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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Mar 30, 2015 23:59:51 GMT -5
Yeah the goalposts are clearly being moved. Reigns put on a great match against Bryan, another with Lesnar. He didn't get the title, he's basically on the same level as Orton and Ryback. Nope keep on hijacking segments as if he's a bad wrestler and he didn't spend over a year in the shield destroying main eventers and having amazing matches. Just give Ambrose and Rollins all the credit. Now suddenly instead of 'he can't put on good matches and isn't ready to main event' (since he clearly can and does), its 'he needs to turn heel'. Its like we are just in 2006 again and its just nonstop 'Cena is a terrible wrestler who needs to turn heel and get away from the title'. Except Reigns doesn't even HAVE the title, and may not even be the next one to get it. Rollins has the title for 30 hours, give the guy a bit of a run with it before you ruin Rollins as a heel by cheering him, just because he's not Reigns. I believe that some feel that if they can destroy Reign's career it will somehow be a strike at Vince instead of realizing it is simply destroying someone's career who doesn't deserve it and it will not effect Vince at all as he will simply place another gear into the machine. Unfortunately many will refuse to give him a chance no matter how much he improves.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 31, 2015 0:01:51 GMT -5
Yeah the goalposts are clearly being moved. Reigns put on a great match against Bryan, another with Lesnar. He didn't get the title, he's basically on the same level as Orton and Ryback. Nope keep on hijacking segments as if he's a bad wrestler and he didn't spend over a year in the shield destroying main eventers and having amazing matches. Just give Ambrose and Rollins all the credit. Now suddenly instead of 'he can't put on good matches and isn't ready to main event' (since he clearly can and does), its 'he needs to turn heel'. Its like we are just in 2006 again and its just nonstop 'Cena is a terrible wrestler who needs to turn heel and get away from the title'. Except Reigns doesn't even HAVE the title, and may not even be the next one to get it. Rollins has the title for 30 hours, give the guy a bit of a run with it before you ruin Rollins as a heel by cheering him, just because he's not Reigns. Sometimes a guy is just an overpushed douchebag who needs to be booed. Roman Reigns isn't the overpushed douchebag who needs to be booed we deserve, he's the overpushed douchebag who needs to be booed we need right now.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 31, 2015 0:04:49 GMT -5
Yeah the goalposts are clearly being moved. Reigns put on a great match against Bryan, another with Lesnar. He didn't get the title, he's basically on the same level as Orton and Ryback. Nope keep on hijacking segments as if he's a bad wrestler and he didn't spend over a year in the shield destroying main eventers and having amazing matches. Just give Ambrose and Rollins all the credit. Now suddenly instead of 'he can't put on good matches and isn't ready to main event' (since he clearly can and does), its 'he needs to turn heel'. Its like we are just in 2006 again and its just nonstop 'Cena is a terrible wrestler who needs to turn heel and get away from the title'. Except Reigns doesn't even HAVE the title, and may not even be the next one to get it. Rollins has the title for 30 hours, give the guy a bit of a run with it before you ruin Rollins as a heel by cheering him, just because he's not Reigns. Furthermore, there will be another Roman where they came from, and another, and another. When Mr. Kennedy and Lashley fell short, did WWE just stop trying?
