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Post by Hit Girl on May 23, 2015 13:20:39 GMT -5
I still stand by my idea of a Divas-only show, similar in tone and presentation to NXT, with the same creative team behind it.
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Post by Renslayer on May 23, 2015 13:55:44 GMT -5
Vince is a product of the 80's. Muscle men, hot women as arm candy, everything big and grand. He lost touch years ago. I have heard it said that Vince has his mentality of women's wrestling, because the U.S. wrestling industry has struggled to draw with women's wrestling for 30 or so years. At the end of the day, I don't know how much will really change on the main roster, and the telling thing is that they still romanticize the person who "innovated" the simplistic punch/kick/hairpull style of women's wrestling, the Fabulous Moolah. Forget the allegations of her being a glorified pimp, just watch her old work and you can see a all the Sables, the Kelly Kellys, and Diva Search rejects in her limited, plodding move set. That is what Vince thinks of women's wrestling. The thing about that is no one in the US has really given women's wrestling that much of a push right? Even with Trish & Lita, it was just those two and some bit players here and there. Like someone mentioned earlier, they're throwing away money by not actually building and featuring women wrestlers. You have a potential fanbase that's eager to interact with your shows, and they never get anything worthwhile to watch. It's terrible on a short and long term basis
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 23, 2015 14:00:42 GMT -5
If Stephanie cares so much about the divas, why does she bury them every time she's on-screen with them? That segment with AJ and Kaitlyn in 2013 was a disgrace.
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Post by salz4life on May 23, 2015 14:46:29 GMT -5
I still stand by my idea of a Divas-only show, similar in tone and presentation to NXT, with the same creative team behind it. After watching NXT since the inception of the WWE Network, I am fully onboard with this.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 14:51:36 GMT -5
If Stephanie cares so much about the divas, why does she bury them every time she's on-screen with them? That segment with AJ and Kaitlyn in 2013 was a disgrace. Agreed. HHH seems to value the women's roster based on the way NXT is booked, but Stephanie has not made a single female look good at her expense in the last 15 years on TV, and women were just as much "eye candy" on WWE TV during the time Stephanie was gaining more control backstage in the 2000's. Much like her "philanthropy is the future of marketing" Tweet (and her incredibly heart warming 9/11 sentiments), she seems like someone trying to leech off an important topic more than anything else. Vince not liking women's wrestling isn't exactly news, though. The WWF/E has been pretty offensive to women and minorities for decades.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on May 23, 2015 15:17:17 GMT -5
I don't see why they just don't take that first hour and GIVE it to NXT.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on May 23, 2015 16:04:48 GMT -5
Well all I can say is: let's enjoy NXT some more! Keep Bayley, Sasha and Becky and build up Carmella, Alexa, Blue Pants, Emma, Dana and co some more and we will have a blast
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Post by fw91 on May 23, 2015 16:55:35 GMT -5
Vince loves the tit
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Post by cabbageboy on May 23, 2015 17:00:22 GMT -5
I've mentioned this in the past but women's wrestling is a real problem for American promotions for a couple of reasons. Really, the Trish/Lita/Mickie era of the divas was about the only time where WWE found a tolerable balance that didn't upset the apple cart. Right now in WWE the divas are horrific and immediate FF material. Whenever I see a Bellas match, FF. Conversely, in the late 80s the Jumping Bomb Angels were so exciting that it made the men's matches look dull by comparison and guys got pissed in the back, thus the Angels time in WWF was fairly short.
There's a lesson to be learned here. Women's wrestling by definition cannot be TOO good in American wrestling. At the end of the day it's a side show match. There's also zero reason to believe quality women's wrestling is any sort of draw, especially when putting a longer women's match on Raw almost always would equal ratings death for that quarter hour. The only time I can think of where it was a draw was circa 1985 with Wendi Richter, and that was more due to the Cyndi Lauper involvement than anything.
