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Post by Baby, it’s Jes outside on May 25, 2015 8:26:40 GMT -5
What's the point of Super-Cena? It's obvious he doesn't overcome the odds anymore, the odds need to overcome him now, ala Chuck Norris. He still shows no sign of vulnerability. Kevin Owens notwithstanding, Cena will be all Southern Baptist preacher/stand up comic on the next Raw. No real reason to worry there. EVERY hero in fiction has shown some kind of weakness, some kind of SERIOUS obstacle to overcome, except Cena. Hell, even Superman has kryptonite. So what's the point with Super-Cena? Is he the now the unlockable super-boss, in lieu of Lesnar?
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Post by Madagascar Fred on May 25, 2015 8:29:45 GMT -5
Umm he almost lost to Neville, got punked by Owens, won against Zayn because of Sami's shoulder injury...is that looking superstrong to you?
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Post by Ruthless Pessimism on May 25, 2015 9:27:12 GMT -5
Sometimes just having a good wrestler is its own reward.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on May 25, 2015 9:34:09 GMT -5
I honestly think Cena actively wants to help get new superstars over. He's probably the least selfish top guy in WWE in decades, maybe ever.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on May 25, 2015 9:59:45 GMT -5
I honestly think Cena actively wants to help get new superstars over. He's probably the least selfish top guy in WWE in decades, maybe ever. Also, unlike Hogan and HBK when they were on top, he's not gonna threaten to no-show or get the higher ups to fire your ass if you don't push his buddies or the guys he wants pushed accordingly. The actual push is up to the winds, not just Cena making you look good.
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Post by bigjohnsons on May 25, 2015 10:12:15 GMT -5
Umm he almost lost to Neville, got punked by Owens, won against Zayn because of Sami's shoulder injury...is that looking superstrong to you? Well he didn't lose either
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on May 25, 2015 10:22:40 GMT -5
No this thread should be in TNA and about Kurt Angle and I am being one hundred percent serious about it. Cena has actually looked weaker recently
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 10:27:14 GMT -5
He's putting guys over without being beaten for the title. If he loses the title to one of them, how can he keep doing that? Also, when they decide who the guy finally is that DOES beat him clean, it will give that guy a huge rub because of all the great matches Cena had with everyone else.
Some people don't understand simple, basic wrestling booking.
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Post by xCompackx on May 25, 2015 11:35:18 GMT -5
For as much flak as John Cena gets, his problem as a character was never that he didn't take losses when it was important to do so. They just have no idea how to sell a loss without Vince being afraid that they're making John look too weak. For example, the night after Brock won the WWE Championship, John Cena came out immediately asking for a rematch rather than selling the 16 or so Suplexes he took and the multiple F5's. It's okay to be the "never say die" hero, but you can't just pretend a brutal match didn't happen.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on May 25, 2015 11:46:47 GMT -5
I have to wonder are the Cena critics watching wrestling for the first time? Did you guys actually live through Hogan's Rock and Wrestling reign? Hogan would have his ribs crushed on a Saturday and be on talkshows laughing with the host by the next monday. Or Stone Cold stunnering the entire roster and them just rolling over and letting him run towards Vince. Or Triple H solo eating entire tag teams on his way to give his 20 minute monologues.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on May 25, 2015 12:02:26 GMT -5
My only problem with Cena right now is that he should've been booked like this at least three years ago.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on May 25, 2015 12:05:53 GMT -5
It's the thing at the end of the pencil. DUH.
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on May 25, 2015 12:17:58 GMT -5
What's the point of Super-Cena? It's obvious he doesn't overcome the odds anymore, the odds need to overcome him now, ala Chuck Norris. He still shows no sign of vulnerability. Kevin Owens notwithstanding, Cena will be all Southern Baptist preacher/stand up comic on the next Raw. No real reason to worry there. EVERY hero in fiction has shown some kind of weakness, some kind of SERIOUS obstacle to overcome, except Cena. Hell, even Superman has kryptonite. So what's the point with Super-Cena? Is he the now the unlockable super-boss, in lieu of Lesnar? I'd say he's more comparable to Undertaker at this point. John Cena is reaching near mythical godlike status of booking. I really wonder if the open challenge or this title reign is doing anyone any good at all.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 25, 2015 12:35:27 GMT -5
The real tragedy is how his booking has blinded people to how good he is.
Hopefully the anger will fade as time passes, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by Baby, it’s Jes outside on May 25, 2015 13:10:38 GMT -5
What's the point of Super-Cena? It's obvious he doesn't overcome the odds anymore, the odds need to overcome him now, ala Chuck Norris. He still shows no sign of vulnerability. Kevin Owens notwithstanding, Cena will be all Southern Baptist preacher/stand up comic on the next Raw. No real reason to worry there. EVERY hero in fiction has shown some kind of weakness, some kind of SERIOUS obstacle to overcome, except Cena. Hell, even Superman has kryptonite. So what's the point with Super-Cena? Is he the now the unlockable super-boss, in lieu of Lesnar? I'd say he's more comparable to Undertaker at this point. John Cena is reaching near mythical godlike status of booking. I really wonder if the open challenge or this title reign is doing anyone any good at all. Kind of my point.
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 25, 2015 13:29:18 GMT -5
I hate this idea that you can only put somebody over by losing to them. Triple H lost plenty of times without putting people over and Cena put plenty of people over without losing to them.
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Post by molson5 on May 25, 2015 15:12:28 GMT -5
He's a 15-time champion I think, so obviously he has lost many times along the way.
The "point" of Cena is that he's the top star in the company, he's been stable and durable, and advertiser and business partner-friendly. He sells tons of merchandise and is loved by the company's most important demographic. He's also put on some great matches over the years and has earned the respect of many from other demographics.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on May 25, 2015 15:20:08 GMT -5
I agree that Cena's booking has generally always been dull. I also never felt he's ever been in jeopardy of losing since he won the US belt, he might do his best to make Stardust and whoever look good, but the ending is telegraphed.
But to play devil's advocate on what the point is, say pro wrestling was real. Ronda Rousey has been winning with ease apparently, what's the point or appeal there? Cena is the superman in kayfabe so he is going to win his matches. In theory it has the same point as watching any dominant figure in sports. (That said, I don't do that either)
I think it's boring, but that's a bit different than if it has a point. Wrestling in general is just there to entertain, Cena fans would like to see him win.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 25, 2015 15:22:42 GMT -5
I honestly think Cena actively wants to help get new superstars over. He's probably the least selfish top guy in WWE in decades, maybe ever. Rusev Agrees.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on May 25, 2015 15:34:39 GMT -5
I honestly think Cena actively wants to help get new superstars over. He's probably the least selfish top guy in WWE in decades, maybe ever. Rusev Agrees. I bet he does, actually.
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