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Post by celtics543 on Jun 30, 2015 10:20:58 GMT -5
Someone earlier in the thread hit the nail on the head, the show is sterile. Everything is presented so cleanly and slickly that it makes it look bad. I watched a Steve Austin match from the Attitude Era and he just had a certain aggression and attitude that separates him from everyone today. Not to mention the set up of the arena was so much edgier and different. The talent today is just as good as it's ever been, but they're presented so poorly that no one can buy into them. The sets all look the same, the reliance on part timers to carry big shows, the lack of ANY attitude in the shows, they all combine to make them boring. Not to mention the same guys ending shows all the time. It's been talked about in this thread but in the old days they had different guys close out shows and put the spotlight on different parts of the card.
I think the major issue is that you know what the limits are today, whereas back in the late 90's and early 2000's you weren't sure how far they'd go with stuff. Without competition the WWE isn't being pushed to go further in an effort to entertain the fans and it pretty much eliminates any talent jumps that keep the show exciting. It's beating a dead horse but I think it's fair to say that the show hasn't been the same since WCW went out of business.
I've been a fan since I was about 3 years old, been watching for over 20 years and I can't even muster the energy to turn Raw on and watch anymore. I still watch the ppv's and I keep up with what's going on but I'm just not interested in much of it anymore. Like I said though, they have the talent, but the writing has been very paint-by-numbers and obvious.
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Post by kingbookermark on Jun 30, 2015 15:53:41 GMT -5
Up side you don't have to watch... This. Also can you be more specific about what you dislike? Because saying you dislike it doesn't mean anything to me, unless I get some idea why. I like the product right now. Tons of different people on top & in the mix. NXT is amazing. I can only say for sure that the Authority is so stale.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 30, 2015 16:50:40 GMT -5
Up side you don't have to watch... This. Also can you be more specific about what you dislike? Because saying you dislike it doesn't mean anything to me, unless I get some idea why. I like the product right now. Tons of different people on top & in the mix. NXT is amazing. I can only say for sure that the Authority is so stale. Basically, anything that isn't The Authority or the confusing mess that is the mainline Divas division have my interest right now. And yes, this includes Bray Wyatt versus Roman Reigns.
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Jun 30, 2015 17:06:55 GMT -5
This. Also can you be more specific about what you dislike? Because saying you dislike it doesn't mean anything to me, unless I get some idea why. I like the product right now. Tons of different people on top & in the mix. NXT is amazing. I can only say for sure that the Authority is so stale. Basically, anything that isn't The Authority or the confusing mess that is the mainline Divas division have my interest right now. And yes, this includes Bray Wyatt versus Roman Reigns. Which would be ok if not for the fact that the Authority is going to lead off and end every show. Seriously, just a little variety once in a blue moon would be nice. Like, the beatdown last night went on forever--I swore Brock was coming out just from the way they kept it going. Beatdowns don't always have to be 10-minute annihilations. One good move, and the point is put across.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 30, 2015 17:20:51 GMT -5
For the most part it's terrible. The only highlights are Owens vs Cena and the tag division.
The Authority shit just bogs the whole show down. It's gone on long enough.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 30, 2015 17:48:41 GMT -5
I watch for Lesnar. When Lesnar ain't around, neither is Kev.
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Post by Been burned too many times on Jun 30, 2015 20:09:50 GMT -5
"Terrible right now"
It's been terrible for years, people always overlook it because a bright spot shows up every once in a while.
Just look at what they did to Rusev, disgusting. WWE always finds a way to mess up a good thing.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 30, 2015 20:24:24 GMT -5
The presentation is stale because they've found a particular model and format for doing things and they do not deviate from it for even one episode. It might be efficient, but it leads to a sameness that we've been seeing for years.
For example, during a backstage promo, they will cut to the audience watching the screen at the same time every week. You can almost predict it. The commentators will always say the same things, especially buzzwords they've obviously been instructed to repeat ad nauseum, the promos also follow a similar pattern, buzzwords and rigid scripts (everyone will ALWAYS say "WWE World Heavyweight Championship").
The arrangement of the script is all wrong too. They always begin and end with the Authority. This is why either the title needs to be removed from the Authority storyline, or the Authority needs to go away, because the title, and guys like Reigns, Seth and Ambrose are being hurt by association with the stalest story in WWE.
