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Post by Next Level was WRONG on May 23, 2015 17:55:30 GMT -5
Then they would be as lame as the ones mad at The Rock.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 23, 2015 17:56:09 GMT -5
"That f***ing Kevin Owens, he's coming in and taking a spot from me. I could be on the fast track to the main roster, but Owens comes in and automatically my time is pushed back, and I have to stay down here instead of going to Raw. I f***ing love Kevin Owens!"
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 18:05:35 GMT -5
Wait this is the guy who gets paid the same as me with the same developmental contract (maybe bit more due to wrestling experience) and makes the same whether he is the NXT Champion or not? Cool I guess. It's not like he's getting paid extra on the main roster where bigger push equals more money earned since this is developmental. Speaking of which I need to develop my skills.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on May 23, 2015 18:07:46 GMT -5
Tye Dillinger probably throws a chair at someone for every new gimmick he's given.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 18:12:02 GMT -5
"That f***ing Kevin Owens, he's coming in and taking a spot from me. I could be on the fast track to the main roster, but Owens comes in and automatically my time is pushed back, and I have to stay down here instead of going to Raw. I f***ing love Kevin Owens!" And continue to make way way way less money, less fame, while doing more physical work wearing down your body? Nah I would hate that.
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Post by Professor Chaos on May 23, 2015 18:14:53 GMT -5
They're all pissed Kevin Owens and Samoa Joe walked in and ate all the catering. Whacka Whacka Whacka
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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 23, 2015 18:15:09 GMT -5
The only guy who was kind of pushed aside for the indy guys was Tyler Breeze, but that has kind of been fixed lately.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on May 23, 2015 18:19:15 GMT -5
It would be a natural reaction to be jealous or intimidated. I wouldn't really be critical of someone in NXT who felt this way if a star from the independents was signed. I would see this new signee as another prospect I have to compete with. You would hope these signings would motivate the developmental talents to improve their game and see the new signees as people they can learn from to get better.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 18:38:30 GMT -5
It's a very different situation than The Rock. Rock wrestling once every year or two in the biggest match on the biggest card getting the biggest check is a much more divisive situation. The NXT thing is more like being a 5th round draft pick in the NFL, and your team signs a top-level, veteran free agent at your position.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 23, 2015 19:30:14 GMT -5
It's a very different situation than The Rock. Rock wrestling once every year or two in the biggest match on the biggest card getting the biggest check is a much more divisive situation. The NXT thing is more like being a 5th round draft pick in the NFL, and your team signs a top-level, veteran free agent at your position. It still never made sense to hate Rock as he was the biggest star on the roster when he showed up.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 23, 2015 19:38:43 GMT -5
It would be a natural reaction to be jealous or intimidated. I wouldn't really be critical of someone in NXT who felt this way if a star from the independents was signed. I would see this new signee as another prospect I have to compete with. You would hope these signings would motivate the developmental talents to improve their game and see the new signees as people they can learn from to get better. They ain't improving their game unless the way they're told to work is given a complete overhaul, or one of them is already an office favorite who is going to get so many chances to get over that he'll inevitably improve over time after many years of forced pushes or repackages. There's a reason they're pushing these big Indy guys over them. WWE just chooses to blame the talent for "sucking" rather than realizing their ways are broken and working to correct them.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on May 23, 2015 20:31:39 GMT -5
It was one the reasons that CJ Parker ended up asking for his release, though I think that was more him wanting to up his own game and realizing that he probably wouldn't go any further if he didn't have the same sort of experience that they did.
If that encourages other talents to do the same then maybe it's not the worst idea. You could even have them go on sabbaticals from NXT and have them come back a few years down the road, hopefully showing some marked improvement.
Still, I think alot of them realize who it is that is drawing the crowds right now. If guys like Sami, Owens, and Balor weren't around, realistically would they have seen nearly as much success as they have? I highly doubt main events of Baron Corbin versus Jason Jordan would be setting the world on fire.
