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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 9:06:24 GMT -5
And it's not hard to believe 93k was there. But WWE are known liars and exaggerators. I'm more inclined to believe Meltzer, who has nothing to gain from saying this is a lie, saying it was 78k. Especially when you look at the past few Manias that have been held in huge arenas and the crowd doesn't look much different from WM3. Most of those Mania's have had between 70 and 80 thousand too.  The area outside of the white line holds 80,311 and it's FULL. The 78k quote is bullshit.  And, again, the Pope was said to have had 93,000 in attendance as well, 6 months after WM 3. Granted the "known liars and exaggerators" could fit there as well, but when you have a stadium that holds 80,000 excluding the floor seats and the whole damn place is full, believing that it was only 78 thousand is downright foolish. |
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Post by Porky's Butthole on Mar 30, 2015 15:26:22 GMT -5
^and to add a point, if I may...the more recent Manias take off an entire side of the stadium for the entrance wall, so take out about 20,000 or so for that. I totally legit believe that there were 93,000+ in that building that day.
Also, MANIA FIVE?! It was in a casino arena! Of COURSE it didn't look massive.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 30, 2015 16:06:21 GMT -5
Wrestlemania III is still the best looking WM in terms of sheer crowd visuals. That's an amazing sight.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Mar 30, 2015 17:39:47 GMT -5
Simply put: Hogan outdrew the Pope, brother.
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Post by willyjakes on Mar 30, 2015 18:35:56 GMT -5
Wrestlemania III is still the best looking WM in terms of sheer crowd visuals. That's an amazing sight.
One thing I loved about it was when the sun started to set and it had that dusky feel and the constant roar from the crowd, with the big spotlight on the ring and the constant camera flashes from the crowd. That's just never really been replicated.
It was weird, when it began it almost felt like an outdoor event, as illustrated by the picture below
But then it became this dark big stage prize fight spotlight feel
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan on Apr 1, 2015 13:54:04 GMT -5
Yeah, but neither he or Martha would risk perjury charges to maintain a storyline that was almost 5 years old at that point. For all we know Martha didn't know. That and one incident has nothing to do with the other. This is something which Vince would have obviously known and perhaps made him decide that keeping his mouth shut would be better than exposing the screwjob and enforcing the aura of distrust around his whole business. The exposure of his ability to show deceit on that level would have been very bad for his defense in a court case. Besides Bret and Vince no one truly knows anything other than what they've been told... by Bret and Vince. Two honest storytellers if there ever were any... Martha also seems to find it incredibly hard to believe that Owen actually liked doing wrestling, when it's clear that he had a blast doing it, so she doesn't seem to know any better about that stuff. |
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Post by flowercity on Apr 1, 2015 19:33:42 GMT -5
Glad there is so much appreciation for the aesthetics of Wrestlemania III. It is the platonic ideal of wrestling shows in almost every way possible.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Apr 1, 2015 23:31:45 GMT -5
The big one! Eric Bishoff intentionally tanked WCW so he could buy it! It actually makes sense, the second his deal was on the table and almost sown up, the quality of WCW improved massively. This seems like something he'd do. I suspect WWE twice had to scramble to save their WrestleMania main event from being booed entirely. |
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Post by sokratesschmitt on Apr 2, 2015 14:18:33 GMT -5
I've heard the theory that McMahon let/asked Russo go to WCW to be a 'poison pill'... And Hogan to TNA... maybe McMahon has the same kind of deal with CM Punk in an attempt to chip away at the popularity of the UFC? The first attempt was Lesnar (and that failed because the fans accepted him), now Punk... Will we see Santino go to the UFC if the fans accept CM Punk? After watching Wrestlemania... it's more like Steph will be punishing the UFC Crowd with an absolute stinker against Rhonda Rousey in the most expensive 2 Seconds for the average ufc-pay-per-view-buyer ever!  |
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Post by Aceorton on Apr 2, 2015 14:47:21 GMT -5
I totally believe that Snuka caused the injuries that killed his girlfriend and Vince covered.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 2, 2015 14:58:38 GMT -5
The big one! Eric Bishoff intentionally tanked WCW so he could buy it! It actually makes sense, the second his deal was on the table and almost sown up, the quality of WCW improved massively. This seems like something he'd do. He could try something that slick... but as stated He had no control over WCW since late Spring 1999. It really hadn't hit a nose dive yet, more like extremely bumpy and badly booked turbulence. |
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Post by jagilki on Apr 2, 2015 20:06:22 GMT -5
I firmly believe that wrestling may be fixed in some unknown way.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Apr 3, 2015 10:00:08 GMT -5
Marty Jannetty did, in fact, jump through the window of the Barber Shop to escape from Shawn Michaels. What a coward.
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Post by enraged emu on Apr 4, 2015 8:47:11 GMT -5
I don't believe Chris Benoit's brain was as badly damaged as his supporters would have you believe.
