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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 3:42:51 GMT -5
The Canadian raw that Bruce took an ailing Stu to had the main event finish of (heel) Austin beating Benoit with the sharpshooter in a screwjob finish in front of where Stu was sitting. I think that was designed to rub salt in Brets wounds further.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jun 27, 2015 11:37:30 GMT -5
The man pays for anyone to rehab if they have worked for him once in their lives. He's a class act, period. Edit: double period. Yeah, even if I am cynical that is amazing. Gonna be the cynical ass here and say that's for PR. I agree with Punk when he says that all these "kind" things aren't out of the good of his heart. I also remember Sunny's complaint that they sent her to a really shiny looking rehab, and then the day after Linda's election run, immediately had her kicked out and gave her the allowance for about a month of a really crappy one, then did the big PR statement after she snitched on this of "well, we gave her the chance so now she can screw it"
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Post by 4TheGlory on Jun 27, 2015 14:26:05 GMT -5
Yeah, even if I am cynical that is amazing. Gonna be the cynical ass here and say that's for PR. I agree with Punk when he says that all these "kind" things aren't out of the good of his heart. I also remember Sunny's complaint that they sent her to a really shiny looking rehab, and then the day after Linda's election run, immediately had her kicked out and gave her the allowance for about a month of a really crappy one, then did the big PR statement after she snitched on this of "well, we gave her the chance so now she can screw it" The WWE owed her absolutely nothing. At the end of the day she was complaining about getting something for free.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 27, 2015 15:25:04 GMT -5
Yeah, even if I am cynical that is amazing. Gonna be the cynical ass here and say that's for PR. I agree with Punk when he says that all these "kind" things aren't out of the good of his heart. I also remember Sunny's complaint that they sent her to a really shiny looking rehab, and then the day after Linda's election run, immediately had her kicked out and gave her the allowance for about a month of a really crappy one, then did the big PR statement after she snitched on this of "well, we gave her the chance so now she can screw it" While I'm also pretty cynical about the character of the McMahon family, if there's one person who I don't take what they say at face value, it's Sunny.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Jun 27, 2015 15:45:23 GMT -5
Some of the Harts actually attended a RAW in Canada after Owen's death. Bruce, Diana and others took the clearly out-of-it Stu, as a show of 'solidarity' with the WWE and to 'mend bridges'. Really it was because Bruce wanted money to restart Stampede Wrestling and Diana was trying to get Davy Boy back into the company. Bret, surprisingly enough, was not okay with them going. And her certainly wasn't okay with the 'Hi, Bret' sign one of them waved at the camera. I remember the Harts on an episode of RAW in Calgary (don't think I went to it thought) but I don't remember this. That's awesome.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Jun 27, 2015 16:14:25 GMT -5
Diana seems to be kind of the nutcase of the family. Bruce is basically by all accounts a slimy weasel. Flawed as he is, Bret actually seems to be the closest to being a normal, well-adjusted person out of the lot of them. The ones who died early (Owen and Dean) also very likeable. And the few who didn't stay in the wrestling business are surely average people. Funny how all the Hart girls (all married wrestlers) had the [third generation] kids who grew up to be wrestlers.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 27, 2015 16:22:36 GMT -5
Flawed as he is, Bret actually seems to be the closest to being a normal, well-adjusted person out of the lot of them. The ones who died early (Owen and Dean) also very likeable. And the few who didn't stay in the wrestling business are surely average people. Well, I was speaking specifically of the ones who are still alive and have been or still are in the wrestling business. Owen certainly had a much more level head on his shoulders, which makes his passing all the more sad.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Jun 27, 2015 17:57:32 GMT -5
The ones who died early (Owen and Dean) also very likeable. And the few who didn't stay in the wrestling business are surely average people. Well, I was speaking specifically of the ones who are still alive and have been or still are in the wrestling business. Owen certainly had a much more level head on his shoulders, which makes his passing all the more sad. A ha! Understood. On that same topic: Someone once asked Bret: Aside from Owen, how many siblings do you like? His answer: 4/10 {Joke time over}
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jun 27, 2015 18:21:12 GMT -5
Flawed as he is, Bret actually seems to be the closest to being a normal, well-adjusted person out of the lot of them. The ones who died early (Owen and Dean) also very likeable. And the few who didn't stay in the wrestling business are surely average people. Funny how all the Hart girls (all married wrestlers) had the [third generation] kids who grew up to be wrestlers. Even Owen and Dean did some questionable things though. Owen obviously with the whole Austin situation, believing that Austin was making the injury out to be worse than it actually was and not even apologising. And if I remember correctly from Bret's book, I believe Dean stole a few grand from Bret. Bret even said that he never looked at Dean the same way after that. Similarly, it's okay saying Vince is a class act for paying for people's rehab, but it's easy to forget all the scummy things he's done over the years too. I guess my point is that none of the people mentioned in this thread are saints, but then again we all do bad things from time to time.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jun 27, 2015 18:48:00 GMT -5
The ones who died early (Owen and Dean) also very likeable. And the few who didn't stay in the wrestling business are surely average people. Funny how all the Hart girls (all married wrestlers) had the [third generation] kids who grew up to be wrestlers. Even Owen and Dean did some questionable things though. Owen obviously with the whole Austin situation, believing that Austin was making the injury out to be worse than it actually was and not even apologising. And if I remember correctly from Bret's book, I believe Dean stole a few grand from Bret. Bret even said that he never looked at Dean the same way after that. Similarly, it's okay saying Vince is a class act for paying for people's rehab, but it's easy to forget all the scummy things he's done over the years too. I guess my point is that none of the people mentioned in this thread are saints, but then again we all do bad things from time to time. That's why I said 'at times'.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jun 27, 2015 18:57:40 GMT -5
