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Post by King Devitt: Scrum Guzzler on Jul 2, 2015 4:52:42 GMT -5
I've never been impressed with Davey.
And the only thing I want so hard from The Wolves is Eddie.
Just sayin'
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Jul 2, 2015 5:31:46 GMT -5
Davey's always been a douche and I've never really cared for him in the ring. I remember everyone on the ROH board in the late 00's/early 10's losing their mind over Davey and I just never got it. He is capable of the odd great match (vs. Eddie, Best in the World or vs. Elgin, Showdown in the Sun) but most of his matches devolve into "HEH~ AMERICAN STRONG STYLE!" which is just awful. He's also partly responsible for taking the spot of worst Final Battle main event away from that awful Tyler-Aries Time Limit Draw match.
I'd say I wish TNA had brought the Dojo Bros in if they wanted a tag team with Eddie in it but then again I don't care about TNA and Roddy has been having some of the best matches of his life (no mean feat) this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 5:32:31 GMT -5
Yeeeah I wasn't exactly high on Davey Richards when he was ROH champion. After 2010, I stopped caring after I realized what vacuous charisma he has. His lack of selling bothered (still does) me too. The last time I've ever been invested into his matches was the match he had with Strong from Final Battle 2010. A lot of what you see in TNA is pretty much who he has been for the past 3-4 years now. Kyle O'Reilly does a better job given his legit MMA background, when Davey does it, he just comes off as a wannabe MMA geek that knows a few moves. But I digress.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 2, 2015 6:53:37 GMT -5
That's just what happens when you don't just burn bridges but nuke them as well. Davey DOES have social anxiety issues but there have been a few instances of him not handling things the best.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 7:17:33 GMT -5
I cut him slack because like me he has deep deep social anxiety problems, and in my opinion is why he comes out like a douche, I have the same problem we just don't know how to act around people. I hope that now that he's engaged that she makes him finally happy. Same here always had a bad reputation for how i acted but it was just because i have always had trouble interacting with people.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jul 2, 2015 9:08:27 GMT -5
I cut him slack because like me he has deep deep social anxiety problems, and in my opinion is why he comes out like a douche, I have the same problem we just don't know how to act around people. I hope that now that he's engaged that she makes him finally happy. Same here always had a bad reputation for how i acted but it was just because i have always had trouble interacting with people. Eh, that's fair and all, but I can't write that stuff that went down in Iowa off as "Well, he has trouble interacting with people". Nah, he ripped someone off, beat the shit out of a young wrestler, and completely refused culpability. That goes beyond "social anxiety". Also, whenever I think about Davey's "Great ring work", this is all that comes to mind:
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 2, 2015 9:36:12 GMT -5
Davey Richards is okay but I can kind of see why WWE passed on the Wolves. The main way they got over in ROH from what I saw is by doing a bunch of kicks and no selling stuff, neither of which is likely to impress anyone in WWE. And really for those who like to throw around the "Vanilla Midget" term it really would apply to these guys in a way that I don't think it did to Benoit or Malenko. Benoit was an ultra intense and hard hitting competitor. Malenko's lack of charisma was kind of his gimmick since he was the dead serious "Iceman." Richards and Edwards are two bland guys.
That said, if TNA does go belly up I wouldn't mind them going to NXT and eventually the main roster. Despite their faults they're leagues better than the current WWE tag champs.
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Post by Red Impact on Jul 2, 2015 10:00:14 GMT -5
Same here always had a bad reputation for how i acted but it was just because i have always had trouble interacting with people. Eh, that's fair and all, but I can't write that stuff that went down in Iowa off as "Well, he has trouble interacting with people". Nah, he ripped someone off, beat the shit out of a young wrestler, and completely refused culpability. That goes beyond "social anxiety". Also, whenever I think about Davey's "Great ring work", this is all that comes to mind: Yeah, there's a difference between having difficulty socializing and stealing money from promoters and beating the piss out of a young wrestler because of some vague notion of disrespect. People don't call him a douchebag because he doesn't have John Cena's personality, they do because of his actions.
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Post by JTG Fan on Jul 2, 2015 10:39:54 GMT -5
His downfall was that he won the ROH Title during the big transition period of ROH and he basically disappeared for months and never defended the title, pissing off the ROH faithful. And then he began talking more and more about how he loves jiu jitsu and how wrestling is just a hobby. And then he and Eddie's followup to their great Best in the World Match was a carbon copy of that match in front of a dead crowd. So at this point Steen started busting on him and everyone was like "Thank f***ing god". And then on top of everything else #TeamBandit happened. And then he left ROH under weird terms and jilted WWE to jump on the rapidly sinking TNA ship.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 2, 2015 10:44:05 GMT -5
He's technically a phenomenal wrestler and I'm certainly not gonna sit here and say he's never had a good match.
