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Post by Zen411 on Jun 29, 2015 23:28:12 GMT -5
I really hate the soap opera writers they pay to script it. It is so lame and bland and predictable week after week. The backstage segments where Seth talks to the Authority or j and j is so scripted and generic.
Remember when wrestlers grudges felt real and passionate as hell? Now it is bad soap opera acting written by soap opera writers. I wish wrestlers could improvise a bit more. The direction and scripting really really takes away from the "raw" feel the show used to have when surprises happened and there was a thrilling anything goes feel.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jun 29, 2015 23:30:12 GMT -5
The DVR forgot to record the first hour, I watched Cena vs Cesaro and Lucha Dragons/PTP vs New Day/Bo and fell asleep during the main event. Nothing of value was lost.
I never once fell asleep during a Nitro main event during WCW's dying days. Take that as you wish.
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Post by FAR5222 on Jun 29, 2015 23:34:37 GMT -5
I really hate the soap opera writers they pay to script it. It is so lame and bland and predictable week after week. The backstage segments where Seth talks to the Authority or j and j is so scripted and generic. Remember when wrestlers grudges felt real and passionate as hell? Now it is bad soap opera acting written by soap opera writers. I wish wrestlers could improvise a bit more. The direction and scripting really really takes away from the "raw" feel the show used to have when surprises happened and there was a thrilling anything goes feel. What's funny is they don't want the intense stuff with how I always see videos of guys down in Florida always told to "cut out that wrestling crap" Thats what I fell in love with at first back when I was a kid the intense aspect of wrestling. Billy Gunn even scolded Big O in the beginning of Tough Enough when he cut a serious intense promo. (Sure he cussed which is not needed) but he had intensity. These people working there don't even know what they want or what to do anymore.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 29, 2015 23:37:50 GMT -5
I'm just bored of the format. Tonight's show was actually above average by 2015 Raw standards since there was lots of good wrestling and the useless skits were kept down to a minimum. It don't really matter though because at the end of the day, it still feels like the same show.
Isn't that the entire point of the show being live? To create the environment where it feels like ANYTHING can happen? I can't even remember the last time WWE felt like that. It's the same dudes having the same matches on a show that's always paced the same way. The presentation of the show needs an overhaul badly.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 29, 2015 23:39:44 GMT -5
Imagine if Raw ended with Bray and Roman taking their brawl backstage with a camera getting knocked over for good measure to sell that this is war unfolding?
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Post by xCompackx on Jun 29, 2015 23:43:14 GMT -5
I really hate the soap opera writers they pay to script it. It is so lame and bland and predictable week after week. The backstage segments where Seth talks to the Authority or j and j is so scripted and generic. Remember when wrestlers grudges felt real and passionate as hell? Now it is bad soap opera acting written by soap opera writers. I wish wrestlers could improvise a bit more. The direction and scripting really really takes away from the "raw" feel the show used to have when surprises happened and there was a thrilling anything goes feel. What's funny is they don't want the intense stuff with how I always see videos of guys down in Florida always told to "cut out that wrestling crap" Thats what I fell in love with at first back when I was a kid the intense aspect of wrestling. Billy Gunn even scolded Big O in the beginning of Tough Enough when he cut a serious intense promo. (Sure he cussed which is not needed) but he had intensity. These people working there don't even know what they want or what to do anymore. To be fair to Billy Gunn, those initial auditions weren't really the time for a wrestling promo. It seemed like they just wanted to talk to the participants.
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FAR5222
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Post by FAR5222 on Jun 29, 2015 23:43:17 GMT -5
Imagine if Raw ended with Bray and Roman taking their brawl backstage with a camera getting knocked over for good measure to sell that this is war unfolding? That would have been a better ending but who here besides a handful of people are interested in this angle at all? They need to switch stuff up heels should go over on the go home show. If the face is winning at the PPV if the heel is winning have it be an even segment where no one goes over the other. Just something different for the sake of being different.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jun 29, 2015 23:43:35 GMT -5
I really hate the soap opera writers they pay to script it. It is so lame and bland and predictable week after week. The backstage segments where Seth talks to the Authority or j and j is so scripted and generic. Remember when wrestlers grudges felt real and passionate as hell? Now it is bad soap opera acting written by soap opera writers. I wish wrestlers could improvise a bit more. The direction and scripting really really takes away from the "raw" feel the show used to have when surprises happened and there was a thrilling anything goes feel.
