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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 16, 2015 9:50:05 GMT -5
People have different ways of coping with artists doing awful stuff. Some are able to go back to their work and enjoy it in spite of that and some aren't, neither attitude is necessarily wrong.
Like I still have a bunch of Chris Brown and James Brown songs in my playlists, both of them have assaulted women. Doesn't mean I endorse the choices they made, I just enjoy their music. With artists I was generally meh on originally like Benoit (who was a solid wrestler, but never my favorite) it's easier for me to lose interest in them once they've committed a heinous crime.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 16, 2015 9:54:07 GMT -5
Wanna Be In My Gang is catchy, even though Gary Glitter is f***ing deplorable. Whether or not you can separate an artist from their art is a case by case basis. Yeah same thing with Rock and Roll #2 ... though most people don't know that was Glitter... or that's the title of the song  Sometimes you just gotta learn to look past the artist as a person and enjoy the art itself... because unfortunately you'd have a very short list of things that you could enjoy otherwise. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 16, 2015 9:57:22 GMT -5
Wanna Be In My Gang is catchy, even though Gary Glitter is f***ing deplorable. Whether or not you can separate an artist from their art is a case by case basis. Yeah same thing with Rock and Roll #2 ... though most people don't know that was Glitter... or that's the title of the song Sometimes you just gotta learn to look past the artist as a person and enjoy the art itself... because unfortunately you'd have a very short list of things that you could enjoy otherwise. Sometimes, certainly, especially the further back you go, with values dissonance, or how you way certain flaws and faults. People can dream of a white christmas, while willfully forgetting black and blue children. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 16, 2015 10:00:45 GMT -5
Yeah same thing with Rock and Roll #2 ... though most people don't know that was Glitter... or that's the title of the song Sometimes you just gotta learn to look past the artist as a person and enjoy the art itself... because unfortunately you'd have a very short list of things that you could enjoy otherwise. Sometimes, certainly, especially the further back you go, with values dissonance, or how you way certain flaws and faults. People can dream of a white christmas, while willfully forgetting black and blue children. That is nicely stated. and better than me trying to work in a hamfisted Getting Better reference |
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Post by mattyc on Apr 16, 2015 10:01:57 GMT -5
I never really paid much attention to Lostprophets, the only song of theirs that I know well is "Rooftops" and I always thought that was a great song. It's on Rock Band and the WWE also used it for a Jeff Hardy video package.
My opinion on the song hasn't changed, I still think it's good, but the horrific actions of Watkins (who really has to be the lowest of the low) have meant that I've never played the song on Rock Band since and I'd never play it or any other song by the Lostprophets, because whenever I listen to their music I cannot get the thoughts of what Watkins did out of my mind.
That's just me though, and I wouldn't look negatively on anyone who was a fan of the Lostprophets who still gets enjoyment out of their music.
as far as Chris Benoit goes, I don't actively seek out his matches, but if a match of his comes up on an old show that i'm watching (and that happens often) I won't skip it. I can still watch and appreciate his work.
I know this opinion may be controversial but I don't really put Chris Benoit in the same category as an Ian Watkins or Gary Glitter. I'm not a Benoit defender, What Chris Benoit did was terrible and you can consider it an act of madness and/or evil, but I don't believe that Chris Benoit lived the years of his life as an evil person. He wasn't on the same level as a calculated sexual predator who operated for years like Watkins/Glitter, to me it's guys like that who are the definition of true evil.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 10:44:28 GMT -5
I have a harder time watching a Benoit match then listening to that rooftops song. I can't help but to think all those diving head butts, head bumps, and any unprotected chairshot to the head created the tragedy that was about to happen. I find that more disturbing watching a guy slowly killing himself and his family because of those stupid bumps he takes to the head then a truly evil man writing a song about rooftops that didn't make him more or less of a pedophile.
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Post by Essential1 on Apr 16, 2015 10:51:59 GMT -5
I liked Benoits work. It was awful what he did but I can't unlike a good performance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 10:56:08 GMT -5
I have a harder time watching a Benoit match then listening to that rooftops song. I can't help but to think all those diving head butts, head bumps, and any unprotected chairshot to the head created the tragedy that was about to happen. I find that more disturbing watching a guy slowly killing himself and his family because of those stupid bumps he takes to the head then a truly evil man writing a song about rooftops that didn't make him more or less of a pedophile. try watching Lostprophets "a town called hypocrisy" music video on youtube |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 11:01:04 GMT -5
I have a harder time watching a Benoit match then listening to that rooftops song. I can't help but to think all those diving head butts, head bumps, and any unprotected chairshot to the head created the tragedy that was about to happen. I find that more disturbing watching a guy slowly killing himself and his family because of those stupid bumps he takes to the head then a truly evil man writing a song about rooftops that didn't make him more or less of a pedophile. try watching Lostprophets "a town called hypocrisy" music video on youtube Nah brah. I only knew them as that band that sang that Rooftops song they played in all of those awesome Jeff Hardy video packages in 2008. I never heard another song from them before or after the arrest. I have no desire to discover any of their old songs lol. |
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 16, 2015 11:05:16 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm....I am one with whom it's harder to shake thoughts of the person when I try to enjoy their art. And it doesn't have to be because of murder or a crime. Just hearing stories of the artist being an a-hole is often enough. This is why I can't like Diana Ross (nightmare stories of how she treated the other girls) or Nina Simone (she was a big reverse racist, apparently, plus she was mean to Dusty Springfield).
