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Post by Abdullah on May 22, 2015 5:27:18 GMT -5
I had posted this in another thread but given that we just witnessed arguably the best women's match in WWE history, there's that Paige promo and all, I figured this discussion deserves to be highlighted. These little new items pop up constantly and I don't completely buy it. I don't buy that Stephanie is in on it and I'm kind of skeptical about Hunter as well. Here's a great little summary of how I feel about his work in NXT.
Triple H has even said as much. During two separate conference calls, when pressed on the issue of why the main roster fails with women, he either spouts some crap about how it will time or how what works in Full Sail won't work further up. Cynically, it's very possible that while he's not against women's wrestling on principal, he's mostly just playing to a smark crowd.
On the other hand, once or twice a year the divas division gets decent booking before reverting back to its typical form. I'd at least believe there is some sort of struggle going on.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 22, 2015 5:32:18 GMT -5
Considering what we just witnessed on NXT and what the WWE Divas Roster looks like, and what they've really done to Paige since her callup, I can safely say that I don't want any NXT Women called up until Vince McMahon is out of power...
That being said they'll all probably get called up before that happens and ruined because there is basically no booking whatsoever on the main roster when it comes to the Divas, Sasha vs Becky Lynch did more for Womens Wrestling than the WWE has done in what feels like 10 F***ing years
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Post by Abdullah on May 22, 2015 5:41:52 GMT -5
Considering what we just witnessed on NXT and what the WWE Divas Roster looks like, and what they've really done to Paige since her callup, I can safely say that I don't want any NXT Women called up until Vince McMahon is out of power...
That being said they'll all probably get called up before that happens and ruined because there is basically no booking whatsoever on the main roster when it comes to the Divas, Sasha vs Becky Lynch did more for Womens Wrestling than the WWE has done in what feels like 10 F***ing years Paige is the perfect example of why I'm skeptical about Hunter. Paige was a 'Triple H girl' too, just like the NXT 4 are now. Her debut segment got 'this is awesome' chants and her strong reactions continued for a while until it was clear that they had no real plans for her. They ruined a potential money feud. They turned her character into a joke and she's only recently recovered from it all. She was the perfect person to help rebuild the division but she never had a chance. So what gives? Is Trips that powerless? Is he less willing to pick fights with Vince over divas? Given how well Neville, Zayn and Owens have had it on the main roster I'd kind of assume he's being choosy.
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Post by xCompackx on May 22, 2015 5:52:36 GMT -5
Considering what we just witnessed on NXT and what the WWE Divas Roster looks like, and what they've really done to Paige since her callup, I can safely say that I don't want any NXT Women called up until Vince McMahon is out of power...
That being said they'll all probably get called up before that happens and ruined because there is basically no booking whatsoever on the main roster when it comes to the Divas, Sasha vs Becky Lynch did more for Womens Wrestling than the WWE has done in what feels like 10 F***ing years Paige is the perfect example of why I'm skeptical about Hunter. Paige was a 'Triple H girl' too, just like the NXT 4 are now. Her debut segment got 'this is awesome' chants and her strong reactions continued for a while until it was clear that they had no real plans for her. They ruined a potential money feud. They turned her character into a joke and she's only recently recovered from it all. She was the perfect person to help rebuild the division but she never had a chance. So what gives? Is Trips that powerless? Is he less willing to pick fights with Vince over divas? Given how well Neville, Zayn and Owens have had it on the main roster I'd kind of assume he's being choosy. It's probably both to an extent. HHH runs NXT and developmental, but I could easily see him not having much power on the main shows and I doubt HHH wants to ruin his relationship with Vince over arguments that wouldn't lead anywhere. Gotta pick your battles sometimes.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 22, 2015 5:57:10 GMT -5
