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Post by StormanReigns on Apr 28, 2015 0:56:37 GMT -5
I say this as a writer. They MUST lack talent. Instead of writing something creative for Sandow, they gave him a goofball gimmick.
Are their writers 6 years old? If WWE is paying ANYONE to write stuff like that, they should fire them immediately
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 28, 2015 0:59:04 GMT -5
It's not the writers, it's the giant man baby who decides what makes it onto camera.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Apr 28, 2015 1:01:26 GMT -5
Hey, don't blame the writers and booking. It's the fans fault if he doesn't get over.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 1:02:11 GMT -5
Meh they made the best of a bad situation with Sandow. You can't have him go full on back to the intellectual savior gimmick like as nothing has happened plus he's not exactly a good babyface character. But same time they have to acknowledge his old gimmick and his new gimmick and it was good to see Sandow finally explain his actions for the past year and a half of cosplaying and it's nice to see continuity be acknowledged in the WWE.
A intellectual dick babyface who can copycat other heels to get under their skin and give Sandow the advantage is actually not a bad gimmick. Like yeah it's not a great gimmick but Sandow is one of those guys who can make any shitty idea and gimmick work so far and I have faith he can overachieve once again. Seriously dude is one of the most underrated and underappreciated talents in the wrestling.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 28, 2015 1:08:19 GMT -5
Personally, I think we underestimate how hard their job actually is. Like, it's easy for us to sit here at our computers and say "I don't like this, I would have done something else". We're just "writing" for ourselves when we say things like that, or when we fantasy book our dream WrestleMania cards. These people in Creative essentially have to write for MILLIONS of people (but most likely, just Vince)... Full shows, word-for-word, seven to ten hours of material a week EVERY WEEK, with a cast of 50-60 characters, some of whom may have the ability to reject it at a moment's notice and throw the whole thing off-kilter. And parts of the fanbase demand that you have something substantial and gratifying for EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Name ANY OTHER SHOW that has that kind of workload.
That's not to say you can't criticise things when they don't work for you. Just offering some perspective.
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Post by kidglov3s on Apr 28, 2015 1:15:07 GMT -5
You want bad writing Catwoman, there's no better Cryptkeeping example of it than in this week's Giant opening segment. Bieber.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 1:42:29 GMT -5
Hey, don't blame the writers and booking. It's the fans fault if he doesn't get over. OH SHIT! It's a shoot! Watch FAN user DESTROY former wwe champion the miz!!!
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Apr 28, 2015 2:09:18 GMT -5
Remember, Vince has the final say on EVERYTHING. WWE's had a lot of good writers IMO but their ideas and feedback never get past Vince for one reason or another.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Apr 28, 2015 2:33:06 GMT -5
I don't believe a bunch of sucky writers can just get hired by a big company like the WWE.
Regarding Sandow, I don't see tonight's segment as an indicator that this will be his continued gimmick. It had the right balance between retaining the goofiness that got him so over and showing that he's ready to move on from the gimmick.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 28, 2015 2:48:26 GMT -5
Even guys who work there say it's hard to write for the company, one guy said it's almost impossible to write for the Divas because there is no direction given by the head honchos on what to do and when it seems like they'll so somewhere, they run into a wall like with Paige/AJ and that Bella's storyline
They aren't all great but when a show's writing is changed DURING a show most of the time? That's hardly the writers fault, that would be Vince and Company...
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Post by ilggant on Apr 28, 2015 4:17:19 GMT -5
Those damn millennials dammit!!
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 28, 2015 7:23:34 GMT -5
There is no way in hell that WWE has had ONLY terrible writers this entire time. It's clearly the chain of command.
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Post by Sam Punk on Apr 28, 2015 7:48:37 GMT -5
I blame Kevin Dunn.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 28, 2015 7:54:20 GMT -5
who are we going to blame for everything when Triple H takes over and Laughing Boy gets shitcanned?
