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Post by SUPES on Apr 15, 2015 18:04:17 GMT -5
Today's Observer:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 18:13:36 GMT -5
I still wonder how TNA stays in business.
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Post by chrom on Apr 15, 2015 18:31:17 GMT -5
So basically TNA has put all their eggs in the basket once again (like with Hogan) and have wound up with a bunch of scrambled eggs.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Apr 15, 2015 18:42:06 GMT -5
On the positive side, their viewing figures in the UK on Challenge have gone up since they moved to Destination America.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 19:37:50 GMT -5
On the positive side, their viewing figures in the UK on Challenge have gone up since they moved to Destination America. British viewers love them some Batsquatch!
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Post by Square on Apr 15, 2015 20:21:47 GMT -5
On the positive side, their viewing figures in the UK on Challenge have gone up since they moved to Destination America. By this time next year Challenge will have gone "balls to this" and put money into their own wrestling promotion.
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Post by hargh on Apr 15, 2015 21:04:09 GMT -5
Dixie fiddles while TNA burns.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 15, 2015 21:41:02 GMT -5
Yeah, with Destination America twice spoiling shows with their commercials, I could figure out that they had no idea how to do things.
I'm also hearing that Destination America is really against those Maximum Impact tours because they aren't in the US. All I can say to them is TNA really cannot lose those shows for them.
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Post by chrom on Apr 15, 2015 21:48:13 GMT -5
Yeah, with Destination America twice spoiling shows with their commercials, I could figure out that they had no idea how to do things. I'm also hearing that Destination America is really against those Maximum Impact tours because they aren't in the US. All I can say to them is TNA really cannot lose those shows for them. Yeah I posted that on another thread. They don't want shows that aren't being taped in the US.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 15, 2015 21:49:57 GMT -5
Okay how about this...
I'll admit that at the beginning with Destination America actually advertising TNA (still are while Spike never really did (The ECW-TNN debacle all over again)), I actually thought this would be a good move...but yeah, now I am seeing problems with Destination America that we saw with Spike (ie wanting almost complete control of the product).
The only difference being less viewers, but more of the network actually advertising the show. So I guess TNA is in the same (but yet different) rut they were with Spike.
The biggest problem now for TNA that may doom them in the end is if El Ray & Lucha Underground start supplanting them as the second major wrestling company.
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Post by chrom on Apr 15, 2015 21:53:42 GMT -5
Okay how about this... I'll admit that at the beginning with Destination America actually advertising TNA (still are while Spike never really did (The ECW-TNN debacle all over again)), I actually thought this would be a good move...but yeah, now I am seeing problems with Destination America that we saw with Spike (ie wanting almost complete control of the product). The only difference being less viewers, but more of the network actually advertising the show. So I guess TNA is in the same (but yet different) rut they were with Spike. The biggest problem now for TNA that may doom them in the end is if El Ray & Lucha Underground start supplanting them as the second major wrestling company. Don't start that again, Spike did more for TNA than they had any right to. They treated and advertised them as a major part of their channel until the last two years when they realized it wasn't worth it anymore.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Apr 15, 2015 21:56:16 GMT -5
Okay how about this... I'll admit that at the beginning with Destination America actually advertising TNA (still are while Spike never really did (The ECW-TNN debacle all over again)), I actually thought this would be a good move...but yeah, now I am seeing problems with Destination America that we saw with Spike (ie wanting almost complete control of the product). The only difference being less viewers, but more of the network actually advertising the show. So I guess TNA is in the same (but yet different) rut they were with Spike. The biggest problem now for TNA that may doom them in the end is if El Ray & Lucha Underground start supplanting them as the second major wrestling company. Don't start that again, Spike did more for TNA than they had any right to. They treated and advertised them as a major part of their channel until the last two years when they realized it wasn't worth it anymore. Only time they really advertised TNA was when Hogan was on and that lasted a few months because they had already lost the Monday Night Wars Version 2.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Apr 15, 2015 22:25:01 GMT -5
I had Destination America in my home as well as Spike TV. I could tell you what channel Spike is on, can't tell you DA.
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Post by peter on Apr 15, 2015 23:22:47 GMT -5
I am sick and tired of reading comments from TNA fans about how Spike did nothing for TNA. There's being a mark and there is sticking your head into the ground and being delusional. Spike gave TNA EVERY opportunity to succeed. They gave them 2 hours on Thursdays, gave them Monday nights, paid portions of the high priced contracts of ex-WWE stars and Sting, 3 months or so of weekly live shows in 2012, etc, etc, etc. And for everything Spike did for them, they are re-paid with being lied to about Russo when they made it clear that he was not to be on board.
As soon as the DA deal goes south, these same marks will then claim that DA did nothing for them as well. I have read this week already from these idiots about how Taz is being unprofessional by not showing up for voiceovers and how it's "normal" for companies to be late to pay it's employees. FFS, these people will stoop to any level to still defend this shit company.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 15, 2015 23:27:56 GMT -5
TNA can move wherever they want. The problem remains constant. Dixie Carter.
