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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Jul 2, 2015 14:44:30 GMT -5
So we all know during the attitude era "breaking the forth wall" so to speak became commonplace in mainstream wrestling and most people dont like it, I do just because it's so hilarious. But I'm curious what were the first instances of angles like this, whether it be insider terms in promos, referring to real life events in wrestler's personal lives, or even inside jokes and ribs in wrestler's names and gimmicks such as Virgil being named after Dusty and later Vince, or whatever else. I'm sure you guys have some interesting knowledge on this.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jul 2, 2015 16:31:21 GMT -5
Shawn fears Enziguiri?
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Post by karl100589 on Jul 2, 2015 16:56:39 GMT -5
A couple that come to mind for me: -Paul Bearer's gimmick being a reference to his real life time as a mortician. - Curt Hennig referring to the Goon as his real name Bill Irwin at a time when Kayfebe was still strong - JR's Heel promo which outed Vince as the owner of the company. - Hogan's heel turn interview where he references 'the big company up North'
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Post by Clawley Race on Jul 3, 2015 0:35:11 GMT -5
Mero calling Sal Sincere by Tom Brandi.
Really, the WM3 and especially 5 events had some truth in their feuds, if nothing else...
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Post by Chainsaw on Jul 3, 2015 0:47:41 GMT -5
"I respect you...Bookerman."
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jul 3, 2015 2:03:31 GMT -5
A lot of the Ronnie Garvin/Randy Savage feud in ICW got pretty vicious with the (pre-planned) personal stuff, including Garvin bringing up Savage getting arrested for shoplifting a steak then-recently.
After Chris Adams got out of jail for assaulting a flight attendant, Watts and the UWF built his repentant babyface character up around it for a while; when Iceman Parsons turned heel on him, Parsons started referring to him almost always as Jailbird.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 3, 2015 3:55:34 GMT -5
That's not Saba Simba, that's Tony Atlas!!!
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Jul 3, 2015 5:14:11 GMT -5
I just remembered the thought that inspired this thread was I was reading the Diesel/Razor thread in the main section and was reminded of the fake versions and it brought me back to watching that segment as a kid where they debuted me being kind of confused thinking like "so they're admitting the wrestlers are playing characters here or...?"
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jul 3, 2015 6:05:05 GMT -5
A lot of the Ronnie Garvin/Randy Savage feud in ICW got pretty vicious with the (pre-planned) personal stuff, including Garvin bringing up Savage getting arrested for shoplifting a steak then-recently. After Chris Adams got out of jail for assaulting a flight attendant, Watts and the UWF built his repentant babyface character up around it for a while; when Iceman Parsons turned heel on him, Parsons started referring to him almost always as Jailbird. There was also the Ken Patera/Bobby Heenan feud of 1987 which was based around Patera's real life arrest for trying to break into a McDonald's after hours. And Crush was brought back to the WWF in 1996 based on the fact he was a reformed convict as he legit served some time for steroid and gun possession a year prior. His reintroduction vignette to the fed was shot like he was having a parole hearing.
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Post by Racksman on Jul 3, 2015 10:46:46 GMT -5
The feud between the Midnight Express and the "Original" Midnight Express in WCW in late '88/early '89. Paul E had a classic line in an interview where Dennis Condrey pulled out a dollar when saying something about how much MX were worth, and Paul blurts out "Ah, Dennis, I see you cashed one of Verne's checks."
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Post by Racksman on Jul 3, 2015 10:48:36 GMT -5
Great angle. Scarred me as a kid. Figured whenever someone would take that move, their career was over. Then it started happening all the time, and it killed the move for me.
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Post by ededdneddy on Jul 3, 2015 13:00:31 GMT -5
Jim Cornette: "This is Jim Cornette, and the views that I'm about to express are not necessarily those of anybody else but me. But they oughta be. And as a matter of fact, they probably are.
You know, a lot of things in the wrestling world make me cranky these days. Especially the way some talent is treated and some talent is looked at by not only the promoters but some wrestling fans as well.
For example, a man like Arn Anderson who just had to retire from this sport, after giving it his entire life, because of some injury he suffered. A guy like "Nature Boy" Ric Flair, who in my opinion, is one of the greatest talents in the history of this business. Guys like Mankind, Cactus Jack,,Dude Love, whatever you want to call him. Great talents in the WWF or WCW.
