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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jun 29, 2015 22:41:26 GMT -5
I literally prefer the drama that's going on behind the scenes at the sinking ship that is TNA over WWE right now. In truth I prefer New Japan, Lucha Underground and ROH over WWE any day. It just doesn't hold my interest. I really only watch to see Dolph, Seth, Dean and hot Nikki. The backstage happenings in TNA and their drama (and idiot ass tweets) is easily the most entertaining thing in wrestling in quite some time. I feel giddy and excited when a new TNA thread pop ups. Whatever incredible buffoonery I'm about to read is sure to beat any professional wrestling story going on.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 22:41:43 GMT -5
The sad thing is you don't need to watch WWE to know what's going on. I can just sorta guess and talk on here and unless I tell you I didn't watch, you won't ever notice.
Random posts that give match results give me all I need to tell you exactly how a match went, including spots in the match that no one mentioned.
Someone being able to tell you how a 3 hour show went just with a few sentences of info about it is pretty f***ed. Of course, 98% of the time no one needs to tell you the match results you already know if you've watched wrestling much.
Think about trying to do that with something else that goes 3 hours on TV.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 29, 2015 22:42:54 GMT -5
I literally prefer the drama that's going on behind the scenes at the sinking ship that is TNA over WWE right now. In truth I prefer New Japan, Lucha Underground and ROH over WWE any day. It just doesn't hold my interest. I really only watch to see Dolph, Seth, Dean and hot Nikki. The backstage happenings in TNA and their drama (and idiot ass tweets) is easily the most entertaining thing in wrestling in quite some time. I feel giddy and excited when a new TNA thread pop ups. Whatever incredible buffoonery I'm about to read is sure to beat any professional wrestling story going on. TNA is essentially a real-life version of a wrestling company featured on a sitcom that focuses on pro wrestling.
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Post by Chiral on Jun 29, 2015 22:43:14 GMT -5
Hey guys come on, wait and see. You're all acting entitled™.
Seriously though, yeah it's BAD. Rollins isn't working, the Authority is awful, Steph and Triple H have to be cool heels and never get enough comeuppance, etc. It's getting nearly unwatchable and I think the thread page count tonight shows that. F**king Slammiversary got a higher page count.
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Post by Lancers on Jun 29, 2015 22:43:13 GMT -5
By far the sickest thing you've ever written. I don't know. I did just make a post about a deceased woman's dildo from the Reconstruction Era in the U.S. about a half hour ago.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 29, 2015 22:44:18 GMT -5
The worst part is that it's not "IWC" bad, where the live audience and casual fans are happy but the hardcore fans hate it. It's just BAD bad. The casual fan likely hated the ending of the past two RAWs just as much as we did. Who are they booking for when no one is happy? There's nothing wrong with having the bad guys win to end the show, but having it happen on consecutive shows will pretty much wear down any viewer, casual or hardcore. But then we end up with LOL 50/50 BOOKING. People don't like THAT, either. At what point do we ask, "OK, the face can't be too strong. The heel can't be too strong. They can't be exactly equal. What the hell CAN they book?"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 22:45:27 GMT -5
The worst part is that it's not "IWC" bad, where the live audience and casual fans are happy but the hardcore fans hate it. It's just BAD bad. The casual fan likely hated the ending of the past two RAWs just as much as we did. Who are they booking for when no one is happy? There's nothing wrong with having the bad guys win to end the show, but having it happen on consecutive shows will pretty much wear down any viewer, casual or hardcore. Especially when it's the least charismatic bad guys.
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Post by FAR5222 on Jun 29, 2015 22:45:21 GMT -5
Oh don't worry January isn't far off... Nah WWE managed to not make me enjoy this years Mania build at all. Sure there are great matches happening but why should I care? I want late 2012-to the night after Mania 30 WWE back so much right now especially a healthy Bryan in the main event scene.
