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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Jul 2, 2015 4:02:20 GMT -5
Razor had better matches. His ladder match at WrestleMania X goes down as one of the biggest matches in WWF history. Diesel was world champion but so were plenty of other guys that no one would put over Razor. Razor had a bigger impact. He gets my vote.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 2, 2015 11:59:27 GMT -5
I'll pop back in and day this: Their IC title match at Summerslam '94 was fantastic and IMO, underrated
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 2, 2015 13:44:29 GMT -5
Razor was certainly the better wrestler but if you're talking career I have to go with the main eventer Diesel. If Diesel wasn't 7', he'd be a curtain jerker. Please, I think the guy is an absolute douche but if he were Bret Hart to Scott Hall sized, he'd still have made it in wrestling because of his looks and charisma. Were he shorter, he most likely wouldn't have entered wrestling with a pre-existing leg injury from his basketball days to limit what he could do as a performer.
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Post by Manute Bol on Jul 2, 2015 13:52:13 GMT -5
History has been very kind to Razor Ramon. I started watching in 1993 when I was 10 years old and never thought of Razor Ramon as a top WWE Championship-level guy like Bret Hart, Diesel, Shawn Michaels, Yokozuna, The Undertaker, or Macho Man Randy Savage. He was a middle of the card guy, often feuding over the Intercontinental Championship. I think the only time he actually main evented was very briefly when he was a heel at Survivor Series 1992 and Royal Rumble 1993.
His nWo run really elevated him to a top guy and has caused people to view his Razor Ramon run very differently.
Diesel, on the other hand, was undoubtedly a main eventer prior to the nWo. In 1994 he captured the WWE, Intercontinental, and Tag Championships, plus he broke the record for most eliminations in a Royal Rumble. Not to mention that his WWE Championship reign was just a week shy of a full year. All these things actually mattered in 1994.
As someone who was actively watching during the New Generation Era, there is absolutely no question that Diesel was a much bigger deal and was much higher on the card than Razor.
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Post by Sam Punk on Jul 2, 2015 20:29:55 GMT -5
If Diesel wasn't 7', he'd be a curtain jerker. Please, I think the guy is an absolute douche but if he were Bret Hart to Scott Hall sized, he'd still have made it in wrestling because of his looks and charisma. Were he shorter, he most likely wouldn't have entered wrestling with a pre-existing leg injury from his basketball days to limit what he could do as a performer. Nash said it himself in one of his shoots. If he wasn't 7' tall Vince would never have given him that huge push.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 2, 2015 20:32:54 GMT -5
Razor was certainly the better wrestler but if you're talking career I have to go with the main eventer Diesel. If Diesel wasn't 7', he'd be a curtain jerker. If he wasn't that tall, he'd also probably be healthier and wrestle differently. Hard to say what all would be different.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 22:31:09 GMT -5
Well Nash could have dropped all the weight and become the tallest high flying wrestler.
I would love to see 7 foot cruiserweights imo.
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Post by StormanReigns on Jul 3, 2015 0:08:02 GMT -5
You people are fools! Look at the Nash era! Clearly the highest grossing era of all time. Austin ALMOST reached him
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Post by Danimal on Jul 3, 2015 0:12:38 GMT -5
Please, I think the guy is an absolute douche but if he were Bret Hart to Scott Hall sized, he'd still have made it in wrestling because of his looks and charisma. Were he shorter, he most likely wouldn't have entered wrestling with a pre-existing leg injury from his basketball days to limit what he could do as a performer. Nash said it himself in one of his shoots. If he wasn't 7' tall Vince would never have given him that huge push. So what? You can make a ton of similar size/build/look comparisons in wrestling. Plus it isn't like he was El Gigante, he brought much more than size to the table. Whatever got him there his career was still his career and the guy was one of the biggest stars in wrestling.
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Post by somsta on Jul 3, 2015 11:51:46 GMT -5
History has been very kind to Razor Ramon. I started watching in 1993 when I was 10 years old and never thought of Razor Ramon as a top WWE Championship-level guy like Bret Hart, Diesel, Shawn Michaels, Yokozuna, The Undertaker, or Macho Man Randy Savage. He was a middle of the card guy, often feuding over the Intercontinental Championship. I think the only time he actually main evented was very briefly when he was a heel at Survivor Series 1992 and Royal Rumble 1993. His nWo run really elevated him to a top guy and has caused people to view his Razor Ramon run very differently. Diesel, on the other hand, was undoubtedly a main eventer prior to the nWo. In 1994 he captured the WWE, Intercontinental, and Tag Championships, plus he broke the record for most eliminations in a Royal Rumble. Not to mention that his WWE Championship reign was just a week shy of a full year. All these things actually mattered in 1994. As someone who was actively watching during the New Generation Era, there is absolutely no question that Diesel was a much bigger deal and was much higher on the card than Razor. This is absolutely right. Razor was awesome. But he was in that upper mid card tier of the New Generation - him, Owen, Jarrett, 1-2-3, Bulldog, Tatanka, etc. Bret, Shawn, and Diesel were the faces of the New Generation.