But who gets a lot of the attention, from the wrestling fans especially? Guys like the NWO, the New World Order. You know, all the fans think these guys are so cool and so sweeeeet, and so funny. Well, as far as I'm concerned, the NWO is like a bunch of guys meeting out in the backyard in a clubhouse in a tree. They're guys who, all they have to do...They got the easiest job in the world...All they have to do is go out there and be themselves. Childish, obnoxious, adolescent guys with a case of severe,arrested emotional develpoment, and a fixation on trying to act macho.
You got a guy like Kevin Nash, 40 years old, trying to act like a teenager. Far as I'm concerned, the biggest "no-talent" in the business. He's got six moves, no mobility, and enough timing to cover-up for some of it. But what he does is he goes around and manipulates. Kevin Nash had a multi-million dollar promotional company, the WWF, push him to the moon to make him a star, and what does he do? He leaves...After he gives his word he's staying, so by the way, he's a liar, too...He leaves and he goes to WCW for a big contract. Why? More on that later.
You got a guy like Scott Hall, who's a good wrestler, but "good" is about it. He's the best of the bunch. But he had the same million dollar promotional company make him a star, after being in the business 10 years without putting three asses in a seat. And what does he do? He goes to WCW for a big contract. Why? More on that later.
And then you got a guy... Syxx, 1-2-3 Kid, his name's Sean Waltman. Whatever you want to call him. As far as I'm concerned, the only reason he's employed is because the other guys think he's funny when he gets drunk and throws up on himself. He has the distinction, in case you haven't noticed, of being the only guy since this "wrestling war" got started, that was released from a valid contract from one company to go to the other side, which shows you,how valuable he is.
You know why they're all employed? Why they're all in the spot they are today? Because of Eric Bischoff. The boss of WCW, not the NWO. Look at the credits on the PPV if you can get one for free. The idiot's name is on it. He's the boss of WCW. He works for Ted Turner. And he throws a billionaire's money around, just like water, so he can have guys that he likes to hang out with.
Because, even more than being a mark...Yeah, for his own face and his own voice...Eric Bischoff is a guy who's a big fan of hanging around studly guys with long hair and beards, that smoke cigars, and ride Harley's. So that some of that can rub off on his little pansy-ass frame. So he takes,that billionaire's money, and he throws that around like water to buy guys that he can hang around, to prove that his "johnson" is bigger than everybody else's.
And that's the sole reason the NWO guys are employed.
I think, me personally, that it's about time that the wrestling fans and the promoters, all of them in this business, start recognizing guys like "Nature Boy" Ric Flair, like Arn Anderson, like Cactus Jack. Guys who bust their ass. Who work hard, and have ability and talent to get where they are. Instead of a bunch of guys that get to their spot by hanging around with the boss and sucking-up.
I'm Jim Cornette, and that's my opinion."
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jul 3, 2015 15:00:57 GMT -5
A lot of the Ronnie Garvin/Randy Savage feud in ICW got pretty vicious with the (pre-planned) personal stuff, including Garvin bringing up Savage getting arrested for shoplifting a steak then-recently. After Chris Adams got out of jail for assaulting a flight attendant, Watts and the UWF built his repentant babyface character up around it for a while; when Iceman Parsons turned heel on him, Parsons started referring to him almost always as Jailbird. For that matter, a lot of the stuff the Poffos did to antagonize Jerry Jarrett back when they were running opposing territories has to be up there.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jul 3, 2015 15:59:27 GMT -5
A lot of the Ronnie Garvin/Randy Savage feud in ICW got pretty vicious with the (pre-planned) personal stuff, including Garvin bringing up Savage getting arrested for shoplifting a steak then-recently. After Chris Adams got out of jail for assaulting a flight attendant, Watts and the UWF built his repentant babyface character up around it for a while; when Iceman Parsons turned heel on him, Parsons started referring to him almost always as Jailbird. For that matter, a lot of the stuff the Poffos did to antagonize Jerry Jarrett back when they were running opposing territories has to be up there. Well, most of that was actually real shooting, as opposed to worked shoots. Jarrett and Poffo were definitely not in league together on it.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jul 3, 2015 16:11:20 GMT -5
