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Post by Unaffiliated on Apr 17, 2015 23:47:34 GMT -5
So if I can go by this thread...child molestation is worse than taking another person's life? Watkins is an almost child rapist, which is definitely worse than child molester. Comparing him to Benoit... for me personally I don't care, it's comparing rotten apples to rotten oranges. But I can understand arguments either way for which one is worse.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 17, 2015 23:50:02 GMT -5
You could in theory say "well, Benoit had brain damage" if you were looking for a way to distinguish one as worse than the other, but with Watkins, he was just an outight sadistic bastard.
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Post by sfvega on Apr 18, 2015 0:53:28 GMT -5
I have a harder time watching a Benoit match then listening to that rooftops song. I can't help but to think all those diving head butts, head bumps, and any unprotected chairshot to the head created the tragedy that was about to happen. I find that more disturbing watching a guy slowly killing himself and his family because of those stupid bumps he takes to the head then a truly evil man writing a song about rooftops that didn't make him more or less of a pedophile. It did, though, because he preyed on young fans and fans with young children. His music making fans of people directly enabled him to get to his victims.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Apr 18, 2015 2:05:17 GMT -5
Hitler was a talented artist. You care to hang some of his paintings in your house? Honestly, to own a picture painted by Hitler would be kind of cool. The man was evil incarnate, but he was a very talented artist and I would assume his works would be worth quite a bit .
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 18, 2015 2:45:45 GMT -5
Who the f*** is Ian Watkins?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 18, 2015 2:48:06 GMT -5
Hitler was a talented artist. You care to hang some of his paintings in your house? I have seen Benoit matches since then but I watched them with a detached indifference. Actually, he was kind of a shitty artist, which is why he never got into art school, I mean he paints better than me, but I don't want to be a painter. The value is surviving paintings have isn't really in the beautiful craftsmanship, it's in the whole WW2 thing and being Hitler.
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Post by Speedy Cerviche on Apr 18, 2015 3:23:22 GMT -5
Varg Vikernes stabbed Euronymous like 20 times and I still listen to his stuff :/
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Apr 18, 2015 5:31:14 GMT -5
I still listen to Gary Glitter. He may have been a despicable human being, he was a great musician.
I think despite horrible things what people can do, you can appreciate their art and work still. I don't think they should be honoured or awarded though, but yeah, I've no problem listening to music and such by them.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 18, 2015 6:12:13 GMT -5
So if I can go by this thread...child molestation is worse than taking another person's life? It's kind of a shitty game to play. You have Benoit who murdered two people, which is terrible. And you have Ian Watkins who, if I recall, literally raped babies, and collected video of it as well as sex with animals. His acts were also outside of the heat of passion, calculated and covered up extensively. They both were monsters.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 18, 2015 7:06:51 GMT -5
Honestly, I think losing your mind from hundreds of chair shots, killing your family and yourself is kind of a drop in the ocean compared to collaborating with two women to rape their own baby.
Both of them hurt me as a fan a lot, but the Lostprophets was worse both for severity and because they were one of MY bands growing up. I was a nu-metal kid and Linkin Park were great, but Lostprophets were basically a British Linkin Park at first and it made them very personal to a lot of us.
It might be different if Watkins was just the drummer, but he was the singer and one of the writers, I can't sing along to big hooks written by a paedophile.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Apr 18, 2015 11:21:39 GMT -5
So if I can go by this thread...child molestation is worse than taking another person's life? It's kind of a shitty game to play. You have Benoit who murdered two people, which is terrible. And you have Ian Watkins who, if I recall, literally raped babies, and collected video of it as well as sex with animals. His acts were also outside of the heat of passion, calculated and covered up extensively. They both were monsters. If I'm not wrong, Watkins, thankfully, didn't actually rape them, just had specific plans to. There still was sexual assault committed by their mothers which he watched and beat off to. Ya, doesn't make him any less vile.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 18, 2015 11:38:57 GMT -5
Hitler was a talented artist. You care to hang some of his paintings in your house? Honestly, to own a picture painted by Hitler would be kind of cool. The man was evil incarnate, but he was a very talented artist and I would assume his works would be worth quite a bit . I want a painting of Krebs pointing to his map (title: Fish Pervert).
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Apr 21, 2015 20:18:47 GMT -5
Honestly I was able to watch any of Chris Benoit matches with feeling by the time that barley a month had passed after he killed his wife and kids so it would be extremely hypocritical of me to judge someone if they still listen any the of the Lostprophets's music.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Apr 21, 2015 23:47:32 GMT -5
It's kind of a shitty game to play. You have Benoit who murdered two people, which is terrible. And you have Ian Watkins who, if I recall, literally raped babies, and collected video of it as well as sex with animals. His acts were also outside of the heat of passion, calculated and covered up extensively. They both were monsters. If I'm not wrong, Watkins, thankfully, didn't actually rape them, just had specific plans to. There still was sexual assault committed by their mothers which he watched and beat off to. Ya, doesn't make him any less vile. Having read the sentencing remarks (which is recommended if you wanna know the full extent of his depravity but not recommended if you want to.keep your faith in humanity), huge trigger warning here btw: he was seen on film attempting to rape one of the women's children in a hotel room but seemingly couldn't 'fit'. It was far, far worse than just some webcam shenanigans. The actual details of what happened (its actually worse than it sounds) can be read in the sentencing remarks.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Apr 22, 2015 1:00:48 GMT -5
If I'm not wrong, Watkins, thankfully, didn't actually rape them, just had specific plans to. There still was sexual assault committed by their mothers which he watched and beat off to. Ya, doesn't make him any less vile. Having read the sentencing remarks (which is recommended if you wanna know the full extent of his depravity but not recommended if you want to.keep your faith in humanity), huge trigger warning here btw: he was seen on film attempting to rape one of the women's children in a hotel room but seemingly couldn't 'fit'. It was far, far worse than just some webcam shenanigans. The actual details of what happened (its actually worse than it sounds) can be read in the sentencing remarks. I only briefly looked through the sentencing remarks when it came out, and it turns out I missed the worst parts. Having looked at it again... Wow. All I can say is that thankfully the victims were definitely way too young to remember anything, and that they've (presumably) been taken away from their mothers early enough.
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