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Post by avenger on Apr 4, 2015 13:56:56 GMT -5
And it's not hard to believe 93k was there. But WWE are known liars and exaggerators. I'm more inclined to believe Meltzer, who has nothing to gain from saying this is a lie, saying it was 78k. Especially when you look at the past few Manias that have been held in huge arenas and the crowd doesn't look much different from WM3. Most of those Mania's have had between 70 and 80 thousand too. The area outside of the white line holds 80,311 and it's FULL. The 78k quote is bullshit. And, again, the Pope was said to have had 93,000 in attendance as well, 6 months after WM 3. Granted the "known liars and exaggerators" could fit there as well, but when you have a stadium that holds 80,000 excluding the floor seats and the whole damn place is full, believing that it was only 78 thousand is downright foolish. I don't think anyone doubts that 93,000 were in there, the 78,000 is the suggestion of how many of them paid to get in. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 14:03:10 GMT -5
The area outside of the white line holds 80,311 and it's FULL. The 78k quote is bullshit. And, again, the Pope was said to have had 93,000 in attendance as well, 6 months after WM 3. Granted the "known liars and exaggerators" could fit there as well, but when you have a stadium that holds 80,000 excluding the floor seats and the whole damn place is full, believing that it was only 78 thousand is downright foolish. I don't think anyone doubts that 93,000 were in there, the 78,000 is the suggestion of how many of them paid to get in. No. He said 78 with 75.5 paid. Have a read of this thread. |
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Apr 4, 2015 15:26:44 GMT -5
Rellik is Killer spelled backwards. Can't change my mind on that one.
And although it has never been seen, I still believe that John Cena could lift the Big Show for the AA.
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Post by jmule on Apr 4, 2015 16:30:49 GMT -5
What if savage was telling the truth and Hogan really was lusting for Elizabeth?!
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 5, 2015 3:40:24 GMT -5
Marty Jannetty did, in fact, jump through the window of the Barber Shop to escape from Shawn Michaels. What a coward.  I'll have you thrown outta here in a minute! |
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Post by Marty McFry on Apr 7, 2015 14:04:55 GMT -5
Meltzer cited a source (by name, that I don't recall) that had seen the official paperwork that listed the legit Mania III number. I tend to believe that over any number WWE has put out.
Edit: found it....
"Meltzer: Sure. I remember — it’s funny, because at that time in ’87, I was getting all the gates of all the WWF shows from WWE. And they would say like, “Blah, blah, blah, blah” and they gave me the gate of $1,599,000. And I said, “What was the real attendance?” And I just remember it’s funny because they just said there were 2,300 freebies. But I was never actually told 93,173, and it was sort of like, well, what was the real number. And just kind of the subject was changed. So, I just figured 93,173 was probably the real number. Nobody else had ever questioned it. It wasn’t like anybody came up with a, you know — like now, now every year at WrestleMania they announce a number and six weeks later I get the real number, and it’s 8,000, 10,000, 12,000 different. They make up the number to have the record for the building, even though usually they don’t have the record for the building because they got the big stage. For a football game, you actually can get more people for a football game than you can for a WrestleMania, than if you have a Final Four or something like that at some of these indoor stadiums, where you don’t have the big screens or anything. You draw out far, far more people.
So, the point is, yeah, at that time I didn’t know and it really wasn’t until, God, I don’t know seven or eight years later that I remember this. There had been, and I don’t know if it was E! or somebody who did a True Hollywood Story on Hulk Hogan. And Hogan was out there talking about 93,000, and I got a phone call while I’m watching the show from Zane Bresloff, who promoted that show. And he just goes — and he and Hogan are tight, they were good friends — and he just goes, “God, Hogan probably really believes that number.” And I go, “Isn’t that the real number?” And he goes, “No, of course not!” Because when I was getting numbers from WWE, the numbers, even for the indoor WrestleManias, the numbers that they have on their computers and the numbers that they announce are always different.
But in ‘87, as I told you, they kind of like, in the conversation, I think one of the things is that they didn’t want me to know that number, so they didn’t tell me that number. So, that was my first time, seven or eight years later, because Hogan was already on WCW by then, so it’s probably ‘95, I’m thinking — maybe ‘94, ‘95, ‘96. And he just goes, “No, no the real number is 78,000.” And I go, “Really?” And he goes, “Yeah, we made up 93,000,” because, whatever it was, the Rolling Stones had drawn like 87,000 or something like that. Maybe the Rolling Stones was after it, but they knew it was coming.
But there was the pope and the Rolling Stones and them, so they’ve created a number that neither of those groups could have and nobody could have because you couldn’t get that many people in the building. So it was a number that was created before the show ever started and it was a number — I mean, they did sell out. The sellout was real. And the truth of the matter is, that if the building was big enough to where they could put 93,000 in, they really would have. But you could say that about a lot of WrestleManias. Of all the WrestleManias, the one that would have put the most people in the building was the one at the Astrodome with Rock and Austin, because that one, they sold out every ticket as soon as they put tickets on sale. Whereas this WrestleMania, you know, they might have sold 20,000 tickets the first week at the Pontiac Silverdome, the WrestleMania with Rock and Austin, they sold like, I don’t know what it was, like maybe 50,000 tickets the first day. You can’t even compare the two. That one would have sold the most.
But the Astrodome was smaller than the Silverdome, so they didn’t get as many people in. But anyway, since then I’ve talked to many people there, and I’ve talked to Vince about it once. And he said, “The numbers that we give you are the real numbers, and the numbers that we say on television are for entertainment purposes only.” And that was the answer. So, it’s for entertainment purposes only, that number, so they could claim the record. You know for a long time they would claim the largest indoor, whatever, the largest indoor sport crowd in the history of the world or something. So, they claimed that for a while and everything. But that was the story behind that. I mean the fact is, like I said, they probably could have got, I don’t know how many people, maybe a 100,000 there. They probably could have gotten 120,000 there maybe for the Austin match. But who knows? No one really knows because they filled up the stadium, that’s all you can say. And how many extra they would have gotten, no one really knows"
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