If WWE started putting on 15 minute Charlotte vs. Nattie matches on PPV, I guarantee the entire midcard would get pissed over it and ask Vince or HHH "Why are you giving these chicks 15 minutes on a PPV when we don't get that?" The main event guys won't care; their spots are secure and they get enough time to get over. WWE has successfully poisoned fans against women's wrestling to the point where I don't see it ever being a draw on the main shows. It might be interesting in NXT, where the crowd cares, or as suggested on a divas wrestling show via the Network.
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 23, 2015 17:05:32 GMT -5
I don't see why they just don't take that first hour and GIVE it to NXT. Yeah, if they have three hours, why not make the first hour NXT then two hours of Raw? Great idea.
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Post by Woo on May 23, 2015 19:23:30 GMT -5
It boils down to the fact that Vince McMahon is simply not a very clever man. He's also petty and would happily lose money just to prove a point.
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Post by Savage Gambino on May 23, 2015 19:48:40 GMT -5
I think another part of the equation that we're overlooking is the network. One of the big reasons why NXT is so different from RAW, and one of the reasons they're able to focus on wrestling, is that they don't have to worry about advertisements and demographics. The fact of the matter is, despite women's wrestling only becoming more and more popular, and the obvious success of NXT, the network and the Board of Directors are probably even less willing to take risks than Vince and Kevin Dunn.
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Post by mrtuesday on May 23, 2015 20:31:06 GMT -5
I don't see why they just don't take that first hour and GIVE it to NXT. Yeah, if they have three hours, why not make the first hour NXT then two hours of Raw? Great idea. Because that's not what USA paid for. They paid for three hours of Monday Night Raw every week, not two hours of Raw and one hour of NXT.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 23, 2015 20:32:27 GMT -5
If Stephanie cares so much about the divas, why does she bury them every time she's on-screen with them? That segment with AJ and Kaitlyn in 2013 was a disgrace. Stephanie is too insecure. She won't even put male wrestlers over, let alone women. She might have decent creative ideas for female wrestlers, but none of that is compatible with Stephanie being an on-screen character. A heel boss must always be willing to look weak, cowardly, and get the shit kicked out of them, but she will absolutely not allow that. WWE authority figures need to be like Captain Harris in Police Academy. Vince got it. Johnny Ace got it. Steph (and HHH actually) don't understand that.
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Post by Greer on May 23, 2015 21:36:22 GMT -5
Well considering the entire division is referred to as "Divas" really doesn't help. The term diva is something I, and I think most would associate with being something negative.
How am I supposed to take the division seriously?
Hate to bring up a UFC comparison, but can you imagine Rousey being called the UFC Divas champion? It would be ridiculous and destroys any type of legitimacy or seriousness.
Oh...and better booking would probably help out a bit too, Vinnie Mac.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 23, 2015 21:37:57 GMT -5
Well considering the entire division is referred to as "Divas" really doesn't help. The term diva is something I, and I think most would associate with being something negative. The term had a comeback to the original more positive connotation in the 90's/early 2000's when the WWE started referring to them as Divas. Even if It eventually fell out of popular lexicon again.
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Post by BigWill on May 23, 2015 22:01:55 GMT -5
I don't see why they just don't take that first hour and GIVE it to NXT. Yeah, if they have three hours, why not make the first hour NXT then two hours of Raw? Because NXT wouldn't draw nearly as many viewers as the first hour of Raw would.
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Post by Greer on May 23, 2015 22:05:37 GMT -5
Well considering the entire division is referred to as "Divas" really doesn't help. The term diva is something I, and I think most would associate with being something negative. The term had a comeback to the original more positive connotation in the 90's/early 2000's when the WWE started referring to them as Divas. Even if It eventually fell out of popular lexicon again. Yeah, but even back then, it's not a word I would associate with competitive women's wrestling. The whole "Divas" thing started when the focus wasn't on wrestling, but posing for magazines, doing Playboy, and just showing boos and ass, which is what I think of when I hear the word diva used in the WWE.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 23, 2015 22:12:27 GMT -5
No reason why "Superstar" can't be applied to women too.
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Post by . on May 23, 2015 23:14:03 GMT -5
Please Vince, For the sake of your legacy, Your business,and your grandkids future. Retire
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