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Post by xCompackx on Jun 29, 2015 22:45:51 GMT -5
WWE isn't bad. Its sterile. A safe, formulaic product with the same types of opening segments, in ring timing for commercial breaks, commentary cliches, and repeated finishes. Oh you'll get good matches and an admirable segment here and there (see stuff with Owens and Cena) in the same sense your school cafeteria will occasionally have a nice dessert snack amidst all the usual bland crap they serve. But they're exceptions, diamonds in the dull rough that are good enough to potentially bring you back next week, but not quite quality enough to the point of actually elevating the show. The good news is WWE won't likely have godawful bad segments like one would see on certain Nitro's or Impacts. It just happen to come at the price of the show having a soul. It's pretty incredible what sponsors, associating with charities, Mattel having too much input, network politics, and Vince being generally insane can do to a wrestling show. I mean, WWE didn't just become the clean, watered-down, cliche of a company because they suddenly felt like producing PG content. This is what happens when you take a form of entertainment and sacrificing quality creative ideas for whatever makes WWE the most money while appeasing the people who have too much say. Is that wrong of them to do? Not really; everybody loves money. It's just pretty sad when the largest wrestling company in the world doesn't really care about wrestling anymore.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 29, 2015 22:46:35 GMT -5
There's nothing wrong with having the bad guys win to end the show, but having it happen on consecutive shows will pretty much wear down any viewer, casual or hardcore. But then we end up with LOL 50/50 BOOKING. People don't like THAT, either. At what point do we ask, "OK, the face can't be too strong. The heel can't be strong. They can't be exactly equal. What the hell CAN they book?" For this, I think we can look back to the Attitude Era to see what made that compelling watching, aside from the raunchiness and whatnot.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jun 29, 2015 22:47:14 GMT -5
WWE isn't bad. Its sterile. A safe, formulaic product with the same types of opening segments, in ring timing for commercial breaks, commentary cliches, and repeated finishes. Oh you'll get good matches and an admirable segment here and there (see stuff with Owens and Cena) in the same sense your school cafeteria will occasionally have a nice dessert snack amidst all the usual bland crap they serve. But they're exceptions, diamonds in the dull rough that are good enough to potentially bring you back next week, but not quite quality enough to the point of actually elevating the show. The good news is WWE won't likely have godawful bad segments like one would see on certain Nitro's or Impacts. It just happen to come at the price of the show having a soul. They're not terrible. Terrible was Raw in 2009 when even with good celebrity hosts it was a glorified variety show. The real problem is that they're in a slow period right now partly because of how Lesnar's schedule works. I'm not going to say it's been perfect, but I think things will turn around when Seth loses the WWE Title. Which is looking all the more likely with Lesnar and Sheamus looming over him. Personally, I'm hoping somehow Sheamus will cash in on Seth. Then they can maybe do a trilple threat or just have Sheamus vs. Lesnar. You know, a couple of years ago I'd agree. I figured safe and boring while generally doing the "right" thing was better than things being so ridiculous and stupid that you can't look away. But after 2 years of boring show after boring show, I changed my mind. I want the shit. I want the OTT booking. I want silly gimmicks. And so help me god....I want swerves. I never thought I'd say this, but if somehow Vince Russo was offered booking control of WWE, I'd be praising the heavens. Wrestling is supposed to be entertainment. And if WWE's key weekly TV show isn't entertaining, then that's a big problem.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 29, 2015 22:48:33 GMT -5
But then we end up with LOL 50/50 BOOKING. People don't like THAT, either. At what point do we ask, "OK, the face can't be too strong. The heel can't be strong. They can't be exactly equal. What the hell CAN they book?" For this, I think we can look back to the Attitude Era to see what made that compelling watching, aside from the raunchiness and whatnot. So... lot of skits with vehicles, then?
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Post by LuchaBella on Jun 29, 2015 22:48:57 GMT -5
I literally prefer the drama that's going on behind the scenes at the sinking ship that is TNA over WWE right now. In truth I prefer New Japan, Lucha Underground and ROH over WWE any day. It just doesn't hold my interest. I really only watch to see Dolph, Seth, Dean and hot Nikki. The backstage happenings in TNA and their drama (and idiot ass tweets) is easily the most entertaining thing in wrestling in quite some time. I feel giddy and excited when a new TNA thread pop ups. Whatever incredible buffoonery I'm about to read is sure to beat any professional wrestling story going on. It is super entertaining! Just when you think it couldn't get worse, and that you've heard it all, something else pops up. I look forward to it honestly.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 29, 2015 22:51:23 GMT -5
For this, I think we can look back to the Attitude Era to see what made that compelling watching, aside from the raunchiness and whatnot. So... lot of skits with vehicles, then? More like how shows didn't always end with the same guys standing tall and beating down their rivals. There was enough variety and hooks to keep viewers tuned in for Raw is War and Heat. (And I realize that Raw technically didn't end with the Authority standing tall, but rather Bray Wyatt standing (or kneeling) tall.)
