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Post by joeiscool on Apr 18, 2015 15:17:44 GMT -5
I'm really disliking this whole disdain of the fans vibe that wrestling is putting out nowadays. In no other form of entertainment would fans be actively told their opinions and feelings are worthless, shut up and sit down. I mean it's true in a sense. There's not really any reason why a fan should care who is getting paid late and who isn't. Like that's not really our place.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 15:21:15 GMT -5
I'm really disliking this whole disdain of the fans vibe that wrestling is putting out nowadays. In no other form of entertainment would fans be actively told their opinions and feelings are worthless, shut up and sit down. I mean it's true in a sense. There's not really any reason why a fan should care who is getting paid late and who isn't. Like that's not really our place. Not really true. I know it isn't a direct relation but many people refuse to buy goods from a company that uses sweat shops in India and stuff. Many people refuse to buy goods from companies that do not pay staff the living wage (UK, not sure if living wage is a global thing). Is it that different that wrestling fans may not want to support a company that they see as abusing and using talent like that? I know this may veer to a politics type thing but I feel it ties enough to this topic. It may seem nosey but some people feel that this type of thing is against the morals they live life by.
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Post by joeiscool on Apr 18, 2015 15:30:54 GMT -5
There must be something wrong for people to have to even come out and address these rumours. I would place money on TNA getting in these peoples ears and telling them to make sure they mention on their Twitter that they get paid. I think people like Hardy and Perkins have no issue boasting about making a hundred dollars from 5 days work and how it paid for their houses. Still doesn't mean the other 90% of the company is getting paid ... Taz walked out for that very reason. As strange as it may be to hear. It's a case by case thing even with TNA having a bad rep with people. I've heard several indy wrestlers say that TNA treated them better in tryouts than WWE guys have, and I've heard the complete opposite as well. But for a lot of indy wrestlers the big thing is wrestling on national tv You also have to think about the fact people are at different stages in life. $1000 for 5 days of work, might seem amazing if you're working indies for bar tabs, a cut of the gate, or even working some other job at minimum wage. However $1000 is not anything if you could work a job for like 100,000 or even 50,000 a year.
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Post by joeiscool on Apr 18, 2015 15:36:58 GMT -5
I mean it's true in a sense. There's not really any reason why a fan should care who is getting paid late and who isn't. Like that's not really our place. Not really true. I know it isn't a direct relation but many people refuse to buy goods from a company that uses sweat shops in India and stuff. Many people refuse to buy goods from companies that do not pay staff the living wage (UK, not sure if living wage is a global thing). Is it that different that wrestling fans may not want to support a company that they see as abusing and using talent like that? I know this may veer to a politics type thing but I feel it ties enough to this topic. It may seem nosey but some people feel that this type of thing is against the morals they live life by. I mean if you wanna do that go ahead, but unlike other countries with sweat shop we live in a land of opportunities. No one is forcing a wrestler to work in awful conditions. TNA is not even a company making a profit.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Apr 18, 2015 17:26:46 GMT -5
With that kind of distain for the fans and a "shut up and just accept it" mentality, a bright future in WWE surely beckons for her.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 18, 2015 17:30:49 GMT -5
With that kind of distain for the fans and a "shut up and just accept it" mentality, a bright future in WWE surely beckons for her. I was gonna say, her shameless toady-ing is near Jericho levels.
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Post by chrom on Apr 18, 2015 17:40:22 GMT -5
With that kind of distain for the fans and a "shut up and just accept it" mentality, a bright future in WWE surely beckons for her. The more I hear from her, the more she comes off as a ****
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 17:47:19 GMT -5
I know someone who bought her a ring outfit and she promised loads of autographed pics and merch - they never got it and she blocked them on social media.
I am no fan but I feel she's just badly worded a message while dismissing people having empathy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 19:45:26 GMT -5
I respect her for standing up and saying that, if it's what she really feels, and if she has been paid on-time and the correct amount.
However, she has to realize that just because things are all good for her doesn't mean they are for everyone else.
And part of me wonders if it was rooted in sucking up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 17:30:25 GMT -5
As strange as it may be to hear. It's a case by case thing even with TNA having a bad rep with people. I've heard several indy wrestlers say that TNA treated them better in tryouts than WWE guys have, and I've heard the complete opposite as well. But for a lot of indy wrestlers the big thing is wrestling on national tv You also have to think about the fact people are at different stages in life. $1000 for 5 days of work, might seem amazing if you're working indies for bar tabs, a cut of the gate, or even working some other job at minimum wage. However $1000 is not anything if you could work a job for like 100,000 or even 50,000 a year. 1000 for five days work is more money than 50,000 a year.
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Apr 20, 2015 17:34:02 GMT -5
kinda interesting that the statement which generated the largest emphasis from her was "My boyfriend is in NXT!!!" there's about a million ways someone could dissect that. Isn't she dating Solomon Crowe? You mean she's not dating Bull Dempsey?
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 20, 2015 18:04:09 GMT -5
With that kind of distain for the fans and a "shut up and just accept it" mentality, a bright future in WWE surely beckons for her. I was gonna say, her shameless toady-ing is near Jericho levels. Not for nothing, but could it be remotely possible she's actually had good experiences with Ayana's?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 6:14:48 GMT -5
You also have to think about the fact people are at different stages in life. $1000 for 5 days of work, might seem amazing if you're working indies for bar tabs, a cut of the gate, or even working some other job at minimum wage. However $1000 is not anything if you could work a job for like 100,000 or even 50,000 a year. 1000 for five days work is more money than 50,000 a year. Depending. With TNA doing the thing they're doing right now with taping once every couple of months, that's $6,000 a year which is straight-up poverty.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 7:55:20 GMT -5
1000 for five days work is more money than 50,000 a year. Depending. With TNA doing the thing they're doing right now with taping once every couple of months, that's $6,000 a year which is straight-up poverty. I meant working on a consistent basis.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 9:13:18 GMT -5
Your brother is an asshole!
Dang it, I forgot this isn't Havok the X-Man, it's Havok the TNA-Lady.
......I'm sure your brother is good people, if you even have a brother!
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 21, 2015 11:53:10 GMT -5
With that kind of distain for the fans and a "shut up and just accept it" mentality, a bright future in WWE surely beckons for her. The more I hear from her, the more she comes off as a **** I like her having met her a few times but she does have that way about her. Either way I will repeat that some people honestly probably do feel that TNA treats them well and most of those are people who the wwe never looked at. Doesn't mean TNA is good people or bad people it's all case by case. Like the Bucks don't hate TNA. They don't like Russo and they hated not being booked on house shows (which screwed their pay) but otherwise they didn't have issues
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Post by joeiscool on Apr 21, 2015 13:06:06 GMT -5
You also have to think about the fact people are at different stages in life. $1000 for 5 days of work, might seem amazing if you're working indies for bar tabs, a cut of the gate, or even working some other job at minimum wage. However $1000 is not anything if you could work a job for like 100,000 or even 50,000 a year. 1000 for five days work is more money than 50,000 a year. but i meant in terms of tna wrestlers I was under the impression that tna tapes a month of programming in about 5 days once every month, and I also heard that some wrestlers were getting paid as little as 200 per show. So if you appeared on all 5 shows you'd get paid essentially 1000 for 5 days of work..
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