|
|
Post by ricreckless on Jun 28, 2015 14:52:10 GMT -5
Shawn/Razor ladder match maybe? Probably had the most weapon usage (even if it was all ladders) of a match from that time. First match that popped in my head when i saw this thread. |
|
|
|
Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 28, 2015 15:22:33 GMT -5
Sgt. Slaughter vs. Iron Sheik in a series of Boot Camp matches in 1984 would probably be up there. This is the objective answer, considering the OP's parameters. Pretty much. piper and valentine in 82 if that counts... It wouldn't, since it was in Crockett's JCP promotion and climaxed at Starrcade, not in the WWF. |
|
MolotovMocktail
Grimlock
Home of the 5-time, 5-time, 5-time, 5-time 5-time Super Bowl Champion 49ers-and Wrestlemania 31
Posts: 13,954
Member is Online
|
Post by MolotovMocktail on Jun 28, 2015 22:56:17 GMT -5
Hogan and Schultz had double juice brawls in 84. If you ever saw that Hulkamania Running Wild tape, there's a match with Schultz on there called the Minneapolis Massacre, about 1984-Hogan had a crimson mask, and Schultz was bleeding bad too. |
|
|
|
Post by thegame415 on Jun 28, 2015 23:24:18 GMT -5
For what became known as Hardcore matches during the Monday Night Wars, I would say Cactus Jack vs Triple H from September 1997 would be the first example of that brawling, weapon overload style in WWF.
|
|
Cranjis McBasketball
Crow T. Robot
Knew what the hell that thing was supposed to be
Peace Love and Nothing But
Posts: 41,865
|
Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 29, 2015 2:19:38 GMT -5
I'll add and maybe it doesn't exactly fit, but Bret vs. Nash at RR 95. Remember as a kid and a HUGE Bret mark, how aggressive he was in the this match and worked closer to a heel. As a giant Bret fan for life, I noted it, even at 12 years old.
|
|
|
|
Post by StormanReigns on Jun 29, 2015 2:34:32 GMT -5
HBK/Mankind was the first hardcore type of match I remember seeing.
A lot of the matches people are naming may have looked hardcore at the time, but HBK/Mankind looked a lot closer to the hardcore we would see in 1998-2002
|
|
ToyfareMark
Vegeta
A WINNER IS YOU!
In Hutch I trust!
Posts: 9,589 
|
Post by ToyfareMark on Jun 30, 2015 11:56:26 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan and Harley Race had some pretty brutal Texas death matches in 1987 that were featured on Coliseum Video. Pretty hardcore for the time.
|
|
Mozenrath
FANatic
Foppery and Whim
Speedy Speed Boy
Posts: 121,011
|
Post by Mozenrath on Jun 30, 2015 12:10:08 GMT -5
Sgt. Slaughter vs. Iron Sheik in a series of Boot Camp matches in 1984 would probably be up there. This is the objective answer, considering the OP's parameters. Hell of a bump to the outside by Slaughter, and Sheik did a good job selling his offense. I can see why Mick mentioned those matches specifically as favorites of his. |
|
Sephiroth
Wade Wilson
Surviving
Posts: 28,884
|
Post by Sephiroth on Jun 30, 2015 20:26:04 GMT -5
Mankind vs Undertaker boiler room brawl?
|
|
Vern
Hank Scorpio
Almighty Malachi.
Posts: 5,215
|
Post by Vern on Jun 30, 2015 20:42:17 GMT -5
I'm confused, are people just naming random hardcore matches that they liked now from any era? If so, put me down for a fan of that brutal Ziggler vs Harper ladder match.
The OP asked for the first WWE hardcore match of the Hogan era (which I'm assuming as starting in Jan 84) and that's been answered correctly as being the Boot Camp matches in mid-84.
|
|
|
|
Post by turkeysandwich on Jun 30, 2015 22:15:00 GMT -5
Anything as hardcore back then as this?  I'm sorry for showing such brutality. |
|
brody
Don Corleone
Posts: 1,463
|
Post by brody on Jul 2, 2015 20:39:34 GMT -5
Didn't a Hogan/Slaughter match in MSG end up brawling in the hallway by the entry way, perhaps the only time I remember seeing that.
