kevin
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Post by kevin on Jun 30, 2015 0:20:57 GMT -5
I just can't agree with this sentiment that it is terrible. The Big Show Miz Ryback for the IC title was great. New Day and Bo Dallas are endlessly entertaining . Cena Ownes fued has been great and the Cesero match was fantastic . Sheamus Neville was a great match. Jack Swagger got tv time and King Barretts bow before me gimmick sounds interesting . I really like all three shield members and the Bray Wyatt stuff was so well done tonight . Honestly ever since a horrendous episode after the Royal Rumble Raw has been really good.
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Post by Stuart Baggs The Brand on Jun 30, 2015 0:42:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry but this Raw counts as awesome just for Kane's reaction to being sent to Hawaii.
EDIT: The whole segment is magic. Joey's reaction to being told the interior is full leather as well.
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suave
Dennis Stamp
"I only got on my knees for God and maybe to lick a girl's pussy" -Teddy Hart
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Post by suave on Jun 30, 2015 0:47:33 GMT -5
I quit watching a while ago, only watching PPVs, and this year I only watched the Rumble and Wrestlemania. It's just not fun anymore. I remember getting back into a weekly watching schedule after SS 2013. And sure, those were some weird shows, and the Authority would always stand tall, but there was actual tension. Bryan was chasing the title, and Trips was being a piece of shit by holding him back. Things mattered, people gave a shit. The rise of Bryan program that went from SS to WM 30 brought me so much hope, and I tuned in that next week. Same with Lesnars destruction of Cena at SS 2014. I used to be all about the WWE, getting excited for every show. I remember growing up and looking online to see who'd be fighting who on Smackdown, but now I can barely be bothered to give a shit about PPVs. Idk if I'm growing out of wrestling or if the product's just getting worse.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 30, 2015 0:53:37 GMT -5
I quit watching a while ago, only watching PPVs, and this year I only watched the Rumble and Wrestlemania. It's just not fun anymore. I remember getting back into a weekly watching schedule after SS 2013. And sure, those were some weird shows, and the Authority would always stand tall, but there was actual tension. Bryan was chasing the title, and Trips was being a piece of shit by holding him back. Things mattered, people gave a shit. The rise of Bryan program that went from SS to WM 30 brought me so much hope, and I tuned in that next week. Same with Lesnars destruction of Cena at SS 2014. I used to be all about the WWE, getting excited for every show. I remember growing up and looking online to see who'd be fighting who on Smackdown, but now I can barely be bothered to give a shit about PPVs. Idk if I'm growing out of wrestling or if the product's just getting worse. And back then, there was an escalation and progression (past the initial consecutive weeks of the Authority standing tall). The Authority giving Bryan shit again and again led to some faces deciding that they had enough of it by coming to Bryan's aid.
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Post by Captain & Diet on Jun 30, 2015 0:54:14 GMT -5
By far the sickest thing you've ever written. I don't know. I did just make a post about a deceased woman's dildo from the Reconstruction Era in the U.S. about a half hour ago. I saw that. You're obviously a Renaissance man.
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Post by jp49er80 on Jun 30, 2015 1:27:34 GMT -5
I turned off Raw when Cena brought back the Authority. It wasn't gonna get any better from there.
From reading this, it obviously still hasn't. Stale as ever.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jun 30, 2015 1:30:46 GMT -5
WWE is incredibly boring and overly reliant on The Authority, but I wouldn't call it terrible. It's been so much worse.
But it doesn't matter or not if the show is tedious to watch. And it is. I've never been so disinterested before.
Owens/Cena is legitimately awesome and is practically the ONLY thing on Raw that comes across as fresh and intriguing. Even the tag division, which had promise for another comeback this year, has been set back with Kidd, the Uso, Rowan, and Goldust being hurt (let's face it - they'll probably reunite The Dust Bros. again this year). Cesaro did amazing tonight, but just knowing they'll probably never capitalize on it makes me reluctant to invest. Neville is becoming Evan Bourne instead of being one of the central parts of the show. But never fear, because we have Kane and Big Show taking storyline roles instead! Kane going on vacation has hilarious potential, but that will just remind people how Corporate Kane SHOULD'VE turned out instead of him wrestling every week in main events wearing dress pants. They wrecked Bray Wyatt, and Wyatt himself has perhaps become complacent with the character. Ziggler/Lana is very unconvincing. The divas division reeks of old men with old ideas who don't understand how to book women in 2015. Ryback and Miz to me are two guys where no matter what they do, my investment in both has been dried up. But, if you're fans of them they're probably entertaining right now. Sandow's potential to be a big mid-card star got squandered and it's 110% WWE's fault - we all called it, why couldn't they? I don't think he'd ever be top card material, but they literally wasted money and time on a character that was over in an era where it's really hard to get that over. Seth Rollins is pretty good in his role right now (he was excellent tonight). It's just hard to really care when it feels so redundant every week. Wade Barrett goes through a gimmick change every single year, and it always results in him doing the job to guys they like more than him. He's literally built up to lose to preferred talent.
