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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:18:54 GMT -5
I think I share the same rage with everyone else that Rhyno has taken away Bull Dempsey's spot. I mean who doesn't want to see more of Bull Dempsey? I despise Bull Dempsey, and I think he's only there as an excuse for WWE to claim that they aren't focused on looks/physiques, and I was a mark for Rhyno when he first arrived in WWE, but yeah, he is kinda taking up space. Rhyno's purpose is basically to give a "rub" to guys who are either bigger stars than he ever was or guys would be pushed as a "threat" anyway whether he was there or not. I think he's the veteran talent to help out train and develop other guys. It's like how every AHL team has former accomplished NHL veterans who don't really have a space anymore in the big clubs but still want to play hockey and still are skilled enough to be on the farm team. Plus some of these veteran talents (Brian Kendrick) seem like are trying out for a coaching/scout/agent job within the WWE. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 25, 2015 14:48:00 GMT -5
It's a different situation. There's probably sometimes envy or resentment, but realistically, the bigger people you work with, the better. Some of them probably studied ROH or PWG matches and might be excited to work with people who may very well have been inspirations to them, and even if not, working with experienced veterans is going to do you good. They would want to learn every damn thing they can muster in developmental, because on the main roster, the magnifying glass is on you at all times, and if you can't impress, you're likely going to be shuffled back or shuffled out. Joe and Kevin are people they should be learning as much as they can from while they have the chance. They're not going to get to learn from Joe or Kevin, because they're never going to get to wrestle Joe or Kevin. And if they do, they're just going to get squashed with no chance to work offense or transitions. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 25, 2015 14:53:17 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is willing to help anyone out. i think everyone rationalizes that "if I teach this scrub what i know, he might become good enough to take my spot and f*** that". I don't think any of those guys will be willing to share knowledge until they retire. I'm just gonna have to say, you're way way wrong, and way too cynical. I still think he's right. And as much as I wish he wasn't right, the truth in the matter is, if they want to get big in WWE, he had better be right, because that's the kind of cut-throat, take-no-prisoners approach that the powers that be on the main roster (Vince, Dunn, etc.) want in their main guys. The quality that Vince respects most in a guy is that cut-throat, Machiavellian schemer that plays for keeps and never lets his guard down. Body like The Mountain, mind like Littlefinger. |
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 25, 2015 14:58:17 GMT -5
But on the other side of that coin, helping people up their game ONLY ups your game and value. If you're seen as a locker room leader, you're automatically more valuable than just a selfish prick is.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 25, 2015 15:23:00 GMT -5
But on the other side of that coin, helping people up their game ONLY ups your game and value. If you're seen as a locker room leader, you're automatically more valuable than just a selfish prick is. Or you're seen as a Paul Burchill, someone who always loses because he's so good at making other people look good. |
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on May 25, 2015 15:32:02 GMT -5
People praise NXT for being a superior product to RAW, but NXT does tend to fall into the same traps that RAW does. Only a select handful of people actually "matter" on NXT; Outside of the tag division and the guys who have nothing but squash matches like Corbin and Rhyno, there is no "midcard" in NXT, just a really bloated "uppercard" where guys appear directionless if they are not currently in a title feud. The tag division is nonexistent outside of whichever teams are currently feuding for the titles.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 25, 2015 15:38:06 GMT -5
If I was Marcus Louis or Jason Jordan, I'd be mad if I had to miss three months of NXT episodes just so they can repeat Hideo vs Breeze matches. If I was Marcus Louis, I would actually try adn get people at house shows to buy my character. Everything we hear about house shows, whether it's from guys like Jericho, or DeMott and Billy Gunn on the ESPN special (regarding Leo Kruger), or even when WWE does one of their little promos about house show tours, house shows are way more relaxed and laid back than TV is. Guys are just allowed to go out there and play to the crowds and adjust to how the atmosphere in the venue is going, rather than having to stick so rigidly to what the show-runners are telling them that they are. I'm thinking specifically about how in the ESPN special, they bring up how people were really into Leo Kruger at house shows, but could not give one single f*** about him on TV... |
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Post by Muskrat on May 25, 2015 15:45:01 GMT -5
Anybody mad at the Balor/Itami/Owens etc all coming in are idiots. Until they got the TV ready talent infusion, how many house shows were they running? How many times was NXT getting promoted on Raw 18 months ago? As the brand grows, opportunity will present itself. Enzo and Cass have gotten over as f***, and Enzo is only just becoming passable in the ring. Get a live crowd to buy into your gimmick, and get yourself over and you'll get your shot at TV. Hideo is out for awhile, I'm not sure what Sami's status is right now, Neville just transitioned to the main roster, there are holes opening up and someone will need to fill them.