I had posted this in another thread but given that we just witnessed arguably the best women's match in WWE history, there's that Paige promo and all, I figured this discussion deserves to be highlighted. These little new items pop up constantly and I don't completely buy it. I don't buy that Stephanie is in on it and I'm kind of skeptical about Hunter as well. Here's a great little summary of how I feel about his work in NXT. Triple H has even said as much. During two separate conference calls, when pressed on the issue of why the main roster fails with women, he either spouts some crap about how it will time or how what works in Full Sail won't work further up. Cynically, it's very possible that while he's not against women's wrestling on principal, he's mostly just playing to a smark crowd. On the other hand, once or twice a year the divas division gets decent booking before reverting back to its typical form. I'd at least believe there is some sort of struggle going on. So according to that second bit, he doesn't care if you're a man or woman, if you've got talent and he likes you you'll get a push. Isn't that almost a definition of equality? Not sure why it'd make you have less faith in him.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 6:29:52 GMT -5
I've been saying for a while now that the WWE needs to capitalize on Rousey's popularity and push for a more "violent" (for lack of a better term) women's division. Stop calling them Divas and let them beat the hell out of each other on TV. It will change the way female wrestling is perceived by typical WWE fans, and might even gain them newer fans.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 22, 2015 6:43:11 GMT -5
I am not surprised. Honestly, if they want to go for families, they've been leaving money on the table. Bring in girl fans, too. Hell, a big part of AJ's success was that she resonated with young female fans, and there's been no shortage of pics of girls dressing like her to meet her, completely decked out in her merch. They were able to sell AJ SOCKS. They need to realize that there is, in addition to a pretty solid moral reason to treat women well, a monetary one.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 22, 2015 6:49:29 GMT -5
Considering what we just witnessed on NXT and what the WWE Divas Roster looks like, and what they've really done to Paige since her callup, I can safely say that I don't want any NXT Women called up until Vince McMahon is out of power...
That being said they'll all probably get called up before that happens and ruined because there is basically no booking whatsoever on the main roster when it comes to the Divas, Sasha vs Becky Lynch did more for Womens Wrestling than the WWE has done in what feels like 10 F***ing years Paige is the perfect example of why I'm skeptical about Hunter. Paige was a 'Triple H girl' too, just like the NXT 4 are now. Her debut segment got 'this is awesome' chants and her strong reactions continued for a while until it was clear that they had no real plans for her. They ruined a potential money feud. They turned her character into a joke and she's only recently recovered from it all. She was the perfect person to help rebuild the division but she never had a chance. So what gives? Is Trips that powerless? Is he less willing to pick fights with Vince over divas? Given how well Neville, Zayn and Owens have had it on the main roster I'd kind of assume he's being choosy. To be fair we really haven't seen Owens and Zayn on the main roster a lot yet, I don't doubt they will be fine but I want to see how they'd do on the main roster for a few months. Neville is doing alright, but I feel like he really needs a feud to build on. I don't mind Bo since it's actually surprisingly good continuity on the E's part, but yeah, all three are easily future main eventers, I hope they're treated as such. Lets see how Owens does at Elimination Chamber
As for the Divas, yeah, when it comes to them, Vince is still the guy who makes all the calls in the E and the fact is he doesn't GET Divas. He doesn't seem to understand Women's Wrestling anymore. He sees Divas as eye candy and that's it. If it wasn't for the Give Divas a Chance thing going viral they'd probably be even worse off than they are now, and they're still in shitty shape. Trips has total control in NXT, but he is very limited in the WWE's grand scheme right now until Vince eventually steps down, which by all signs wont be until Vince McMahon basically just falls over during the job one day.
Sasha Banks has the talent and skill to be one of the faces of Womens Wrestling, and the other girls in NXT behind her have the potential to make this a Boom Period for Womens Wrestling in the WWE and on a global scale, but try as Trips might to show Vince how much people can CARE about womens wrestling, especially with the Sasha vs Becky match, Vince is a stubborn old fool set in his ways a lot of the time. Who knows, maybe time will tell, but the sad fact is, you can't trust the booking, and the girls really are safer down in NXT. I'm actually glad Emma is back down there...
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Post by Boshek on May 22, 2015 7:16:51 GMT -5
One has to look no further than Nikki Bella's enterance to see what is wrong with the division: her music of "you can look but you can't touch," wearing too much make up and a low cut top and doing that stripper move where she turns around while carrying the DIVAS title.