It is NOT the writers, it's Kevin who wants "sports entertainment" not wrestling, and Vince who just listens to Dunn. Not too long ago, we had three better booked and written RAWs in a row. Presumably they were written by Jimmy Jacobs who understands the business. What's happened lately that he doesn't seem to be calling the shots I don't know, but unfortunately Dunn is the director of RAW and he way too much control. A lot of things I think would get better if he would just get fired somehow already.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Jun 29, 2015 23:43:39 GMT -5
I stopped watching full shows around February. Hell, now i only watch about 10-15 minutes on WWE's YouTube.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 29, 2015 23:44:16 GMT -5
Imagine if Raw ended with Bray and Roman taking their brawl backstage with a camera getting knocked over for good measure to sell that this is war unfolding? Or hell, have one of them throw a pie in the other's face to close out the show. Just...SOMETHING different.
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FAR5222
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Post by FAR5222 on Jun 29, 2015 23:44:23 GMT -5
What's funny is they don't want the intense stuff with how I always see videos of guys down in Florida always told to "cut out that wrestling crap" Thats what I fell in love with at first back when I was a kid the intense aspect of wrestling. Billy Gunn even scolded Big O in the beginning of Tough Enough when he cut a serious intense promo. (Sure he cussed which is not needed) but he had intensity. These people working there don't even know what they want or what to do anymore. To be fair to Billy Gunn, those initial auditions weren't really the time for a wrestling promo. It seemed like they just wanted to talk to the participants. True. But they always put people down when they go all wrestling. It makes me mad when I watch and then I question why did I/ enjoy/still this crap anymore?
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jun 29, 2015 23:45:38 GMT -5
Hey, wasn't this thread stickied for a little while?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jun 29, 2015 23:46:45 GMT -5
Hey, wasn't this thread stickied for a little while? Lies and slander. >_> <_<
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jun 29, 2015 23:48:36 GMT -5
Heh, I just thought maybe you wanted to lump all the complaining about WWE together in an all-purpose thread.
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Post by Sicho100 on Jun 29, 2015 23:48:39 GMT -5
....but they WILL lose money if they carry on like this. Lower ratings for Raw and less subscribers to the Network isn't a good thing. Poor (or safe, whatever you want to call it) booking will catch up to them, as it has done with every company in wrestling history (WWF in the mid-90s, TNA now, WCW in 99/00). They eventually will have to change but it won't be for a long time. I feel as though TV isn't a main priority to them as they make it seem it is. Because if it was it would be booked better. I think they just base all their success off of house shows, sponsors, Network, and merchandise. They just use TV as a away to promote all this mumbo-jumbo for those things I listed and those with the low IQ's that don't have a critical mind towards this will enjoy it. But even if that's the case, the TV shows influence how much they make on all the rest. Their idea of a feud is "Have two guys fight each other 10 times leading up to the PPV, then again at the PPV." Then, their house shows wouldn't draw people, because it's the same thing they saw on TV for the past month. The network doesn't draw subscribers, since it's the PPVs as the main draw, and why would I care about the PPV if I just saw it on Raw? Everyone's booked like a complete joke (ex: Seth Rollins loses to J&J Security on Raw, then beats Dean Ambrose at the PPV), and with next to no character, so why would I buy their merch? Hell, why would casuals continue to watch - there is no hook to stay with the show. That then means that the ratings begin falling, and sponsors are much less likely to want to advertise their product with you, and therefore you make less money from advertising. No matter if the WWE's top monetary concern is the TV deal, house shows, the Network, merch, or garnering sponsorships, the TV product impacts the money they get from that revenue stream. If people don't like the TV, they won't go to the house shows, won't subscribe to the network, won't buy people's merch, and then the sponsors will react and pull their own funding due to a diminished audience. If they want to increase the money from any of those, MAKE A BETTER TV SHOW!
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jun 29, 2015 23:53:53 GMT -5
Heh, I just thought maybe you wanted to lump all the complaining about WWE together in an all-purpose thread.
