|
Post by froggyfrog on Apr 26, 2015 16:10:43 GMT -5
It went wrong when he stopped being Leo Kruger
|
|
AFN: Judge Shred
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Wanted to change his doohicky.
Member of The Bluetista Buyers Club
Posts: 18,221
|
Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Apr 26, 2015 16:33:02 GMT -5
I dunno, but wearing dollar store hand me down Terry Funk tights isn't helping any.
|
|
|
Post by Urfarkendarf on Apr 26, 2015 16:35:53 GMT -5
A ridiculous, and completely un-entertaining gimmick killed him. That's really all that it is. He is a talented performer, but not everyone can get garbage over.
|
|
Reflecto
Hank Scorpio
The Sorceress' Knight
Posts: 6,847
|
Post by Reflecto on Apr 26, 2015 16:41:47 GMT -5
One note gimmick, combined with the gimmick being used by a wrestler who was too old to see if it was a one-note gimmick or not.
Yes, Leo Kruger was a fun evil heel and could have worked- but at the same time, the Leo Kruger gimmick was beginning to get played out by the end too. Combine that Adam Rose was really, really over those first couple of tapings, and it led to a point where Ray Leppan was at "Well, he's certainly GOOD ENOUGH to be a WWE superstar, so he's too good to just fire...his last gimmick kind of lost all its fizz and just didn't have it to be a WWE guy. The crowd did seem to like this new gimmick...he's not getting any younger...screw it. Let's throw it on WWE programming and see what happens".
|
|
Johnny B. Decent
Patti Mayonnaise
Had one once
Everybody's Favorite Arizonian.
Posts: 31,072
|
Post by Johnny B. Decent on Apr 26, 2015 17:25:06 GMT -5
I also think his character motivation was another problem. Okay, so you are a party animal, right? So why are you not doing that at a nightclub instead of being a pro wrestler?
|
|
|
Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 26, 2015 17:31:29 GMT -5
Bluntly, the dude got "Marc Mero'd" by a guy in a bunny suit.
|
|
the2ndevil
Grimlock
Super Seducer Survivor
Where Is Your Santa, Now?
Posts: 13,628
|
Post by the2ndevil on Apr 26, 2015 18:56:49 GMT -5
He left the Full Sail Arena. Just what I came here to post.
|
|
|
Post by Joe Neglia on Apr 26, 2015 19:01:57 GMT -5
A very minor, but sorta important thing that hurt him, especially with live crowds, was his entrance music. That little bit of Indian-inspired stuff at the intro was a buzzkill for the gimmick. The RBs hitting the stage dancing to it was just...weird. Should have started the song right at the tone turn, like they were partying all the way down the back hall and out into the aisle. Full throttle from point zero.
|
|
|
Post by lesleymoon on Apr 26, 2015 20:04:26 GMT -5
Him as the crazy scary cult leader of the Rosebuds is solid gold, they need to run with that a lot more. Those videos on WWE.com a while back were great. Granted he's still not very imposing in the ring, but that's a unique villain character. Because I don't watch NXT, when his vignettes first started on Raw, I kinda thought this was the direction they were going with. Sort of a dark, twisted, Pied Piper of sorts. Make you party til you die, or something. Which could have been an interesting direction to go in, though not sure how long it could have really lasted.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 20:06:53 GMT -5
Everything.
|
|
Brood Lone Wolf Funker
Ozymandius
Got fined anyway. Possibly a Moose
James Franco is the white Donald Glover
Posts: 61,747
|
Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Apr 26, 2015 20:50:17 GMT -5
The humping bunny
|
|
|
Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 26, 2015 21:19:23 GMT -5
ADAM ROSE!!!... Adam Rose?... Adam Rose?
|
|
nisidhe
Hank Scorpio
O Superman....O judge....O Mom and Dad....
Posts: 5,712
|
Post by nisidhe on Apr 26, 2015 21:27:47 GMT -5
I liked Adam Rose in the beginning the same way I liked Funkasaurus Brodus Clay. I think both were hugely over from the get-go and were intended to be entertainers: they were the kinds of gimmicks that helped build up the crowd's energy. They were also from the school of "Don't Question the Gimmick's Motivation" - nobody questioned Hillbilly Jim or Junkyard Dog; we just tore the roof off the place when they came down the aisle.
Both gimmicks relied on a cross-generational appeal. Brodus's persona, and the energy he brought to the crowd, relied on a disco-funk track that was pleasing to almost every ear that heard it. Adam Rose was Russell Brand crossed with Adrian Street and Bugs Bunny; freedom-loving, aesthetically-sensitive but ultimately "good", his early WWE matches were wrestled comedically on a level we'd not seen since the mid-1980s and which, in any expressive endeavour can be the most difficult to do successfully.