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Post by Rolent Tex on Mar 31, 2015 0:06:33 GMT -5
Yeah the goalposts are clearly being moved. Reigns put on a great match against Bryan, another with Lesnar. He didn't get the title, he's basically on the same level as Orton and Ryback. Nope keep on hijacking segments as if he's a bad wrestler and he didn't spend over a year in the shield destroying main eventers and having amazing matches. Just give Ambrose and Rollins all the credit. Now suddenly instead of 'he can't put on good matches and isn't ready to main event' (since he clearly can and does), its 'he needs to turn heel'. Its like we are just in 2006 again and its just nonstop 'Cena is a terrible wrestler who needs to turn heel and get away from the title'. Except Reigns doesn't even HAVE the title, and may not even be the next one to get it. Rollins has the title for 30 hours, give the guy a bit of a run with it before you ruin Rollins as a heel by cheering him, just because he's not Reigns. Sometimes a guy is just an overpushed douchebag who needs to be booed. Roman Reigns isn't the overpushed douchebag who needs to be booed we deserve, he's the overpushed douchebag who needs to be booed we need right now. Why's he a douchebag? Did he kick your dog or hit on your mom? Inquisiting minds need to know.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 31, 2015 0:09:02 GMT -5
Sometimes a guy is just an overpushed douchebag who needs to be booed. Roman Reigns isn't the overpushed douchebag who needs to be booed we deserve, he's the overpushed douchebag who needs to be booed we need right now. Why's he a douchebag? Did he kick your dog or hit on your mom? Inquisiting minds need to know. Sometimes something just is douchey. Big Dog BELEE DAT babygirl Roman Reigns is one of those things. Another thing Big Dog BELEE DAT babygirl Roman Reigns is, is a trainwreck. It did gives an argument on the level of "I'm invisible when no one's looking", in that "Dude he's really over on the house shows". Furthermore, there will be another Roman where they came from, and another, and another. When Mr. Kennedy and Lashley fell short, did WWE just stop trying? Just earlier today I was texting my friend saying they dodged a bullet with Reigns just as they did with Lashley and Kennedy, in terms of a failed experiment that was prevented from reaching its logical disastrous conclusion.
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Post by deancubed on Mar 31, 2015 0:10:55 GMT -5
Why's he a douchebag? Did he kick your dog or hit on your mom? Inquisiting minds need to know. Sometimes something just is douchey. Big Dog BELEE DAT babygirl Roman Reigns is one of those things. Another thing Big Dog BELEE DAT babygirl Roman Reigns is, is a trainwreck. It did gives an argument on the level of "I'm invisible when no one's looking", in that "Dude he's really over on the house shows". Yes, sometimes something IS just douchey.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Mar 31, 2015 0:11:35 GMT -5
Yeah the goalposts are clearly being moved. Reigns put on a great match against Bryan, another with Lesnar. He didn't get the title, he's basically on the same level as Orton and Ryback. Nope keep on hijacking segments as if he's a bad wrestler and he didn't spend over a year in the shield destroying main eventers and having amazing matches. Just give Ambrose and Rollins all the credit. Now suddenly instead of 'he can't put on good matches and isn't ready to main event' (since he clearly can and does), its 'he needs to turn heel'. Its like we are just in 2006 again and its just nonstop 'Cena is a terrible wrestler who needs to turn heel and get away from the title'. Except Reigns doesn't even HAVE the title, and may not even be the next one to get it. Rollins has the title for 30 hours, give the guy a bit of a run with it before you ruin Rollins as a heel by cheering him, just because he's not Reigns. I never laid down any goalposts for Reigns. There wasn't some big meeting with everyone who dislikes Reigns saying that if he had a good match and stopped cutting fairytale promos that we'd all agree to cheer him. Look, it's not hijacking just because you don't agree with the reactions he's getting. When Reigns appears, he gets booed because a lot of people don't like him. It's as simple as. It has nothing to do with Ambrose or Rollins or even Bryan. It comes from people not thinking he's very good. If Ambrose magically got Reigns' push through osmosis, I wouldn't suddenly like Reigns. If you like Reigns and are all good with his position on the card, then all power to ya. But some people just flat out are not a fan of the guy. So you need to deal with it and move on and stop trying to change people's opinions.
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Post by bigjohnsons on Mar 31, 2015 0:13:43 GMT -5
Can you really blame Roman ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 0:20:33 GMT -5
Sometimes a guy is just an overpushed douchebag who needs to be booed. Roman Reigns isn't the overpushed douchebag who needs to be booed we deserve, he's the overpushed douchebag who needs to be booed we need right now. Why's he a douchebag? Did he kick your dog or hit on your mom? Inquisiting minds need to know. Because people are bigger marks than they think. That's why. Fans have gotten so used to that bootlicking dweeb Cena responding to critics like "It's totally cool for you to hate me because that's your right and I love this business, yadda yadda yadda", that when Reigns sarcastically bites back at his own critics, they take it personally. Just as planned.