Even Owen and Dean did some questionable things though. Owen obviously with the whole Austin situation, believing that Austin was making the injury out to be worse than it actually was and not even apologising. And if I remember correctly from Bret's book, I believe Dean stole a few grand from Bret. Bret even said that he never looked at Dean the same way after that. Similarly, it's okay saying Vince is a class act for paying for people's rehab, but it's easy to forget all the scummy things he's done over the years too. I guess my point is that none of the people mentioned in this thread are saints, but then again we all do bad things from time to time. That's why I said 'at times'. I was more referring to the guy who quoted you, who said he was a class act period.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 27, 2015 19:38:54 GMT -5
If I was Bret, I would have never had anything to do with Vince or WWE in general after the way he was treated, and after what happened with Owen.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 27, 2015 19:42:50 GMT -5
I love how Vince was one of the first to call up Bret after the stroke. He can be such a class act at times. The man pays for anyone to rehab if they have worked for him once in their lives. He's a class act, period. Edit: double period. I'm willing to give Vince credit all the credit in the world for paying for funerals of former talent to help out their families, taking care of his father's guys, reaching out to people who've endured personal tragedies and such, but the rehab thing was purely a PR move after the media started paying attention to former talent dropping dead at alarmingly early ages when the WWE's brutal schedule and push to make guys work through injuries is why so many have developed substance problems in the first place. I don't think a true class act could be aware of how so many of his former workers have become addicts, how many live in chronic pain or have died early yet still ask present day guys to rush back from surgery for his benefit, even putting them in a dangerous gimmick matches to boot.
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Post by nisidhe on Jun 27, 2015 22:41:26 GMT -5
The Canadian raw that Bruce took an ailing Stu to had the main event finish of (heel) Austin beating Benoit with the sharpshooter in a screwjob finish in front of where Stu was sitting. I think that was designed to rub salt in Brets wounds further. I seem to recall from Bret's book (looked it up: pages 529 and 530) that Benoit and Jericho had actually called Bret after the show in Edmonton about Stu's state. How awkward must those conversations have been for Bret, to hear more concern for one's father from younger colleagues and friends than from one's own siblings? Owen would have been fifty in May. I think it's safe to assume that each of the siblings have long passed the stage in their lives for maintaining any forced relationships with one another. You might see them gathered at the funerals, or the weddings for the kids. You are _not_ likely to see another mass gathering of the clan in the future, though. They will not have the same impact, nor will there be nearly as much of a show.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jun 28, 2015 3:24:42 GMT -5
That's why I said 'at times'. I was more referring to the guy who quoted you, who said he was a class act period. Not complaining, just clarifying.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 4:07:16 GMT -5
The Canadian raw that Bruce took an ailing Stu to had the main event finish of (heel) Austin beating Benoit with the sharpshooter in a screwjob finish in front of where Stu was sitting. I think that was designed to rub salt in Brets wounds further. I doubt it was that malicious. It was probably just to get heat from the Canadian crowd.
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Post by DjZonk on Jun 28, 2015 8:35:58 GMT -5
The Canadian raw that Bruce took an ailing Stu to had the main event finish of (heel) Austin beating Benoit with the sharpshooter in a screwjob finish in front of where Stu was sitting. I think that was designed to rub salt in Brets wounds further. I doubt it was that malicious. It was probably just to get heat from the Canadian crowd. I think there is every chance in the world it was to be malicious. WWE have a long history of being insecure, spiteful and petty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2015 9:15:19 GMT -5
The Canadian raw that Bruce took an ailing Stu to had the main event finish of (heel) Austin beating Benoit with the sharpshooter in a screwjob finish in front of where Stu was sitting. I think that was designed to rub salt in Brets wounds further. Doubt it. Vince was trying to amend fences with Bret Hart months after the screwjob incident. Plus I doubt Austin who was the wrestler with the most say at the tie and possibly Benoit wouldn't have gone through with it if he figured this was used to insult to Bret. I doubt Stu Hart or the Hart Family would of went throught with it as well.
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Post by Prince Petty on Jun 28, 2015 11:12:58 GMT -5
The Canadian raw that Bruce took an ailing Stu to had the main event finish of (heel) Austin beating Benoit with the sharpshooter in a screwjob finish in front of where Stu was sitting. I think that was designed to rub salt in Brets wounds further. Doubt it. Vince was trying to amend fences with Bret Hart months after the screwjob incident. Plus I doubt Austin who was the wrestler with the most say at the tie and possibly Benoit wouldn't have gone through with it if he figured this was used to insult to Bret. I doubt Stu Hart or the Hart Family would of went throught with it as well. The story as a whole suggests that Stu was not really with it, through the whole event. He was ailing at the time, which was one of Bret's bigger issues with Bruce and Diana carting him along to a show. And with the way relations were at the time, I think Bruce and Diana would have happily reenacted the screwjob themselves, especially if Vince threw a bit of cash at them. I have no idea whether Vince thought screwjob reenactments were going to hurt Bret personally or not, but he sure seemed to love doing them. It's a spot that gets a lot of heat, especially in Canada, so in that respect it's understandable.
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Post by mizerable on Jun 28, 2015 11:23:43 GMT -5
I never heard anything bad about Wayne Hart from what I recall in Bret's book.
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