Sure, the women's division would probably still be a highlight, but even that's thanks to Sara Del Ray being one of the people down there training the women. If they didn't hire her, chances are nobody would be clamoring for them to main event NXT house shows.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 23, 2015 21:16:11 GMT -5
It was one the reasons that CJ Parker ended up asking for his release, though I think that was more him wanting to up his own game and realizing that he probably wouldn't go any further if he didn't have the same sort of experience that they did. If that encourages other talents to do the same then maybe it's not the worst idea. You could even have them go on sabbaticals from NXT and have them come back a few years down the road, hopefully showing some marked improvement. Still, I think alot of them realize who it is that is drawing the crowds right now. If guys like Sami, Owens, and Balor weren't around, realistically would they have seen nearly as much success as they have? I highly doubt main events of Baron Corbin versus Jason Jordan would be setting the world on fire. Sure, the women's division would probably still be a highlight, but even that's thanks to Sara Del Ray being one of the people down there training the women. If they didn't hire her, chances are nobody would be clamoring for them to main event NXT house shows. WWEshould be allowing both the NXT AND main roster ne'er do wells to work Indy shows. Especially if they're going to have guys like Rhino and Samoa Joe on these types of deals.
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on May 23, 2015 21:24:32 GMT -5
Whoever's upset at this should never get a job...ever.
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Post by xCompackx on May 23, 2015 22:09:39 GMT -5
I see the whole "___ is taking a spot away from the younger guys" and I never understand it. Why does Rock, Undertaker, Brock Lesnar being on the card mean someone else can't be?
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Post by Reflecto on May 23, 2015 22:12:44 GMT -5
It would be a natural reaction to be jealous or intimidated. I wouldn't really be critical of someone in NXT who felt this way if a star from the independents was signed. I would see this new signee as another prospect I have to compete with. You would hope these signings would motivate the developmental talents to improve their game and see the new signees as people they can learn from to get better. That would be a case, but then you still have the same weakness that most of the top independent stars don't particularly mix it up with the homegrown NXT wrestlers (with Tyler Breeze being the only person who really got matches with them.) It'd be a lot easier for the homegrown NXT wrestlers to learn and improve their own games by getting to wrestle the people at the top of the heap more often.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on May 23, 2015 22:33:05 GMT -5
If I was Marcus Louis or Jason Jordan, I'd be mad if I had to miss three months of NXT episodes just so they can repeat Hideo vs Breeze matches.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 23, 2015 22:37:28 GMT -5
It's a different situation. There's probably sometimes envy or resentment, but realistically, the bigger people you work with, the better. Some of them probably studied ROH or PWG matches and might be excited to work with people who may very well have been inspirations to them, and even if not, working with experienced veterans is going to do you good. They would want to learn every damn thing they can muster in developmental, because on the main roster, the magnifying glass is on you at all times, and if you can't impress, you're likely going to be shuffled back or shuffled out.
Joe and Kevin are people they should be learning as much as they can from while they have the chance.
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Post by The Yes Man on May 23, 2015 22:37:54 GMT -5
If I was Marcus Louis or Jason Jordan, I'd be mad if I had to miss three months of NXT episodes just so they can repeat Hideo vs Breeze matches. Let's be honest though, the worst Hideo vs Breeze match is still better than anything Marcus Louis or Jadon Jordan has ever done.
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Post by The Yes Man on May 23, 2015 23:22:30 GMT -5
Of course the worst Hideo vs Breeze match is better than anything Marcus Louis or Jason Jordan have ever done. And that highlights one of the few kinks in the armor of the developmental system. Hideo is proven worldwide and is being allowed to properly transition to the new environment (see his first NXT match compared to his most recent ones). Breeze is quite good and is actually benefiting by getting to work with guys like Neville, Zayn, Kidd, Hideo and Finn often. Are Marcus Louis or Jason Jordan being given the same opportunities to learn and grow or even utilize what they're learned from those talents? When do they even get to work with them? Here's a question. Does it matter if you work with some of the most talented people in your industry if you never actually get to work with some of the most talented people in your industry? About that last part, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't all of them work at the Performance Center pretty much every day? If they wanna work with somebody just be like, "Hey, could you help me out?" I doubt guys like Sami, Finn, Hideo, or Owens are gonna say no.
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