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jun 29, 2015 22:53:00 GMT -5
For this, I think we can look back to the Attitude Era to see what made that compelling watching, aside from the raunchiness and whatnot. So... lot of skits with vehicles, then? WWE can't even get that right these days. They introduce a brand new shiny expensive car tonight, and proceed not to destroy it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 22:53:15 GMT -5
I literally prefer the drama that's going on behind the scenes at the sinking ship that is TNA over WWE right now. In truth I prefer New Japan, Lucha Underground and ROH over WWE any day. It just doesn't hold my interest. I really only watch to see Dolph, Seth, Dean and hot Nikki. The backstage happenings in TNA and their drama (and idiot ass tweets) is easily the most entertaining thing in wrestling in quite some time. I feel giddy and excited when a new TNA thread pop ups. Whatever incredible buffoonery I'm about to read is sure to beat any professional wrestling story going on. Pretty much. My main wrestling fix is coming from reading about TNA's lunacy and whenever I actually want to watch something I go with ROH. Been loving these past few weeks following that set-up.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 29, 2015 22:53:35 GMT -5
So... lot of skits with vehicles, then? More like how shows didn't always end with the same guys standing tall and beating down their rivals. There was enough variety and hooks to keep viewers tuned in for Raw is War and Heat. (And I realize that Raw technically didn't end with the Authority standing tall, but rather Bray Wyatt standing (or kneeling) tall.) Hm, this might be something worth looking through since they have all the 1998 RAWs up on the Network. Who closed out the show the most. I might get back to you later.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Jun 29, 2015 22:54:10 GMT -5
I literally prefer the drama that's going on behind the scenes at the sinking ship that is TNA over WWE right now. In truth I prefer New Japan, Lucha Underground and ROH over WWE any day. It just doesn't hold my interest. I really only watch to see Dolph, Seth, Dean and hot Nikki. The backstage happenings in TNA and their drama (and idiot ass tweets) is easily the most entertaining thing in wrestling in quite some time. I feel giddy and excited when a new TNA thread pop ups. Whatever incredible buffoonery I'm about to read is sure to beat any professional wrestling story going on. The Impact section might be my favorite place in the universe right now for this reason. The joy I get out of seeing Dixie Carter tweeting "SHIT" at someone while they plan a self-invasion angle does not compare to anything else.
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Post by . on Jun 29, 2015 22:55:59 GMT -5
The worst part is that it's not "IWC" bad, where the live audience and casual fans are happy but the hardcore fans hate it. It's just BAD bad. The casual fan likely hated the ending of the past two RAWs just as much as we did. Who are they booking for when no one is happy? Saddest part is, I like the story but hate the actors. If you had Seth ditching his putty patrol and saying "here is plan B" and out comes Harper,Rowan and Sheamus and you have Seth blind side Brock with about 15 chairshots then it be just fine to have them topple this unstoppable beast. But no, cruiserweights Joey and Jamie with Geriatric flabby flaccid Local man are able to bring him down with little trouble (But not Roman because ROMAN IS STRONG! TM. The point of having heels win at the end used to be to get you riled up to pay for tickets to see them get their asses kicked, Instead its a drawn out affiar that ends up boring people as 3 hours just isn't enough time for that ever important 20 minute authority beat down.
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Post by Some Guy on Jun 29, 2015 22:56:20 GMT -5
I still have Lucha Underground. I will always have Lucha Underground. And I really, really wish more people would watch it because it does absolutely everything better than the WWE.
Also, I like Coldplay. f*** all y'all.
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