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Post by ayumidah on Jun 30, 2015 11:20:00 GMT -5
Without him we wouldn't have had Ricardo, so there were plusses to the guy. But once they split them, yeah my interest in him dwindled.
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Jun 30, 2015 11:45:19 GMT -5
It took Alberto to get fired for bitchslapping someone before folks recognize how good he was. You'd think folks would know by now that "WWE ruin everything" before judging somebody based on their work there. |
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jun 30, 2015 12:34:38 GMT -5
I actually miss Del Rio, because looking back - brother could work. Brother could cut promos. Brother could get over, when given a good enough angle. But they booked him into oblivion. Has a four-time world champion ever been this inconsequential? The psychology of the Dolph/Del Rio match (and you can't often say that about a Dolph match) where he aimed for his concussed noggin was some of my all-time favourite storytelling in wrestling history. What event was that match? |
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Post by audiencewatching on Jun 30, 2015 12:51:02 GMT -5
I got so bored of him squashing Kofi and Zack every week. Then I stopped caring altogether when they removed the card and manager.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 30, 2015 13:30:09 GMT -5
He's improved?
Has he really stopped being so robotic in the ring now he's outside the confines of WWE? Has he learned how to improvise?
There are few wrestlers I've found so boring but he showed flashes of what might have been when he got the chance to break the formula* so it would be great if he's doing that every week.
*The Ziggler double-turn match, Xmas street fight and against Cena in the broken ring .
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jun 30, 2015 14:06:29 GMT -5
I actually miss Del Rio, because looking back - brother could work. Brother could cut promos. Brother could get over, when given a good enough angle. But they booked him into oblivion. Has a four-time world champion ever been this inconsequential? The psychology of the Dolph/Del Rio match (and you can't often say that about a Dolph match) where he aimed for his concussed noggin was some of my all-time favourite storytelling in wrestling history. What event was that match? Payback 2013. When WWE executed one of the best double turns in history at the correct time with an amazing pyschology driven match and followed it up with... jack shit. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jun 30, 2015 14:51:36 GMT -5
I always loved him and the hate for him really bugs me. The guy was such a good wrestler, smooth as anything and was particularly great at being aggressive. I enjoyed his promos and especially his early aristocratic gimmick. They really dropped the ball with him. Mania 27 should have been his moment and I genuinely don't think he ever recovered from losing there.
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Post by Danimal on Jul 1, 2015 0:51:50 GMT -5
ADR certainly could have been used better but IMO the real question when watching LU is why was JoMo never pushed and why did they strip his face persona of all the character that makes his heel persona so good?
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Post by chazraps on Jul 1, 2015 0:59:43 GMT -5
I thought turning him face by just one day having him say 'I love my country! Love me for it!' was weird. They easily couldve replicated the DDP face turn with him. Have him lose everything and build himself back up as a real man of the people. That's not how they turned him face. The Del Rio face turn was actually the best he was ever booked post-Rumble. They didn't all of a sudden make him a smiling guy. He came out to save Ricardo from 3MB. They turned him face by accessing the one thing the fans had in common with him that they could relate to: a love of Ricardo. His face run was actually catching on and really well done until Swagger got busted for pot and they had to deep six everything. |
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Post by BigWill on Jul 1, 2015 1:12:04 GMT -5
It took Alberto to get fired for bitchslapping someone before folks recognize how good he was. I always thought he was good in the ring. But that still doesn't change the fact that he lacked in the charisma department, and never seemed to be over enough to warrant the pushes he was always getting. |
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Post by Raskovnik on Jul 1, 2015 1:18:30 GMT -5
I always knew people would come around to the guy. It was rough being one of his four fans back when he was still employed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2015 1:25:58 GMT -5
Del Rio is possibly the biggest example of not using the full potential of someone so talented and somehow make him less interesting as time goes by as well booking him worse and worse that people want him off. I remember everyone loved him when he first debuted. He had a fresh gimmick, was a good wrestler, and quite bit of interesting character traits, catchphrases, cars, and f***ing Ricardo. Then it was all gradually gone by the time he left and he was booked in the most boring ways (never ending Sheamus feud, wheel of aggression).
The sad thing is I'm seeing the same trend with Bray Wyatt. A dude with tons of buzz and hype coming in and when he debuted, everyone loved him and his buzz. Now they take away everything interesting from Bray Wyatt like his rocking chair and The Wyatt Family and they stuck him in repetitive booking of cutting the same Vague Promo's Backstage where none of the words mean anything or nothing is at stake and weird repetitive booking of him costing big matches against a star and serve as a filler feud for someone (Ambrose, Cena, Reigns, Jericho).