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Post by deancubed on Mar 31, 2015 0:32:17 GMT -5
Yeah the goalposts are clearly being moved. Reigns put on a great match against Bryan, another with Lesnar. He didn't get the title, he's basically on the same level as Orton and Ryback. Nope keep on hijacking segments as if he's a bad wrestler and he didn't spend over a year in the shield destroying main eventers and having amazing matches. Just give Ambrose and Rollins all the credit. Now suddenly instead of 'he can't put on good matches and isn't ready to main event' (since he clearly can and does), its 'he needs to turn heel'. Its like we are just in 2006 again and its just nonstop 'Cena is a terrible wrestler who needs to turn heel and get away from the title'. Except Reigns doesn't even HAVE the title, and may not even be the next one to get it. Rollins has the title for 30 hours, give the guy a bit of a run with it before you ruin Rollins as a heel by cheering him, just because he's not Reigns. I never laid down any goalposts for Reigns. There wasn't some big meeting with everyone who dislikes Reigns saying that if he had a good match and stopped cutting fairytale promos that we'd all agree to cheer him. Look, it's not hijacking just because you don't agree with the reactions he's getting. When Reigns appears, he gets booed because a lot of people don't like him. It's as simple as. It has nothing to do with Ambrose or Rollins or even Bryan. It comes from people not thinking he's very good. If Ambrose magically got Reigns' push through osmosis, I wouldn't suddenly like Reigns. If you like Reigns and are all good with his position on the card, then all power to ya. But some people just flat out are not a fan of the guy. So you need to deal with it and move on and stop trying to change people's opinions. Dislike whoever you want, but he's NOT a bad wrestler so don't dislike him for that reason, he's NOT a rookie so don't dislike him for that reason, and he's going to be employed by WWE for a very long time. You need to deal with it and move on. Reigns gets booed because he's an attractive hoss that doesn't have a submission style, and it became too obvious that the WWE staff really liked him and saw potential. Unfortunately for Reigns that meant Vince taking too much control over his push, and Vince just doesn't understand that crowds will never embrace attractive hosses when a smaller more technical wrestler with charisma is available. Vince also doesn't understand comedy. Reigns just was the right guy at the right place at the wrong time.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Mar 31, 2015 0:46:49 GMT -5
I never laid down any goalposts for Reigns. There wasn't some big meeting with everyone who dislikes Reigns saying that if he had a good match and stopped cutting fairytale promos that we'd all agree to cheer him. Look, it's not hijacking just because you don't agree with the reactions he's getting. When Reigns appears, he gets booed because a lot of people don't like him. It's as simple as. It has nothing to do with Ambrose or Rollins or even Bryan. It comes from people not thinking he's very good. If Ambrose magically got Reigns' push through osmosis, I wouldn't suddenly like Reigns. If you like Reigns and are all good with his position on the card, then all power to ya. But some people just flat out are not a fan of the guy. So you need to deal with it and move on and stop trying to change people's opinions. Dislike whoever you want, but he's NOT a bad wrestler so don't dislike him for that reason, he's NOT a rookie so don't dislike him for that reason, and he's going to be employed by WWE for a very long time. You need to deal with it and move on. Reigns gets booed because he's an attractive hoss that doesn't have a submission style, and it became too obvious that the WWE staff really liked him and saw potential. Unfortunately for Reigns that meant Vince taking too much control over his push, and Vince just doesn't understand that crowds will never embrace attractive hosses when a smaller more technical wrestler with chariama is available. Vince also doesn't understand comedy. Reigns just was the right guy at the right place at the wrong time. Whether he's a bad wrestler or not is subjective. I don't think he's a bad wrestler, but he's not very good either. He had one good match with Bryan and one well booked beating at the hands of Brock. That's how I view it and I'm allowed to feel that way. The rookie thing isn't an issue for me. If I like him, I like him. No matter how long he's been on the roster. I need to deal with it and move on? Deal with what? I've accepted Reigns is WWE's next poster boy (at least for now). Doesn't change the way mustard tastes though. I don't rate Reigns, I don't think he's very talented, I think he got a push mostly based on his looks. And I'm going to deal with that by continuing to dislike him and boo him if I'm at a show. I'm not trying to get people to change their minds to hate Reigns, I'm not leading a crusade against him. I'm just expressing my opinion. I just wish people would stop coming up with lame excuses for other people's opinions. For example I don't care about a "submission style". Lots of guys I like don't have that. It's the same when people try to say Reigns is only disliked because he's not from the indies. Which considering some of the "internet darlings" these days, is f***ing ridiculous.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Mar 31, 2015 0:54:01 GMT -5
I need to deal with it and move on? Deal with what? I've accepted Reigns is WWE's next poster boy (at least for now). Doesn't change the way mustard tastes though. I don't rate Reigns, I don't think he's very talented, I think he got a push mostly based on his looks. And I'm going to deal with that by continuing to dislike him and boo him if I'm at a show. I'm not trying to get people to change their minds to hate Reigns, I'm not leading a crusade against him. I'm just expressing my opinion. I respect that opinion, not everyone will like or agree on the same thing. A valid question would be, what does WWE (or Roman) need to do to win you over as a fan?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 31, 2015 0:54:13 GMT -5
Is "Don't hate Roman pls" threads going to be the new bi-monthly "Don't hate Cena plssss" threads?