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Post by jimmyjames on Apr 16, 2015 0:40:31 GMT -5
I don't think I'm an apologist for defended TNA going to Destination America because I think that was their only option. They didn't leave Spike, Spike gave them the boot. If there only other option aside from Destination America was WGN starting in April or May, I think they made the right choice. If they had to wait 6-7 months between airing, I don't even think people on here would have remebered them turned into watch, let a lone casual fans.
Of course this news is from the Observer, sao take with a grain of salt.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 16, 2015 1:17:33 GMT -5
Here's the thing with the past/present advertising of TNA and advertising in general. It doesn't matter how many ads you put up or how often you put them up if people don't care. TNA is a YouTube video. People press play but more often than not they: Don't watch the entire video. Don't watch it again. Don't bother to engage with it. Hammer, meet nail. Seriously, f*** this network stuff, that's always always ALWAYS been TNA's main problem. They can't maintain an audience. Yeah ok, you had the same million or so goofballs that watched every week on Spike but that audience never grew despite being on Spike for 8 YEARS. Think about that for a second. Their shows are so dookie most of the time that people flat out stop watching before it's done. That's why there have been more than a few cases where the lowest rated Impact segment was the f***ing main event. That's pathetic. I remember that infamous 10/14/10 Impact that actually had a huge number to start out with (because of Bound For Glory fallout and people genuinely being interested in Jeff Hardy being a singles heel). Every single one of those new viewers? Gone by the end of the show. Just the same million + goofbals that were always around (actually, that's not even true because even some of those people bounced near the end of the Spike run) were left. Say what you will about Raw but I can't even think the last time they went into the overrun and didn't gain viewers, no matter how shit it is. What's sad is, they've burned so many people with their poor product for so long, now that their product isn't horrible, it's like "who could possibly care?"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 2:27:59 GMT -5
On the positive side, their viewing figures in the UK on Challenge have gone up since they moved to Destination America. British wrestling fans show such a staggering (and to be frank weird) amount of loyalty that it's a wonder that a homegrown promotion hasn't got a tv deal yet. There will never be a British WWE but a British TNA/ROH sized promotion would be a license to print money...
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 16, 2015 4:19:22 GMT -5
Always had the feeling with the DA deal that the network were looking for a LOT of that Spike audience to transfer over. Merely having the top rated show wouldn't be enough.
It's a bit like...y'know, I think The Amazing Spiderman 2 is a good example. It made like $700 million, but the Sony execs had hoped for, budgeted for and told shareholders the target was $1 billion. So you get the situation where your movie has made a ton of money, but you were telling everyone it would make more and suddenly there's a shortfall in your numbers.
That seemingly was it for The Amazing Spider Man film trilogy. Makes you wonder about TNA.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 16, 2015 4:39:44 GMT -5
Here's the thing with the past/present advertising of TNA and advertising in general. It doesn't matter how many ads you put up or how often you put them up if people don't care. TNA is a YouTube video. People press play but more often than not they: Don't watch the entire video. Don't watch it again. Don't bother to engage with it. Hammer, meet nail. Seriously, f*** this network stuff, that's always always ALWAYS been TNA's main problem. They can't maintain an audience. Yeah ok, you had the same million or so goofballs that watched every week on Spike but that audience never grew despite being on Spike for 8 YEARS. Think about that for a second. Their shows are so dookie most of the time that people flat out stop watching before it's done. That's why there have been more than a few cases where the lowest rated Impact segment was the f***ing main event. That's pathetic. I remember that infamous 10/14/10 Impact that actually had a huge number to start out with (because of Bound For Glory fallout and people genuinely being interested in Jeff Hardy being a singles heel). Every single one of those new viewers? Gone by the end of the show. Just the same million + goofbals that were always around (actually, that's not even true because even some of those people bounced near the end of the Spike run) were left. Say what you will about Raw but I can't even think the last time they went into the overrun and didn't gain viewers, no matter how shit it is. What's sad is, they've burned so many people with their poor product for so long, now that their product isn't horrible, it's like "who could possibly care?" And it's not even just the TV audience. They killed their live audiences dead as a doornail. There was a time when the Impact Zone was the hottest crowd in wrestling. They were a bit jaded and full of themselves, but those people used to love TNA and would have followed the promotion to the end of the earth. Until they alienated them all by filtering them out when Hogan came in, and then telling them all that they were supposed to be cast members, and they all saw how their loyalty was being returned. Now, the place is pretty much devoid of emotion from bored tourists because no one that actually likes wrestling would dare show up. And it's not just the Impact Zone that died. While TNA's marketing has always left something to be desired, if people did know about TNA events in town, they would show up. PPVs in 08 could draw 3000 in markets from Houston to Toronto to New Jersey, and they could at least get Impact Zone numbers on the road for house shows. As opposed to now, where house shows are non-existent due to lack of demand, and the events that TNA does run pretty much became memes when people would take photographs of near empty arenas. No one believes in this company anymore. The networks don't, the television audience doesn't, the live audiences don't. The talent probably doesn't when it takes two extra weeks to get thier paychecks. Who the hell would?
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