To a lesser extent, there's Bob Barker (great host, TV legend, but backstage politician), Marianne Faithfull (love her post-Broken English music, she was nice to me...but she blocked my friend from Facebook for disagreeing with her politically), and Christina Aguilera (think she's pretty, some good music...but was disappointed about the Mickeygate/DWKWIA? story)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 11:10:11 GMT -5
try watching Lostprophets "a town called hypocrisy" music video on youtube Nah brah. I only knew them as that band that sang that Rooftops song they played in all of those awesome Jeff Hardy video packages in 2008. I never heard another song from them before or after the arrest. I have no desire to discover any of their old songs lol. Basically that video is Ian as the host of a childrens TV show, it's quite disturbing and enough to put anyone off their music. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 16, 2015 11:19:07 GMT -5
The only other song I know of from Lostprophets is Shinobi vs. Dragon Ninja... which is only because I liked the name |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Apr 16, 2015 11:53:24 GMT -5
"Ian Watkins should be in the music Hall of Fame because yeah he did f***ing horrific stuff but he was good at his job and that's more important." See how messed up that logic is? No Where in my original post did I even come close to making an argument for that. So what's your point? I like that one album by the band and they would never be inducted into any hall of fame, regardless of what that douchebag did. Beniot shouldn't be in the WWE HOF either. Nobody in this thread has said anything resembling what you wrote. I know, I wasn't replying directly to you. I was referring to the "put Benoit in the hall of fame" argument that still exists. Form my own perspective, I've found it very difficult to watch Benoit, despite being a big fan of his at the time. Certain things (such as domestic violence etc) can have shades of grey and can be ruled under "mistakes". People can change. In my view, knowingly murdering a child, never mind your own child, is never a shade of grey. |
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Post by Larryhausen on Apr 16, 2015 12:00:42 GMT -5
I listen to a lot of black metal. Which means that a lot of bands I enjoy have murderers, arsonists, racists, and just generally deplorable human beings in their lineups. I've never had any problems whatsoever listening to the music, or watching a Benoit match.
Though, I recently learned of a situation where someone from a band I absolutely love is an absolute asshole who's behavior directly affected someone I actu know and care about. THAT ones been a little rough.
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Post by anticonscience on Apr 16, 2015 13:05:55 GMT -5
I have an autographed lostprophets setlist on my wall from when I saw them on Warped a couple years ago, right before the stuff about Ian came out. I dunno why I never took it down but I didn't.
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Post by Fundertaker on Apr 16, 2015 13:25:04 GMT -5
The only other song I know of from Lostprophets is Shinobi vs. Dragon Ninja... which is only because I liked the name And it is an awesome song to boot. ALTHOUGH! it has a severly lack of Shinobis, Dragon Ninjas and confrontations of said individuals. |
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on Apr 16, 2015 13:35:07 GMT -5
Benoit matches I can tolerate because I think a lifetime of severe damage to his brain messed him up in the end causing him to do what he did and there is another participant involved usually in his matches.
Glitter and Watkins I can't listen to there music at all, both are terrible human beings no matter how good there music is. Glitter especially as his songs do take on a whole new meaning now and come across as incredibly disturbing.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 16, 2015 14:45:55 GMT -5
Benoit matches I can tolerate because I think a lifetime of severe damage to his brain messed him up in the end causing him to do what he did and there is another participant involved usually in his matches. Glitter and Watkins I can't listen to there music at all, both are terrible human beings no matter how good there music is. Glitter especially as his songs do take on a whole new meaning now and come across as incredibly disturbing. Gary Glitter: "Do ya wanna be in my gang?" Me: "Nah. I'll pass" |
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Post by paulbearer on Apr 17, 2015 17:57:33 GMT -5
There's a Swedish actor named Thomas Hellberg.....he was still one of the best things about the show "Rederiet" despite him being a child molester.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 17, 2015 22:44:18 GMT -5
So if I can go by this thread...child molestation is worse than taking another person's life?
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