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Post by bigjohnsons on Jul 3, 2015 13:10:04 GMT -5
Diesel went on to become Kane. What did Razor Ramon ever do? Break all the chickas hearts mane
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Post by Essential1 on Jul 3, 2015 13:17:32 GMT -5
Very close but I guess I'm going to go with how they finished.
Both were great but Razor was squashed by Vader like he was nothing and Diesel lost to HBK, the guy he started off with. Diesel stepped up his game by the time he left the WWE while Razor was clearly going through the motions by late 1995. I think Diesel stands out more.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jul 3, 2015 14:38:46 GMT -5
History has been very kind to Razor Ramon. I started watching in 1993 when I was 10 years old and never thought of Razor Ramon as a top WWE Championship-level guy like Bret Hart, Diesel, Shawn Michaels, Yokozuna, The Undertaker, or Macho Man Randy Savage. He was a middle of the card guy, often feuding over the Intercontinental Championship. I think the only time he actually main evented was very briefly when he was a heel at Survivor Series 1992 and Royal Rumble 1993. His nWo run really elevated him to a top guy and has caused people to view his Razor Ramon run very differently. Diesel, on the other hand, was undoubtedly a main eventer prior to the nWo. In 1994 he captured the WWE, Intercontinental, and Tag Championships, plus he broke the record for most eliminations in a Royal Rumble. Not to mention that his WWE Championship reign was just a week shy of a full year. All these things actually mattered in 1994. As someone who was actively watching during the New Generation Era, there is absolutely no question that Diesel was a much bigger deal and was much higher on the card than Razor. This is absolutely right. Razor was awesome. But he was in that upper mid card tier of the New Generation - him, Owen, Jarrett, 1-2-3, Bulldog, Tatanka, etc. Bret, Shawn, and Diesel were the faces of the New Generation. And they did a bang up job, huh?
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Post by Manute Bol on Jul 3, 2015 15:09:33 GMT -5
This is absolutely right. Razor was awesome. But he was in that upper mid card tier of the New Generation - him, Owen, Jarrett, 1-2-3, Bulldog, Tatanka, etc. Bret, Shawn, and Diesel were the faces of the New Generation. And they did a bang up job, huh? I'd say so, yes. While it's popular to follow everyone else and hate on the New Generation years, people who have actually watched it will tell you that 1993-1996 saw some truely excellent matches. Yes, business was down and all the cool kids make fun of it, but yes everybody mentioned did do a "bang up job" and contributed to a lot of people's favorite matches and storylines.
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Post by Prince Petty on Jul 3, 2015 18:26:42 GMT -5
Diesel had the better WWF career. Razor Ramon was a much, much better wrestler. I'm sure he'd have been WWF Champion multiple times if he hadn't left.
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Post by somsta on Jul 3, 2015 23:50:50 GMT -5
This is absolutely right. Razor was awesome. But he was in that upper mid card tier of the New Generation - him, Owen, Jarrett, 1-2-3, Bulldog, Tatanka, etc. Bret, Shawn, and Diesel were the faces of the New Generation. Undertaker says hello Taker was certainly as big as star as those three, but he was kind of like Andre in the 80's - a larger than life figure that loomed over everyone but was never "the guy." If we're talking 1993-1996 as the "New Generation," Bret main evented the first two Wrestlemanias of the era, then Nash and HBK (Well, WWF title match), then HBK and Bret. It wasn't until 1997 and the beginnings of the Attitide Era that Taker got a real run with the belt and a Mania main event. Even then he played a similar role while Austin and Rock were the face of the generation.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jul 4, 2015 7:22:21 GMT -5
Diesel is the highest drawing WWF champion in history and one of the all time greats. Razor had a great run, but he wasn't close to Big Daddy Cool. He packed 29,000 thousand fans into Madison Square Garden.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 7:24:39 GMT -5
Razor Ramon is just about the coolest motherf***er to ever wrestle so he wins this one.
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Post by lowlystockboy on Jul 4, 2015 8:52:04 GMT -5
Come on, Diesel got the best of Razor on so many occasions. Survivor Series 94 he beat up Fatu, 123 Kid, The Barbarian, Davey Boy Smith, and Razor all by himself like the badass he was. Not to mention he humiliated him at Halloween Havoc 98. Diesel was the better of the two by far.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jul 4, 2015 8:54:51 GMT -5
Diesel is the highest drawing WWF champion in history and one of the all time greats. Razor had a great run, but he wasn't close to Big Daddy Cool. He packed 29,000 thousand fans into Madison Square Garden. Does the Garden even hold that many?
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