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Post by Reflecto on Apr 28, 2015 8:29:35 GMT -5
Personally, I think we underestimate how hard their job actually is. Like, it's easy for us to sit here at our computers and say "I don't like this, I would have done something else". We're just "writing" for ourselves when we say things like that, or when we fantasy book our dream WrestleMania cards. These people in Creative essentially have to write for MILLIONS of people (but most likely, just Vince)... Full shows, word-for-word, seven to ten hours of material a week EVERY WEEK, with a cast of 50-60 characters, some of whom may have the ability to reject it at a moment's notice and throw the whole thing off-kilter. And parts of the fanbase demand that you have something substantial and gratifying for EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Name ANY OTHER SHOW that has that kind of workload. That's not to say you can't criticise things when they don't work for you. Just offering some perspective. The answer to any other show? ANY OTHER SHOW. That basically is all of TV writing: You have to write something that makes millions of people want to watch, full shows, word for word. You have to make every character on the show count, and any star, producer, sponsor, etc. doesn't like it (or the person you're using), they can reject it at a moment's notice. Saying you need something substantial for every single character is whining about the whole point of being a writer- and if there's a problem with 'waah you're making me actually DO MY JOB and WOOOOOORK! on these characters!', then you're the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 8:40:48 GMT -5
who are we going to blame for everything when Triple H takes over and Laughing Boy gets shitcanned? Triple H will bring back Jim Ross just for that role.
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Post by kevin on Apr 28, 2015 8:46:05 GMT -5
Personally, I think we underestimate how hard their job actually is. Like, it's easy for us to sit here at our computers and say "I don't like this, I would have done something else". We're just "writing" for ourselves when we say things like that, or when we fantasy book our dream WrestleMania cards. These people in Creative essentially have to write for MILLIONS of people (but most likely, just Vince)... Full shows, word-for-word, seven to ten hours of material a week EVERY WEEK, with a cast of 50-60 characters, some of whom may have the ability to reject it at a moment's notice and throw the whole thing off-kilter. And parts of the fanbase demand that you have something substantial and gratifying for EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Name ANY OTHER SHOW that has that kind of workload. That's not to say you can't criticise things when they don't work for you. Just offering some perspective. The answer to any other show? ANY OTHER SHOW. That basically is all of TV writing: You have to write something that makes millions of people want to watch, full shows, word for word. You have to make every character on the show count, and any star, producer, sponsor, etc. doesn't like it (or the person you're using), they can reject it at a moment's notice. Saying you need something substantial for every single character is whining about the whole point of being a writer- and if there's a problem with 'waah you're making me actually DO MY JOB and WOOOOOORK! on these characters!', then you're the problem. I think you massively underestimate the difference between writing 22 hours and filming it all months before it airs to writing 5 hours a week every week for shows that air live or days after filming.
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Post by Saul Goodman on Apr 28, 2015 8:47:35 GMT -5
I understand that writing six hours of TV a week is hard, but I agree they do suck. Too many chefs in the kitchen and a boss that hates everything while treating you like shit will make every good writer into a crap writer. The WWE will even make James Joyce suck as bad as Ayn Rand.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 28, 2015 8:55:56 GMT -5
Hold on...no one told me Big Dave Bautista posts here!
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Post by Reflecto on Apr 28, 2015 12:08:37 GMT -5
The answer to any other show? ANY OTHER SHOW. That basically is all of TV writing: You have to write something that makes millions of people want to watch, full shows, word for word. You have to make every character on the show count, and any star, producer, sponsor, etc. doesn't like it (or the person you're using), they can reject it at a moment's notice. Saying you need something substantial for every single character is whining about the whole point of being a writer- and if there's a problem with 'waah you're making me actually DO MY JOB and WOOOOOORK! on these characters!', then you're the problem. I think you massively underestimate the difference between writing 22 hours and filming it all months before it airs to writing 5 hours a week every week for shows that air live or days after filming. There are benefits and curses to both options, though. Yes, it's probably easier, on paper, to write 22 hours and film it all months before it airs- but by writing 5 hours a week, every week, for shows that air live or days after filming like WWE does, you get far more real-time control than you would on another show. This also ties into the demands for something substantial for every character: On a regular TV show, things are far more railroaded. If a main character just isn't working, or a background character becomes the Ensemble Darkhorse [especially if that character's destined to die or leave the show otherwise], that can potentially sink any regular TV show before it begins to catch fire. WWE, on the other hand, can rework storylines to turn a flailing babyface heel, to give more focus to a popular lowcarder, to run with a hot hand and see how far it can take them, or any mix of things. Now, whether they actually DO THIS- that's the real problem, and it ties into the reason the WWE writers suck. Whether they're allowed to by Vince McMahon, Triple H, Kevin Dunn, Stephanie McMahon, whatever boogeyman you choose to do it: The WWE writers have a gift that people who work on any other television show would KILL FOR- the opportunity to change things on the fly the second it becomes clear it's not working without having to scrap any footage that's in the can when it was working, then recalibrate the show around the things that are working without missing a beat- and they don't take advantage of it, choosing to waste that gift by trying to treat pro wrestling like any other show.
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