And lets be honest, some guys just don't have what it takes to be a star despite seemingly having all the pieces. The world needs jobbers.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 25, 2015 15:49:47 GMT -5
People praise NXT for being a superior product to RAW, but NXT does tend to fall into the same traps that RAW does. Only a select handful of people actually "matter" on NXT; Outside of the tag division and the guys who have nothing but squash matches like Corbin and Rhyno, there is no "midcard" in NXT, just a really bloated "uppercard" where guys appear directionless if they are not currently in a title feud. The tag division is nonexistent outside of whichever teams are currently feuding for the titles. When you really look at it, the biggest difference in how people are treated in NXT, it's in the commentary. Even when CJ Parker was losing left and right, the commentary was geared to talk about that he's a talented guy, he just has to start putting it all together, and if he could string together a few wins, he could get into the title picture. On the main roster, JBL would be calling him a ridiculous goofball and mocking his hair and saying things like "TAKE A SHOWER, YOU DIRTY HIPPIE!" |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:52:42 GMT -5
People praise NXT for being a superior product to RAW, but NXT does tend to fall into the same traps that RAW does. Only a select handful of people actually "matter" on NXT; Outside of the tag division and the guys who have nothing but squash matches like Corbin and Rhyno, there is no "midcard" in NXT, just a really bloated "uppercard" where guys appear directionless if they are not currently in a title feud. The tag division is nonexistent outside of whichever teams are currently feuding for the titles. If someone enjoys a show, they're not going to try and figure out what's bad about it. The reason Raw/WWE gets picked apart so much is because the shows are often not enjoyable, for many reasons. NXT's atmosphere brings out the mark in people, and that's a great thing. |
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 25, 2015 15:56:16 GMT -5
Honestly, why are people so desperately looking to poke holes in NXT? It's an incredibly enjoyable pro wrestling program that's building the future of the biggest company in the world......why on earth are people ACTIVELY looking for things to complain about. And yes, I know "the internet", but seriously....why? It's great, let it be great.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 16:02:16 GMT -5
Honestly, why are people so desperately looking to poke holes in NXT? It's an incredibly enjoyable pro wrestling program that's building the future of the biggest company in the world......why on earth are people ACTIVELY looking for things to complain about. And yes, I know "the internet", but seriously....why? It's great, let it be great. Only a few people seem willing to acknowledge it has the exact same flaws as the main roster. Most overlook it because the top guys ara more internet friendly and less over exposed. I love it, personally, but I am also simultaneously sick of Finn Balor seemingly only wrestling about 3 people since debuting and the only women even mentioned around the title being the same 4. It has issues. People aren't looking to poke holes, they're just not being hypocrites. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 25, 2015 16:06:37 GMT -5
Honestly, why are people so desperately looking to poke holes in NXT? It's an incredibly enjoyable pro wrestling program that's building the future of the biggest company in the world......why on earth are people ACTIVELY looking for things to complain about. And yes, I know "the internet", but seriously....why? It's great, let it be great. It's not about poking holes in NXT. It's about that some people have become fans of the homegrown "lesser lights" that the vast majority here don't care about. People that might have taken to a Big Cass or the Vaudevillains or Murphy or even Baron Corbin, and want to see them get a chance to work with a Sami Zayn, a Finn Balor, etc..., so that they might get that opportunity to experience what it takes to be in the ring with them, what it takes to hang with them, how an internationally experienced, well-traveled indie star transitions, how they use their space in the ring, what they give you, what they take from you, etc. And they're not going to get that if they're only stuck working with Jason Jordan, Mojo Rawley, Enzo Amore (incredibly over as Enzo is), and Bull Dempsey. |
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 25, 2015 16:14:02 GMT -5