It's hard to care when they squander nearly all their potential.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jun 30, 2015 2:42:46 GMT -5
There's 3 major problems I see with WWE.
1. It's not "must see TV" anymore: I've not watched Raw in like 3-4 weeks and I've not missed anything. Why should I watch this match when they will have the same match next week? I don't feel like "I have to watch Raw!" anymore. Also nothing ever happens anymore on Raw. I hate to sound lie a mark here but at least with the Attitude era there was a title match that had a legit chance of having a title change. When was the last time we had a WWE World Title match on Raw, and I mean a legit one that did not end in DQ or shenanigans. Give people a reason to watch WWE. Things use to happened on shows like RAW and Smackdown and were not just build ups for PPVs.
2. Product is stale as ever: WWE also needs something new to the table. How long have we had John Cena this and Authority that? I think it's hit the point that everyone is just tired of the same old crap over and over. Not just with more hardcore fans, but causal fans as well. People like Kevin Owens or the 4 horsewomen have hit it big because it's a breath of fresh air. This is also why NXT is being liked more than the main shows. People have been stuck seeing the same faces for the last decade and just want to see anything that's new. The product has hit a rut and it looks like there's no sign of it ending anytime soon. The truth is the product needs a total makeover and a new way of doing things. Sadly this won't likely happen until Vince kicks the bucket and then it comes down to whoever takes his place is willing to change things up for viewership and book to make money. Not book to make their top guys look great or to get you to buy something.
3. Too much exposure: Buy the WWE Network, Longest running TV show, award winning, watch Total Divas, like I get having more content but more is not always better. I know I sound like a broken record but ever since Raw has went 3 hours it's been way worse than they were in 2 hours. You can tell with recaps and long as hell promos that they are struggling trying to produce a 3 hour show. It's stretched too thin. That's just RAW, not talking Smackdown, NXT, Tough Enough, Total Divas, and the list goes on. It's either they are trying so hard just to stay relevant or trying to remind people "Hey remember The Rock? Remember Stone Cold? These guys use to be cool!" How about trying to use the stars they have to promote the product and not have to relay on movie starts, MMA fighters, and self advertisements. This might sound insane to some but... people who are fans of wrestling like to watch wrestling!
I believe that if WWE really tried and fixed these issues, they would hit a new boom period. Hell I'll even say something that would be better than the Attitude Era. Give fans a reason to watch something great and not a product that's accepted the fact that it will never be as good as it once was and has settled to mediocrity. For a company called World Wrestling Entertainment, they forgot how to entertain viewers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 2:44:30 GMT -5
I adore New Day so they make it watchable for me.
Reigns, Cena, Owens help too
Lesnar makes any show immediately 100%better
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Johnny Flamingo
Hank Scorpio
Killing the business one post at a time
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jun 30, 2015 2:55:40 GMT -5
I can't agree that is has been terrible. I've found Raw to be quite good since Mania. Enjoying New Day, Lesnar-Rollins, Reigns/Ambrose teaming up and Cena/Owens has been a tremendous feud. Match quality on Raw has been pretty good as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 3:05:00 GMT -5
The rating for this show is going to be absolute shit.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jun 30, 2015 3:15:39 GMT -5
The worst part is that it's not "IWC" bad, where the live audience and casual fans are happy but the hardcore fans hate it. It's just BAD bad. The casual fan likely hated the ending of the past two RAWs just as much as we did. Who are they booking for when no one is happy? There's nothing wrong with having the bad guys win to end the show, but having it happen on consecutive shows will pretty much wear down any viewer, casual or hardcore. The issue comes in wanting Lesnar to be the next guy to murder The Authority but he can't be on tv the next week
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chrom
Backup Wench
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Post by chrom on Jun 30, 2015 4:37:14 GMT -5
Just feels like nothing matters and anything that did happen already happened. And its gotten to the point that you don't even have to watch to know what has happened
When was the last time Raw opened with a match instead of a twenty or more minute promo?