Times have changed. Women should be viewed as athletes. Have them stop acting like mean, jealous divas. They need to stop dissing each other by calling people fat, ugly, smelly. It should be called the Women's title too.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 22, 2015 7:31:34 GMT -5
I had posted this in another thread but given that we just witnessed arguably the best women's match in WWE history, there's that Paige promo and all, I figured this discussion deserves to be highlighted. These little new items pop up constantly and I don't completely buy it. I don't buy that Stephanie is in on it and I'm kind of skeptical about Hunter as well. Here's a great little summary of how I feel about his work in NXT. Triple H has even said as much. During two separate conference calls, when pressed on the issue of why the main roster fails with women, he either spouts some crap about how it will time or how what works in Full Sail won't work further up. Cynically, it's very possible that while he's not against women's wrestling on principal, he's mostly just playing to a smark crowd. On the other hand, once or twice a year the divas division gets decent booking before reverting back to its typical form. I'd at least believe there is some sort of struggle going on. This is going to be unpopular, but so what if he's not doing it to be a social crusader? So freaking what? Why is him seeing it as "best for business" such a horrible, evil thing?
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Post by Abdullah on May 22, 2015 7:36:05 GMT -5
I had posted this in another thread but given that we just witnessed arguably the best women's match in WWE history, there's that Paige promo and all, I figured this discussion deserves to be highlighted. These little new items pop up constantly and I don't completely buy it. I don't buy that Stephanie is in on it and I'm kind of skeptical about Hunter as well. Here's a great little summary of how I feel about his work in NXT. Triple H has even said as much. During two separate conference calls, when pressed on the issue of why the main roster fails with women, he either spouts some crap about how it will time or how what works in Full Sail won't work further up. Cynically, it's very possible that while he's not against women's wrestling on principal, he's mostly just playing to a smark crowd. On the other hand, once or twice a year the divas division gets decent booking before reverting back to its typical form. I'd at least believe there is some sort of struggle going on. So according to that second bit, he doesn't care if you're a man or woman, if you've got talent and he likes you you'll get a push. Isn't that almost a definition of equality? Not sure why it'd make you have less faith in him. This is going to be unpopular, but so what if he's not doing it to be a social crusader? So freaking what? Why is him seeing it as "best for business" such a horrible, evil thing? That second bit, to me, is more that he thinks women will make money in NXT to a very specific crowd but not nessesarily on a larger scale. If that's true, then he's really not that difference than Vince. Just more strategic. Again, he's been asked why the main roster fails with women and his answers aren't exactly convincing. I don't care why he does anything. I just question how much of NXT will ever translate to RAW and Smackdown.
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Post by G✇JI☈A on May 22, 2015 7:36:30 GMT -5
Sounds like Vince is like FIFA president Sepp Blatter and his attitude to women football (soccer) players. Which is they should all be hot and be wearing skimpy outfits.
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Post by Dub H on May 22, 2015 7:39:30 GMT -5
I had posted this in another thread but given that we just witnessed arguably the best women's match in WWE history, there's that Paige promo and all, I figured this discussion deserves to be highlighted. These little new items pop up constantly and I don't completely buy it. I don't buy that Stephanie is in on it and I'm kind of skeptical about Hunter as well. Here's a great little summary of how I feel about his work in NXT. Triple H has even said as much. During two separate conference calls, when pressed on the issue of why the main roster fails with women, he either spouts some crap about how it will time or how what works in Full Sail won't work further up. Cynically, it's very possible that while he's not against women's wrestling on principal, he's mostly just playing to a smark crowd. On the other hand, once or twice a year the divas division gets decent booking before reverting back to its typical form. I'd at least believe there is some sort of struggle going on. This is going to be unpopular, but so what if he's not doing it to be a social crusader? So freaking what? Why is him seeing it as "best for business" such a horrible, evil thing? Why would it be a unpopular opinion?Besides he is doing the exact definition of equality,giving equal chance to both man and woman,but i don't think the first post is about social equality anyway
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on May 22, 2015 8:14:52 GMT -5
Women wrestling sport entertainment shoud be anihilated from Raw and Smackdown programming for ever.
Simply because in my opinion, women wrestling is antonmic with the type of sport entertainment the WWE are willing to produce. In a world where being a foreigner automatically qualifies you to be a heel, women can not be something else than mean bitches or eye candies. Casual fans don't want to see women fight, they want to see women shake their asses in lycra minishorts. The Diva disivion is just a huge waste of time.