Honestly, why are people so desperately looking to poke holes in NXT? It's an incredibly enjoyable pro wrestling program that's building the future of the biggest company in the world......why on earth are people ACTIVELY looking for things to complain about. And yes, I know "the internet", but seriously....why? It's great, let it be great. It's not about poking holes in NXT. It's about that some people have become fans of the homegrown "lesser lights" that the vast majority here don't care about. People that might have taken to a Big Cass or the Vaudevillains or Murphy or even Baron Corbin, and want to see them get a chance to work with a Sami Zayn, a Finn Balor, etc..., so that they might get that opportunity to experience what it takes to be in the ring with them, what it takes to hang with them, how an internationally experienced, well-traveled indie star transitions, how they use their space in the ring, what they give you, what they take from you, etc. And they're not going to get that if they're only stuck working with Jason Jordan, Mojo Rawley, Enzo Amore (incredibly over as Enzo is), and Bull Dempsey. Except here's the thing: You're projecting YOUR view of things as a fan onto their reality as performers who literally work together every day. You honestly believe the younger, more centrally trained guys aren't learning anything from the Zayns, Owens, and Balors? They're training together every day. You're making a LOT of assumptions that you can't possibly know, but state them as facts. |
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on May 26, 2015 6:06:29 GMT -5
If anything, I kind of thought that savvy vets from the indies could teach the home grown guys some in ring experiences. But that never happens because the Indy guys are in a bubble and other than Tyler Breeze and the occasional main roster ne'er do well like Kidd or Riley (who is hanging around NXT to work on his craft but really didn't get to because his feud with Owens were glorified squashes/filler), no one gets to work with them. And when they do, it's usually just two minute jobber squash. there probably is some resentment, but the fact of the matter is that guys like Owens/Zayn/Neville have more experience than the Johnny Ace specials and it shouldn't surprise anyone that a guy like Triple H puts more faith in them. The "Johnny Ace Specials" are not given the proper opportunities to work on their craft to even get better in the first place. It's a stupid catch 22 that hurts a lot of talents. Kevin Owens and friends are more experienced. The "homegrown" talents are not as experienced, so they're not allowed to try to gain experience because they aren't experienced enough. There's a lot wrong with that. Lol that NXT now needs a farm system under them. |
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on May 26, 2015 6:07:04 GMT -5
I think I share the same rage with everyone else that Rhyno has taken away Bull Dempsey's spot. I mean who doesn't want to see more of Bull Dempsey? I know you're being sarcastic, but there's a kernel of truth in humor... |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 6:25:46 GMT -5
It's not about poking holes in NXT. It's about that some people have become fans of the homegrown "lesser lights" that the vast majority here don't care about. People that might have taken to a Big Cass or the Vaudevillains or Murphy or even Baron Corbin, and want to see them get a chance to work with a Sami Zayn, a Finn Balor, etc..., so that they might get that opportunity to experience what it takes to be in the ring with them, what it takes to hang with them, how an internationally experienced, well-traveled indie star transitions, how they use their space in the ring, what they give you, what they take from you, etc. And they're not going to get that if they're only stuck working with Jason Jordan, Mojo Rawley, Enzo Amore (incredibly over as Enzo is), and Bull Dempsey. Except here's the thing: You're projecting YOUR view of things as a fan onto their reality as performers who literally work together every day. You honestly believe the younger, more centrally trained guys aren't learning anything from the Zayns, Owens, and Balors? They're training together every day. You're making a LOT of assumptions that you can't possibly know, but state them as facts. And it's not like "oh! Kevin Owens showed me how to do this thing, now I'm amazing at it and just as good a wrestler as he is!" It took Owens a long time to get as good as he is, him showing Jason Jordan a thing or two doesn't make a super-wrestler over night. |
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