That said, I'm not big on his style and acting like a complete f***boy is what got him in TNA where cool comes to die and every ounce of star power gets drained out of wrestlers like TNA was one of those androids from Dragon Ball Z.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 10:44:05 GMT -5
Same here always had a bad reputation for how i acted but it was just because i have always had trouble interacting with people. Eh, that's fair and all, but I can't write that stuff that went down in Iowa off as "Well, he has trouble interacting with people". Nah, he ripped someone off, beat the shit out of a young wrestler, and completely refused culpability. That goes beyond "social anxiety". Agreed. I hadn't heard about Davey having social anxiety issues, and I have empathy for that. But there's a line when personal responsibility and character do come into play, and that whole situation was inexcusable.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 2, 2015 10:54:36 GMT -5
Here's another thing about him. He hasn't grown AT ALL. He's been the same dude for years.
Compare that to his former "young boy", Kyle O' Riley. Watching O'Riley on a show in 2011 and now is like night and day. He's gotten better in literally every aspect. Davey, on the other hand, is the exact same dude that he was in 2011. That's pathetic. The old saying is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" but how the f*** can you not say that you are broke when looking at where you are at in your career now compared to 2-3 years ago?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 2, 2015 12:51:07 GMT -5
Never been a Davey fan, minus when he was the bag boy of Strong and Romero in ROH. He was never going to get higher up in wrestling than he got. IMO, he just copies the cool moves he sees from Japan and his psychology is lacking badly. Funnily enough there's a wrestler in Total Extreme Wrestling 2013 that is Davey down to a hilt, down to that very same criticism. That is clearly meant to be Davey. Right down to the American Cobra bit. (since Davey and Eddie were the American Wolves pre-tna)
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jul 2, 2015 12:56:03 GMT -5
the Kozina incident didn't help, either. who wants to hire someone like that?
and as a guy with a serious anxiety disorder I really resent people using it as an excuse for being a total douchebag.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 2, 2015 14:04:05 GMT -5
Funnily enough there's a wrestler in Total Extreme Wrestling 2013 that is Davey down to a hilt, down to that very same criticism. That is clearly meant to be Davey. Right down to the American Cobra bit. (since Davey and Eddie were the American Wolves pre-tna) His partner should've been named Charlie Charles, Jamie James or Mikey Michaels.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 16:17:28 GMT -5
Same here always had a bad reputation for how i acted but it was just because i have always had trouble interacting with people. Eh, that's fair and all, but I can't write that stuff that went down in Iowa off as "Well, he has trouble interacting with people". Nah, he ripped someone off, beat the shit out of a young wrestler, and completely refused culpability. That goes beyond "social anxiety". Also, whenever I think about Davey's "Great ring work", this is all that comes to mind: Yeah that Final Battle match sucked but it was Kozina who beat up the young wrestler and Davey actually did give back the money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 16:47:27 GMT -5
Eh, that's fair and all, but I can't write that stuff that went down in Iowa off as "Well, he has trouble interacting with people". Nah, he ripped someone off, beat the shit out of a young wrestler, and completely refused culpability. That goes beyond "social anxiety". Also, whenever I think about Davey's "Great ring work", this is all that comes to mind: Yeah that Final Battle match sucked but it was Kozina who beat up the young wrestler and Davey actually did give back the money. IIRC, he gave back the money a week or so later due to public pressure. It's not like he realized he did something stupid and gave the money back ten minutes after he stole it. I don't know if it was your intent, but it reads like you think giving back the money makes it all ok. It doesn't. He wasn't going to give the money back if the story didn't get out.
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Post by chrom on Jul 2, 2015 16:53:41 GMT -5
Guy forced a Europe promotion to pay him double claiming since he was the champion of it he should be or else he refused to wrestle for them and would no show.
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Post by DSR on Jul 2, 2015 17:03:08 GMT -5
I still like Davey. I enjoyed him in ROH in 2011-2012, he had some great matches, and I loved the speech he gave right after he won the world title. I look back on those days with fondness, even though I know a lot of people weren't thrilled with him/the state of ROH at the time.
I do have to admit that a lot of what's been said in this thread is true, though, about how he's been kinda shitty on occasion and he hasn't really grown as a performer while Kyle O'Reilly, his former protege, just keeps getting better and better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 17:04:13 GMT -5
Yeah that Final Battle match sucked but it was Kozina who beat up the young wrestler and Davey actually did give back the money. IIRC, he gave back the money a week or so later due to public pressure. It's not like he realized he did something stupid and gave the money back ten minutes after he stole it. I don't know if it was your intent, but it reads like you think giving back the money makes it all ok. It doesn't. He wasn't going to give the money back if the story didn't get out. No it wasn't my intent and i apologize that it came out that way it's just that it keeps being brought up over and over again and everyone seems to forget that he did pay it back so while it wasn't okay by any means it isn't like he kept it and has done it again since.That said i got no problem with hating his matches.
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