That match might not be right though.
|
|
|
|
Post by Joe Neglia on Jul 3, 2015 18:01:27 GMT -5
This is the objective answer, considering the OP's parameters. Hell of a bump to the outside by Slaughter Slaughter is one of the most underrated bump machines in the business. It was really the best thing he still had to bring to the table during his '90s WWF run. |
|
|
|
Post by Saul Goodman on Jul 3, 2015 21:34:21 GMT -5
I think the first match in WWF history that was billed as a hardcore match was Mick Foley Vs Terry Funk. The ECW invasion in 1997 could of also been billed as hardcore matches, but I forgot if they were.
|
|
|
|
Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Jul 5, 2015 4:13:31 GMT -5
Not WWF but I've been watching episodes of the awesome Pro Wrestling This Week from the 80's (a show hosted by Gordon Solie and Joe Pedicino which shows highlights of matches, interviews and news items from all the different territories, even some WWF, and a segment with Bill Apter, I'm addicted) and each week they have a "Mat Classic" showing an old school match. I was watching one last night and they showed The Sheik vs Sam Shell from Detroit in 1963 and during the match Sheik throws at chair at Sam on the outside ( 39.35 for the segment, 40.25 for the chair bit) and even though that was the only "hardcore" thing in the match I had just been reading this thread and was thinking how revolutionary that must have been at the time and the fact that it's in colour makes it look like 15 years ahead of it's time, that has to be the earliest in-colour match I have ever seen. Appropriate that his nephew Sabu would be throwing chairs at people decades later. |
|
|
|
Post by Chuckie Finster on Jul 6, 2015 2:44:08 GMT -5
What year was the PAtterson / Slaughter street fight? That was hardcore for the time, but timid by modern standards. Nothing about Slaughter's blade job was timid. As mentioned, Slaughter is one of the best sellers in wrestling. Any young wrestler should watch that Patterson/Slaughter alley fight match and just watch the selling. As far as the hardcore style as it pertains to using weapons, Foley brought that kind of style to WWF in 96/97 and it was copied. |
|
Vern
Hank Scorpio
Almighty Malachi.
Posts: 5,215
|
Post by Vern on Jul 6, 2015 7:01:36 GMT -5
As far as the hardcore style as it pertains to using weapons, Foley brought that kind of style to WWF in 96/97 and it was copied. You made that definitive statement, but you're way, way off man. Not even in the same ballpark as right. There's been multiple examples in this thread in fact disproving that. I'm a huge Foley fan but he didn't bring the "style" of using weapons to the WWF. He was just the face of a time period where hardcore matches started happening way more often. Hardcore matches had been happening for decades... plunder, blood, sick bumps etc, it's just that those matches were used far more sparingly in the WWF during the Hulkamania and New Generation eras. Foley (and the creation of the Hardcore Title) just opened the floodgates. |
|
|
|
Post by abjordans on Jul 6, 2015 8:05:50 GMT -5
Wasn't there a pretty wild Hogan/Funk match, from Terry's real brief late 80's WWF run, on a SNME that got pretty wild? Didn't funk piledrive The Hulkster on a table.
|
|
67 more
King Koopa
He's just a Sexy Kurt
Posts: 11,491
|
Post by 67 more on Jul 6, 2015 8:11:06 GMT -5
Anything as hardcore back then as this? I'm sorry for showing such brutality. That may be the shortest attempt at a balcony dive I've ever seen. |
|
Crappler El 0 M
Dalek
Never Forgets an Octagon
I'm a good R-Truth.
Posts: 58,479
|
Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 6, 2015 18:14:33 GMT -5
My first thought was Patterson/Slaughter. In the 1970s, WWE did have some Russian Chain and Texas Bullrope matches.
|
|