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Post by deancubed on Mar 31, 2015 0:57:06 GMT -5
Dislike whoever you want, but he's NOT a bad wrestler so don't dislike him for that reason, he's NOT a rookie so don't dislike him for that reason, and he's going to be employed by WWE for a very long time. You need to deal with it and move on. Reigns gets booed because he's an attractive hoss that doesn't have a submission style, and it became too obvious that the WWE staff really liked him and saw potential. Unfortunately for Reigns that meant Vince taking too much control over his push, and Vince just doesn't understand that crowds will never embrace attractive hosses when a smaller more technical wrestler with chariama is available. Vince also doesn't understand comedy. Reigns just was the right guy at the right place at the wrong time. Whether he's a bad wrestler or not is subjective. I don't think he's a bad wrestler, but he's not very good either. He had one good match with Bryan and one well booked beating at the hands of Brock. That's how I view it and I'm allowed to feel that way. The rookie thing isn't an issue for me. If I like him, I like him. No matter how long he's been on the roster. I need to deal with it and move on? Deal with what? I've accepted Reigns is WWE's next poster boy (at least for now). Doesn't change the way mustard tastes though. I don't rate Reigns, I don't think he's very talented, I think he got a push mostly based on his looks. And I'm going to deal with that by continuing to dislike him and boo him if I'm at a show. I'm not trying to get people to change their minds to hate Reigns, I'm not leading a crusade against him. I'm just expressing my opinion. I just wish people would stop coming up with lame excuses for other people's opinions. For example I don't care about a "submission style". Lots of guys I like don't have that. It's the same when people try to say Reigns is only disliked because he's not from the indies. Which considering some of the "internet darlings" these days, is f***ing ridiculous. I'm not actually talking about you in particular. Im trying to generalize so of course not everything i say will apply to you directly. You were the one telling me to move on. It rubs me the wrong way when you tell me what I can and can't say on a discussion forum on the internet, I'm a grownass man. As for the reasons why Reigns is booed In General, I'm completely right, and its not fair to Reigns and its not fair to the guys trying to be heels but getting cheered around Reigns, basically throwing him under the bus because they are actually sick of Cena or miss Bryan or miss Punk or just don't like guys their girlfriends think are hot. The same thing happened with Cena, the same thing happened when Orton was a face pre-Daniel Bryan Era, and the same thing happened to any big muscley dude that dirt sheets reported Vince likes. I'm actually a Ryback guy, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 1:03:27 GMT -5
Last night at Mania was the first time he seemed worthy of what they're giving him. He put on a great match, showed some character and mixed up his usual bag of tricks. So that has me interested. But tonight was more of the same. What would have made me happy tonight was him showing some frustration. Ideally, I would have liked to see him go to Orton and ask to be his tag partner and have Orton be all "Uh, no. We're not suddenly going to get along because I don't like the authority." Roman broods and is angry and actually says that win or lose last night he should have been able to do it on his own terms. Orton blows him off, Orton can't find another partner, him and Ryback get overwhelmed only for Roman to charge down to the ring and ask for a tag from Orton. Orton does it, Roman cleans house and gets the win. Begruding looks of respect from both dude's, little nod of thanks from Orton.