The mid-card is being hurt by guys like Wade STILL being clearly held back, Dolph being stuck in a shitty storyline which makes HIM look heelish, Rusev and Lana being pointlessly broken up for soap opera/relationship bullshit, and the IC title being held by Ryback...yes....Ryback. Additionally, there's yet another effort to push Sheamus, when from what I can tell, no one gives a shit about him. It was especially downheartening to see a far more talented wrestler like Neville being used as fodder to make Sheamus look good. Should really be the other way around IMO.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jun 30, 2015 23:50:50 GMT -5
Up side you don't have to watch... This. Also can you be more specific about what you dislike? Because saying you dislike it doesn't mean anything to me, unless I get some idea why. I like the product right now. Tons of different people on top & in the mix. NXT is amazing. I can only say for sure that the Authority is so stale. The wrestlers are fine and the matches are usually good. The storylines and characters are atrocious. They're repetitive, boring and unlikeable.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Jun 30, 2015 23:55:38 GMT -5
This show is sterile. It can't get me pregnant. Dammit, I knew I should have never married you WWE Raw!!! I'm going to leave you for TNA Impact! It may have given me syphilis, but at least it loves me!
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Post by paulbearer on Jun 30, 2015 23:59:55 GMT -5
Well some people like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis "If Chris Martin writes a song and keeps repeating it long enough, people will eventually come to accept it." - Joseph Goebbels Hitler : I'm proud of my country , still I must admit that Hulkamania is the greatest.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jul 1, 2015 0:29:54 GMT -5
I haven't watched a full episode of Raw or Smackdown in years and I enjoy WWE much more that way. I try to watch every PPV because those are what really matters and even then they don't matter much. There's usually a good match or two on each one though and that's about all I can ask for with them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 11:19:34 GMT -5
At least we get some really good matches on pretty much every episode, unlike the 90s But yeah the storylines, endless ring promos and stale characters are excruciating to watch The good matches are literally the only thing good about the product, and they've exhausted that by having 15-20 minute matches between their best workers every week on TV, in order to fill time on their 5 hours of prime time TV every week. A good match used to be a much cooler thing, now the show completely sucks without one, and they're not as special. No excuse for how bad they burned out Rollins vs. Ambrose, other than "what the f*** else can we put on TV that isn't terrible?"
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jul 1, 2015 11:25:47 GMT -5
If it's so bad that you feel that you need to complain about it every week, why do you watch it?
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jul 1, 2015 11:27:43 GMT -5
If it's so bad that you feel that you need to complain about it every week, why do you watch it? Which is fair enough, but I haven't complained about it every week. So yeah.
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Post by StormanReigns on Jul 1, 2015 11:31:41 GMT -5
I've stopped watching. Not because I am mad at the product, but because of general disinterest.
I never miss RAW, but the other night, I forgot it was on. Outside of Cena/Steen there is NOTHING to be excited over.
They put 3 years in to making Lesnar look like a video game boss, just for him to be taken out by Kane of all people.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 1, 2015 12:39:34 GMT -5
If you don't like Coldplay then we can't be friends. No one in their right mind would ever target something so wonderful and pure.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 1, 2015 12:45:14 GMT -5
I really enjoy the wrestling MOST often. However, it can still be difficult to enjoy it when there is so much dragging it down. I am sure Sheamus and Neville put on a technically good match. But why should I care? It just seemed to have little build or consequences. I absolutely loved what they did with Cesaro. But is anything going to happen with him? I have seen him be given an opportunity to shine on RAW countless times and he always delivers in the ring and he never rises up the card. I can enjoy a good match but I have no reason to care about them and that is a major part of what makes me want to watch a wrestling show. What does WWE expect the audience to do when they advertise a tag team match that everyone has already seen countless times that has no significance and is going to get a screwy finish?
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jul 1, 2015 13:03:28 GMT -5
I think it's at a point where we know on the whole it's not gonna get it that much better ever again. The McMahon's are not gonna take the company private again, the shareholders care about the profitability of the company and nothing else and they and by extension the WWE Board and Executives will see no reason to ever do anything other than the most safest most sterile things that work. Even if they don't work as well as things have in boom periods, they work in a modest and consistent way. As far as TV goes they got their money from USA and USA draws strong numbers every Monday for relatively low cost. So no ratings drop is gonna be strong enough to change that. So basically what we see is what were gonna get. It's not gonna change.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Jul 1, 2015 16:05:20 GMT -5
I lost my interest again shortly before Extreme Rules. I haven't watched an episode since I think a week before that PPV. It's not worth my time.
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