This board desperately needs it. It's not as bad as the Team Wait and See vs. Team Cynic war going on last year, but the negativity here the last couple of months has still been annoying.
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Post by stealthamo on Jun 29, 2015 23:57:45 GMT -5
I'm just bored of the format. Tonight's show was actually above average by 2015 Raw standards since there was lots of good wrestling and the useless skits were kept down to a minimum. It don't really matter though because at the end of the day, it still feels like the same show. Isn't that the entire point of the show being live? To create the environment where it feels like ANYTHING can happen? I can't even remember the last time WWE felt like that. It's the same dudes having the same matches on a show that's always paced the same way. The presentation of the show needs an overhaul badly. I've honestly tried to think of the last time things have seemed unpredictable/out of nowhere on WWE programming. The newest thing I can think of was the streak ending, which was over a year ago. The last actual big memorable feats I can remember on TV are both stuff that happened on Smackdown (Shield losing their first match, Del Rio winning the WHC), which are taped and edited (IDK if either of those moments in particular were edited, but with Smackdown there's a good chance) and they also happened over two years ago. You know the most recent crazy and unpredictable things I remember happening on Raw? Punk's Pipebomb and Nexus destroying everything. And those moments happened over 4 and 5 years ago respectively. It's tough for me to really get hyped for Raw, when there really doesn't seem to be anything crazy that's going to happen. The Authority will have a long, drawn out promo to start the show. John Cena will successfully defend the US Title while making his opponent look "really good". The Bellas will act horrible and still get the last laugh. The Authority will end the show standing tall over whomever their opponent is this week. There will be slight variations from week to week, but that's the basic summation of Raw, and none of it gets me excited at all. I occasionally flipped to Raw, and the only thing that held my interest was the Cena/Cesaro match. The rest of the time was spent watching baseball or watching Three Kings on Netflix, and I have no doubt I made the right choice in watching those two things over Raw.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 29, 2015 23:58:15 GMT -5
Imagine if Raw ended with Bray and Roman taking their brawl backstage with a camera getting knocked over for good measure to sell that this is war unfolding? That would have been a better ending but who here besides a handful of people are interested in this angle at all? They need to switch stuff up heels should go over on the go home show. If the face is winning at the PPV if the heel is winning have it be an even segment where no one goes over the other. Just something different for the sake of being different. Even switching up what angle gets to end the show (in this case, the Cena/Owens program) rather than same old, same old, would work wonders in keeping things fresh.
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Post by Phil Parent on Jun 30, 2015 0:06:46 GMT -5
I'm watching ECW right now, as in, the whole of what's available out there to be watched.
I'm in 1994, coming up on the NWA World Title Tournament, which of course is such a pivotal moment..
If you really want to watch horrible wrestling, watch ECW before Heyman got the book. SO awful. Even put in its historical context. Current TNA level.
Was the show tonight great? No. But it had moments.
- That opening skit with Rollins and the 3 Stooges was sort of fun even though there was no money in it and it didn't advance anything really.
- The Cena VS Cesaro match was awesome because it had great action, great commentary, put over Cesaro and exposed to what degree KO cares about being the one to beat Cena and get the title. This raises the value of the match and of the title.
- Show VS Henry advanced the storyline with Miz even though it was a dreadful action.
- New Day's antics are always fun and that match was nice.
- The Dolph / Lana / Rusev / Summer segment was more interesting than good because of the crowd reaction: Sure, Rusev yelled at Lana a couple times and apparently felt like he owned her the same way he owned the furniture in his home. But to lots of guys in the fan base, Rusev is this big, momentarilly crippled, ugly guy whose girlfriend got stolen away by this good looking douchebag who brags about it while Rusev is there and can't do anything about it. Rusev has ALSO the extremely noble and sort of rare trait of showing up injured to confront Ziggler on one leg. Guess who the average adult male wrestling fan identifies with? There's is absolutely no end game where Rusev gets booed at the end of this.
And then, the rest of the show was horseshit.
But it had moments. 6/10
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 0:15:22 GMT -5
Not much to say that hasn't already been said already. It's the same people fighting/interacting with the same people every week.
Every second watching Raw just feels like a waste of time because none of it matters.
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