The women sport entertainment wrestling enthousiasts would then be required to switch on NXT where they could enjoy a decent to great quality programming featuring female wrestlers, in a more cosy "indy-esque" athmosphere where personnalities and workrate have time to blossom peacefully in front of people who are genuinly interested.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 22, 2015 8:20:31 GMT -5
The problem with the conference calls is that those are by definition a load of corporate bullshit. He can't flat-out say to a bunch of investors "Yes, I am constantly clashing creatively with the CEO of the company over the booking of women and when I'm finally in charge his shitty old way is going out the window". A company needs to appear united for there to be confidence in the company, and you'd have to be an idiot who likes not having a job to do something that stupid. He has to give political answers that seem at least vaguely in line with how things are run, because that's corporate structure.
If Sasha Banks vs. Becky Lynch was a three minute slapfight where they called each other ugly bitches, the worst anyone would be able to say about it is that it's more of the same shit we got on the main roster. But to train them to really go at it, to book them in a long match where they're presented as skilled athletes fighting over a genuine championship that is meaningful to them and then make it one of the most important matches on the card, requires more conviction on the matter than "Sure why not, got nothing better to do".
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 22, 2015 8:41:12 GMT -5
So according to that second bit, he doesn't care if you're a man or woman, if you've got talent and he likes you you'll get a push. Isn't that almost a definition of equality? Not sure why it'd make you have less faith in him. This is going to be unpopular, but so what if he's not doing it to be a social crusader? So freaking what? Why is him seeing it as "best for business" such a horrible, evil thing? That second bit, to me, is more that he thinks women will make money in NXT to a very specific crowd but not nessesarily on a larger scale. If that's true, then he's really not that difference than Vince. Just more strategic. Again, he's been asked why the main roster fails with women and his answers aren't exactly convincing. I don't care why he does anything. I just question how much of NXT will ever translate to RAW and Smackdown. That'd still be giving them an opportunity, maybe he'd stop with them as it is in NXT, the semi main event but that's an insane leap over what there is now, and if they kept making money, why wouldn't he go all the way? As for his answers, what's he going to say about Vince in public? He's not going to lay into him, hes going to at most, make veiled shots like he did on the Austin podcast, Vince is still his father in law and boss, it's a fight you're never going to win, so he's going to wait in the wings till his moment comes.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 22, 2015 8:46:57 GMT -5
I don't know why Triple H and Vince can't come to an agreement: Give Trips one hour of Raw each week, to do what he wants to do, with the wrestlers he wants to use (excluding the obvious main event ones, let Vince keep them). One hour of Raw, dedicated to the same vision that Trips has realised in NXT. I think we'd soon see where the fans want the business to go.
If Trips wants a twenty minute match between Becky Lynch and Sasha Banks (or perhaps Paige and Emma) on that hour of Raw, then so be it. They can just prove Vince wrong, that way.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 22, 2015 8:52:29 GMT -5
I don't know why Triple H and Vince can't come to an agreement: Give Trips one hour of Raw each week, to do what he wants to do, with the wrestlers he wants to use (excluding the obvious main event ones, let Vince keep them). One hour of Raw, dedicated to the same vision that Trips has realised in NXT. I think we'd soon see where the fans want the business to go. If Trips wants a twenty minute match between Becky Lynch and Sasha Banks (or perhaps Paige and Emma) on that hour of Raw, then so be it. They can just prove Vince wrong, that way. I think that'd be his best bet now, easing the workload off the rest of the team and giving him experience running the A show. But I don't think Vince/Dunn would go for it, they'd want a consistent look and feel to the show.
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Post by JTG Fan on May 22, 2015 8:54:18 GMT -5
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Post by lesleymoon on May 22, 2015 8:56:24 GMT -5
One has to look no further than Nikki Bella's enterance to see what is wrong with the division: her music of "you can look but you can't touch," wearing too much make up and a low cut top and doing that stripper move where she turns around while carrying the DIVAS title. Times have changed. Women should be viewed as athletes. Have them stop acting like mean, jealous divas. They need to stop dissing each other by calling people fat, ugly, smelly. It should be called the Women's title too. I agree with the second half of this (mostly) but the first part of it I disagree with. Wearing too much makeup? That's because she is on television, you have to be made up heavier for the cameras. She wears a low cut top. So? She should be able to wear what she wants. And there is nothing wrong with a character that is kind of a bombshell. It's a character, no better or worse than any other. I don't think the Nikki Bella character is far from the actual personality of Nicole Garcia-Colace, and that always tends to be better character wise. Without the superficial catty nonsense. I actually really like the...the Twitter Nikki and I've thought that could be a better character tbh.
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