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Bo Rida
Fry's dog Seymour
Pulled one over on everyone. Got away with it, this time.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 30, 2015 5:36:42 GMT -5
WWE is just one big corrupt a wish game.
You want the company to be built around the Shield? They'll split them up and make them do the same old shit for a year until you're begging for Sheamus vs Orton.
You want great matches? Have them every week! But WWE will ensure none of mean a thing.
You want unpredictable? The car survives! Bet you didn't see that one coming!
You don't like the clowns on commentary? Here's Byron!
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Post by Saul Goodman on Jun 30, 2015 5:50:15 GMT -5
I only tune in when Lesnar shows up. Owens is cool too, besides those two, I really don't care about anything else. I know a lot of people hated Lesnar's title run this year, but since Rollins won the title, the title picture became boring and predictable. Rollins title run is awful, I hope Lesnar wins it again.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jun 30, 2015 5:52:27 GMT -5
I still like WWE. Not saying it to be anti-IWC or going against the grain. I actually enjoy the product being produced. Do I think it's all good? God no, but I'm not declaring everything shit and wallowing in the misery. The moment I grow to hate a wrestling company, I stop watching and following it completely. Life is too short to sweat the bullshit. Besides, in another 10 years and this current era will be remembered fondly by the next generation of fans and them declaring their current product is terrible. Why? Circle of life. Contrary to popular belief, the Attitude Era was not beloved. Read old message boards and the same criticisms we are saying today are the same ones from then. Yeah, it still using the same format from that era but product wise it was panned. But most posters here were kids under 18 during that time so the hate wasn't strong as those in their 20's or higher. Hell, the Hulkmania era had its critical critics during its heyday and people who weren't even conceived like that. I akin this era in WWE like the New Generation era. The workrate was higher than the previous era though the starpower was lower. For every HBK or Bret Hart, you had Freddie Joe Floyd or T.L Hopper. People wanted Razor or 123 Kid higher on the card but WWF management saw differently. Fans turned against the Hulkster replacement, Lex Luger. Diesel was loved as a heel but turned against when he became the face of the company. High hopes for WWF hiring Cactus Jack (Someone who didn't fit the mold of what WWE usually look for a wrestler) and loving the early Mankind. So many parallels. The rating for this show is going to be absolute shit. Shows that people here and around the Net almost universally loved got low ratings the last couple of years. The ratings a couple of weeks ago was due to Dusty Rhodes' death combined with it being post ppv. WWE could flip the script and go through with the suggestions made here and still get the same rating it normally gets. That's just the reality of things.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 30, 2015 6:22:40 GMT -5
Shows that people here and around the Net almost universally loved got low ratings the last couple of years. The ratings a couple of weeks ago was due to Dusty Rhodes' death combined with it being post ppv. WWE could flip the script and go through with the suggestions made here and still get the same rating it normally gets. That's just the reality of things. Also, and I say this in every ratings thread, these days the rating gets affected by the previous week's quality, not this week's. Despite social media, people aren't tuning into Raw on the basis of what's going on now; they're reading the results, seeing it's a good show, tuning in the week after and finding a shitty show, then going away again. This is especially true because NOTHING gets advertised in advance any more, but equally nothing unpredictable happens so it's not worth tuning in just in case.
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Emmet Russell
King Koopa
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Post by Emmet Russell on Jun 30, 2015 6:27:39 GMT -5
I notice this thread right after I really enjoyed Raw today.
Oh well - sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, but I still like it overall.
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Post by lookout on Jun 30, 2015 6:47:43 GMT -5
The worst part is that it's not "IWC" bad, where the live audience and casual fans are happy but the hardcore fans hate it. It's just BAD bad. The casual fan likely hated the ending of the past two RAWs just as much as we did. Who are they booking for when no one is happy? The thing is unless people really start to express their dislike of it..not only vocally but with their cash, what reason is there for them to change anything? To me it's really amazing that despite social media being so widely used that the fans have so little say in what they see, mainly because the fans never organize and say enough is enough. I can understand how promotions got away with this stuff in the past but there really is no excuse for why wrestling fans do not force change with their voice and social media more than they do.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 30, 2015 7:50:08 GMT -5
In hindsight, this Raw as a whole wasn't bad, but the parts that were bad, were just that. I honestly believe that if Raw ended with something other than the Authority beating their foes again, we wouldn't have this thread.
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