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jul 1, 2015 1:33:31 GMT -5
I was a huge fan of Del Rio from 2010-2012.
Then he had that never-ending feud with Sheamus and it just killed him dead.
He won me back over again with the face turn. To my surprise I really enjoyed him as a face "man of the people" Mexican hero. He was a lot more likeable and relatable than the other faces of the time like Cena, Orton and Sheamus.
....then they turned him heel again (for no reason when you consider Dolph went nowhere after his turn). And he proceeded to have the most pointless world title reign of all time. My fandom completely disappeared.
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Post by celticjobber on Jul 1, 2015 2:01:56 GMT -5
Aside from his terrible feud with Sheamus, he never bored me as much as the Authority has.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 1, 2015 3:11:59 GMT -5
I thought turning him face by just one day having him say 'I love my country! Love me for it!' was weird. They easily couldve replicated the DDP face turn with him. Have him lose everything and build himself back up as a real man of the people. That's not how they turned him face. The Del Rio face turn was actually the best he was ever booked post-Rumble. They didn't all of a sudden make him a smiling guy. He came out to save Ricardo from 3MB. They turned him face by accessing the one thing the fans had in common with him that they could relate to: a love of Ricardo. His face run was actually catching on and really well done until Swagger got busted for pot and they had to deep six everything. God chaz I love it when you show up and just fact-check everybody. |
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Jul 1, 2015 3:38:58 GMT -5
I was so apathetic to him that the only matches of his I paid attention to were when he lost the title to Dolph and won it back from him.
Also I think he was the first former World Champion WWE ever released instead of used a "part-ways/quit/contract ended/etc" comment like they did for Kurt and Rey.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jul 1, 2015 3:50:31 GMT -5
Hell of a worker, boring everywhere else.
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Post by 543Y2J on Jul 1, 2015 4:08:44 GMT -5
Not enough enziguri's or vicious!! kicks in this thread, unlike every Alberto WWE match. I just can't call that guy a good in ring worker, I don't hold it against people who do, but he was as repetitive as he was in his promos wrestling as well.
WWE didn't help this with the booking of him, I understand that but I find the guy just can't create a story in the ring by himself either. He had great matches with Rey, Christian, Bryan, Punk, but I feel it was them changing up the normality of his in ring work. And don't get me started on the terrible looking flying "double axe handle" thing he did did from the top rope.
From what I have seen of him in LU, he seems to be more motivated and not as constrained as far as promos go which is good. He is definitely one that had a better place outside the WWE than within. He was the epitome of overpushed, when from my view his promos and in ring just didn't deliver anything fresh or worthwhile unless he is on the otherside of the ring from a workhorse who can get him out of his comfort zone telling, telling a fresh story.
I did like his face run and the fact that he was finally finally changing up his in ring work, using more lucha stuff, moonsaults etc. But that didn't last long. Maybe it was the "WWE style" with him for me that really translate to him being a good worker.
I can't argue that he is in the ring as far as him leaving goes, and despite him getting so many chances at the main event (when he wasn't delivering) and wasting/giving *a lot* of money on him, he was still in the right.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 1, 2015 5:56:55 GMT -5
I thought turning him face by just one day having him say 'I love my country! Love me for it!' was weird. They easily couldve replicated the DDP face turn with him. Have him lose everything and build himself back up as a real man of the people. That's not how they turned him face. The Del Rio face turn was actually the best he was ever booked post-Rumble. They didn't all of a sudden make him a smiling guy. He came out to save Ricardo from 3MB. They turned him face by accessing the one thing the fans had in common with him that they could relate to: a love of Ricardo. His face run was actually catching on and really well done until Swagger got busted for pot and they had to deep six everything. Actually Del Rio's face run start to sputter with the Swagger feud due to fans taking the side of Zeb Colter and his anti-immigrant diatribes. Alberto's rebuttals to Zeb's beastly mic thrashing was to say that he was a Mexican who loved America. Lame as hell when Colter called for you to get dragged back over the border. Once Alberto was out the Southwest, he lost fans. I remember a Raw in Boston where Zeb got some of the loudest cheers from the crowd that night while tearing down ADR and kin. The whole Glenn Beck thing didn't help anyone's cause either. |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 1, 2015 6:19:21 GMT -5
I want to say he had a ring announcer or some cars or something
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