The issue, as is often the case in WWE, lay with Creative. These were the kinds of characters that didn't need someone to be diametrically opposed to them in order to work, but could theoretically continue long-term as stand-alones. Rather than let either of them build up their own momentum and reveal themselves over time, however, Creative immediately threw wrenches into the works - the Xavier Woods "borrowing" for Brodus, the Bunny's rise for Adam Rose - which gravely weakened the drawing power of either gimmick.
|
|
|
Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 26, 2015 22:33:04 GMT -5
A very minor, but sorta important thing that hurt him, especially with live crowds, was his entrance music. That little bit of Indian-inspired stuff at the intro was a buzzkill for the gimmick. The RBs hitting the stage dancing to it was just...weird. Should have started the song right at the tone turn, like they were partying all the way down the back hall and out into the aisle. Full throttle from point zero. Oh yeah this too... definitly. The few tiems he did the entrance on NXT Adam and the rosebuds came out together to the same music... I also think they should have worked the Exotic Express bus into his debut entrance too.
|
|
|
Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 26, 2015 23:45:49 GMT -5
I liked Adam Rose in the beginning the same way I liked Funkasaurus Brodus Clay. I think both were hugely over from the get-go and were intended to be entertainers: they were the kinds of gimmicks that helped build up the crowd's energy. They were also from the school of "Don't Question the Gimmick's Motivation" - nobody questioned Hillbilly Jim or Junkyard Dog; we just tore the roof off the place when they came down the aisle. Both gimmicks relied on a cross-generational appeal. Brodus's persona, and the energy he brought to the crowd, relied on a disco-funk track that was pleasing to almost every ear that heard it. Adam Rose was Russell Brand crossed with Adrian Street and Bugs Bunny; freedom-loving, aesthetically-sensitive but ultimately "good", his early WWE matches were wrestled comedically on a level we'd not seen since the mid-1980s and which, in any expressive endeavour can be the most difficult to do successfully. The issue, as is often the case in WWE, lay with Creative. These were the kinds of characters that didn't need someone to be diametrically opposed to them in order to work, but could theoretically continue long-term as stand-alones. Rather than let either of them build up their own momentum and reveal themselves over time, however, Creative immediately threw wrenches into the works - the Xavier Woods "borrowing" for Brodus, the Bunny's rise for Adam Rose - which gravely weakened the drawing power of either gimmick. The Xavier Woods/Brodus thing had less to do with them and was written more as a plot device to retire Albert. As for the Bunny, they should've never introduced it in the first place. If Adam Rose needed people to team with or run interference, they should've just used some of the other floundering lower card wrestlers and made them "Honorary Rosebuds".
|
|
|
Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Apr 26, 2015 23:55:44 GMT -5
The Bunny pretty much killed any credibility the guy had. You don't bounce back from that. It could have been Leo Kruger but noooooooooooooooo.
|
|
TWERKIN' MAGGLE
Crow T. Robot
Black Lives Matter
Posts: 44,867
Member is Online
|
Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 27, 2015 0:11:49 GMT -5
They had the perfect opportunity to bring Leo Kruger out of the evil mirror skit they did. And they didn't do it.
Leo Kruger didn't have to be a big game hunter, he could just be a crazy sadist.
Week one, beat the tar out of Zack Ryder (like Sheamus last week).
Week two, beat the bejeezus out of Kofi Kingston, get DQ'd to avoid an undefeated record gimmick.
Week three, chair assault Kofi in the locker room for no reason. Authority 'punishes' Kruger by booking him against Kofi at the PPV.
Week four, promo where he says he doesn't hate Kofi, he's just going to mow down anyone who gets in his way.
PPV, slightly competitive match where Kofi gets some enraged offense, but gets overwhelmed and loses.
|
|
|
Post by StormanReigns on Apr 27, 2015 0:14:19 GMT -5
Why can they not just have fun characters who are not total jokes? 100% of the crowed know it is entertainment, not ever character has to be super serious all the time.
If you recall the Attitude Era, the very gimmicky characters were some of the most over
|
|
Rave
El Dandy
Perpetually Bored
Posts: 8,090
|
Post by Rave on Apr 27, 2015 0:21:49 GMT -5
The incredibly rushed callup. Even if the gimmick was over in Full Sail, it still had kinks to work out, like changing his finish every week.
The changed music. "World Goes Wild" was over as hell. The replacement? Not as much.
Taking too long to debut him. People get bored and move on to something else easily.
No compelling real storyline for him. There was no reason for anything he did. He was just there.
That stupid Bunny. Yes, JBL, there's a Bunny. No, JBL, you don't have to yammer on incessantly about the Bunny to the point where the nincompoops writing this stuff try to make him the main attraction of the whole thing.
The gimmick itself having a really limited shelf life didn't help matters any, either.
|
|
MolotovMocktail
Grimlock
Home of the 5-time, 5-time, 5-time, 5-time 5-time Super Bowl Champion 49ers-and Wrestlemania 31
Posts: 13,954
|
Post by MolotovMocktail on Apr 27, 2015 0:23:27 GMT -5
When I was at a live event, he was the only one who got no reaction.
|
|