The crowd might have shit all over it. They would have had trouble regardless, but I think it would have been nice to have Roman say he was robbed and show that it actually frustrated him. And it would have shown he's willing to work with a former enemy to get Rollins, as well as that he can be the bigger man and move past issues with Orton if need be. Little stuff like that is what I love in wrestling.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Mar 31, 2015 1:03:34 GMT -5
I need to deal with it and move on? Deal with what? I've accepted Reigns is WWE's next poster boy (at least for now). Doesn't change the way mustard tastes though. I don't rate Reigns, I don't think he's very talented, I think he got a push mostly based on his looks. And I'm going to deal with that by continuing to dislike him and boo him if I'm at a show. I'm not trying to get people to change their minds to hate Reigns, I'm not leading a crusade against him. I'm just expressing my opinion. I respect that opinion, not everyone will like or agree on the same thing. A valid question would be, what does WWE (or Roman) need to do to win you over as a fan? To quote Kane, he needs to 'embrace the hate'. A heel turn would accomplish so many things for Roman. And he'd be a much stronger face down the line when he turns again. To be blunt, WWE suck at booking faces. They do. Even guys like Daniel Bryan. But look at the heel booking. Seth Rollins has been booked incredibly well, he's been able to show personality and character, and he's over and respected because of it. That's what Reigns needs. It's almost comical that WWE did the right thing for Rocky Maivia 20 years ago but can't see that doing the same for Roman Reigns right now would help tremendously.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 31, 2015 1:10:08 GMT -5
I respect that opinion, not everyone will like or agree on the same thing. A valid question would be, what does WWE (or Roman) need to do to win you over as a fan? To quote Kane, he needs to 'embrace the hate'. A heel turn would accomplish so many things for Roman. And he'd be a much stronger face down the line when he turns again. To be blunt, WWE suck at booking faces. They do. Even guys like Daniel Bryan. But look at the heel booking. Seth Rollins has been booked incredibly well, he's been able to show personality and character, and he's over and respected because of it. That's what Reigns needs. It's almost comical that WWE did the right thing for Rocky Maivia 20 years ago but can't see that doing the same for Roman Reigns right now would help tremendously. What I love is how consistent they've been at f***ing up the Rumble. THE RUMBLE~! 2010- Edge, who gives a f***! 2011- Alberto, A grade talent, post Feb 2011 WWE forgot why he's so great. 2012- Sheamus, lol. 2013- Cena, lol. 2014- Batista, lol. 2015- ROMANREIGNSBABYGIRL, lol. Yet you know we'll be all pumped come January 2016 because It's The Rumble.
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Post by Speedy Cerviche on Mar 31, 2015 1:17:00 GMT -5
Nah. I'm not sure whether it's just his character or his actual self, but in interviews he often comes across like an insufferable douchebag. Not an entertaining douchebag. I really can't get behind someone like that.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Mar 31, 2015 1:17:44 GMT -5
I respect that opinion, not everyone will like or agree on the same thing. A valid question would be, what does WWE (or Roman) need to do to win you over as a fan? To quote Kane, he needs to 'embrace the hate'. A heel turn would accomplish so many things for Roman. And he'd be a much stronger face down the line when he turns again. To be blunt, WWE suck at booking faces. They do. Even guys like Daniel Bryan. But look at the heel booking. Seth Rollins has been booked incredibly well, he's been able to show personality and character, and he's over and respected because of it. That's what Reigns needs. It's almost comical that WWE did the right thing for Rocky Maivia 20 years ago but can't see that doing the same for Roman Reigns right now would help tremendously. I totally agree with you on that angle. One problem I find WWE has is that they are trying to create the next Rock or Stone Cold instead of just letting guys grow into a character. Bryan is super over now because for the most part he is playing himself. That yes character isn't much different than the Bryan you hear on interviews. Fans latched on to his personality and ran with it. I think it would benefit Reigns if they would let him grow the same way.
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Mar 31, 2015 1:33:42 GMT -5
I'm ready to give Reigns a second chance. My issue was never with Reigns himself - I just HATED the Mary Sue-level push he was getting.
I think one of Reigns' problems is that he just can't get away from the Local Men. Roman held up his end of the bargain against Orton. Roman held up his end of the bargain against Bryan. Roman held up MORE than his end with Lesnar. But every time he faces off with Kane or Show, the whole match just becomes a borefest and a charisma vacuum. It really does feel like he's facing off with Kane and/or Show every week in a tag or a 6 man. One of the things I really do hope for is that, now with Rollins as champ, Seth and Roman can start having longer matches on the house show circuit so Roman can get adjusted to working longer matches and have to mix up his arsenal.
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