:03 GMT -5
linkApparently the State's Prosecutor's Office is opening an investigation into possible manslaughter. I can't see Rey being charged personally, but charges against the promotion?....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 17:54:37 GMT -5
If there was a case for manslaughter, it would be that the match wasn't stopped when it became apparent that the guy was KO'd. The wrestlers just look confused. Understandably so, because there's nothing obvious that would suggest there's really anything wrong with Aguayo until after Rey does the 619, which didn't even connect.
The two things that bother me most are 1) Why doesn't the referee do anything more than walk up and poke at Aguayo after Rey alerts him that there's something wrong? 2) What's with Konnan shaking him when it was clear that he was knocked out? I'm sure there was no intention to hurt the guy, but that should have been a no brainer.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 21, 2015 17:58:39 GMT -5
linkApparently the State's Prosecutor's Office is opening an investigation into possible manslaughter. I can't see Rey being charged personally, but charges against the promotion?.... Don't know about Mexican law but there could be some kind of Wrongful Death suit.
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Post by Muskrat on Mar 21, 2015 18:11:00 GMT -5
2) What's with Konnan shaking him when it was clear that he was knocked out? I'm sure there was no intention to hurt the guy, but that should have been a no brainer. Only watched the clip once, but the way I saw it was that Konnan was frantically trying to get him the f*** out of the ring, but because of the way he was draped on the rope he was struggling to push him in, then roll him out due to him being (and I sincerely mean no joke, or disrespect but I can't come up with a better phrase right now) dead weight.
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Post by Speedy Cerviche on Mar 21, 2015 18:16:21 GMT -5
I watched the video and those were my thoughts too, along with scratching my head at the questionable medical response. It's bush league as hell. I agree with this for the most part almost completely but how many times have you seen wrestlers just knocked out in a match? I would HOPE to believe that is what they thought was wrong if so there's somewhat of an understanding as to why the match was not stopped for a short time until they realized it was much more serious. As far as medical there's no excuse whatever was wrong with him it was noticeable therefore the doctor should have been over there. There's no profession I can think of where an unconscious and unresponsive individual's wellbeing and safety isn't prioritised above everything else. In that case, however, continuing the match came first. It's not right and all this shows why it isn't right.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 18:16:36 GMT -5
Twisted Sister drummer AJ Pero has died at the same sort of time too.
Perro and Pero. The world has the most depressing ways to try and make a funny.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Mar 21, 2015 18:19:30 GMT -5
I can't imagine what Rey is feeling right now. This was supposed to be his big return to his roots - a homecoming of sorts - and for all intents and purposes, had he remained with WWE and retired, it never would've happened. Totally not his fault, as it looked to be a freak accident, but still...this is supposed to be where he's back having fun with whatever remains left of his career...enjoying the fruits of his labor. Very tragic for both him and Aguayo Jr (and Konnan from what has been said about his relationship with his family).
Just goes to show you how fragile life is. People have survived being dropped straight on their head, totally botched landings and brutal chairshots, but a routine sequence of moves can spell the end for someone.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Mar 21, 2015 18:47:22 GMT -5
I see a very big lawsuit against the promotion. Not sure about criminal charges.
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Post by Steveweiser on Mar 21, 2015 18:57:49 GMT -5
From my understanding about the situation with the doctor, the wrestler who was injured beforehand had a pretty severe back injury, so he couldn't be moved off the stretcher until the medical services arrived. The doctor was likely tending to him when the incident happened.
In some other very sad news, ESPN Deportes is reporting that Perro Aguayo Sr. has not been informed of his son's death, as he is in seriously bad health himself, and there are fears that he may pass soon as well.
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