For that matter, a lot of the stuff the Poffos did to antagonize Jerry Jarrett back when they were running opposing territories has to be up there. Well, most of that was actually real shooting, as opposed to worked shoots. Jarrett and Poffo were definitely not in league together on it. Oh, yeah, touche. I just remember Jim Cornette talking a lot about it on the Wrestling Gold DVD set. Stuff like the Poffos using shoot names on television, etc...fascinating stuff.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jul 3, 2015 17:41:15 GMT -5
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Jul 4, 2015 0:30:19 GMT -5
- JR's Heel promo which outed Vince as the owner of the company. I'm not sure if this the same era as the fake Diesel/Razor angle I mentioned above but it really is hilarious listening to a match out of context from that time and you hear good old JR being all snarky and complaining about semi-real stuff, I cant remember when or what was said but I remember hearing it on a couple macthes from then looking back. Also the likes of the Cornette promos, whats interesting is that as a Saturday morning show kid viewer I had never seen these at the time, they could obviously only stuff what they could into the hour and if it was R shit or somehow controversial it wouldn't be played on the Saturday morning show (Blast Off?). Ir was only years later that I discovered how much I was missing back then (even though I used to also listen to RAW through the scrambled feed around 1999, unless you lived through them shows you have no idea how important they felt at the time).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2015 12:51:04 GMT -5
Jim Cornette: "This is Jim Cornette, and the views that I'm about to express are not necessarily those of anybody else but me. But they oughta be. And as a matter of fact, they probably are. You know, a lot of things in the wrestling world make me cranky these days. Especially the way some talent is treated and some talent is looked at by not only the promoters but some wrestling fans as well. For example, a man like Arn Anderson who just had to retire from this sport, after giving it his entire life, because of some injury he suffered. A guy like "Nature Boy" Ric Flair, who in my opinion, is one of the greatest talents in the history of this business. Guys like Mankind, Cactus Jack,,Dude Love, whatever you want to call him. Great talents in the WWF or WCW. But who gets a lot of the attention, from the wrestling fans especially? Guys like the NWO, the New World Order. You know, all the fans think these guys are so cool and so sweeeeet, and so funny. Well, as far as I'm concerned, the NWO is like a bunch of guys meeting out in the backyard in a clubhouse in a tree. They're guys who, all they have to do...They got the easiest job in the world...All they have to do is go out there and be themselves. Childish, obnoxious, adolescent guys with a case of severe,arrested emotional develpoment, and a fixation on trying to act macho. You got a guy like Kevin Nash, 40 years old, trying to act like a teenager. Far as I'm concerned, the biggest "no-talent" in the business. He's got six moves, no mobility, and enough timing to cover-up for some of it. But what he does is he goes around and manipulates. Kevin Nash had a multi-million dollar promotional company, the WWF, push him to the moon to make him a star, and what does he do? He leaves...After he gives his word he's staying, so by the way, he's a liar, too...He leaves and he goes to WCW for a big contract. Why? More on that later. You got a guy like Scott Hall, who's a good wrestler, but "good" is about it. He's the best of the bunch. But he had the same million dollar promotional company make him a star, after being in the business 10 years without putting three asses in a seat. And what does he do? He goes to WCW for a big contract. Why? More on that later. And then you got a guy... Syxx, 1-2-3 Kid, his name's Sean Waltman. Whatever you want to call him. As far as I'm concerned, the only reason he's employed is because the other guys think he's funny when he gets drunk and throws up on himself. He has the distinction, in case you haven't noticed, of being the only guy since this "wrestling war" got started, that was released from a valid contract from one company to go to the other side, which shows you,how valuable he is. You know why they're all employed? Why they're all in the spot they are today? Because of Eric Bischoff. The boss of WCW, not the NWO. Look at the credits on the PPV if you can get one for free. The idiot's name is on it. He's the boss of WCW. He works for Ted Turner. And he throws a billionaire's money around, just like water, so he can have guys that he likes to hang out with. Because, even more than being a mark...Yeah, for his own face and his own voice...Eric Bischoff is a guy who's a big fan of hanging around studly guys with long hair and beards, that smoke cigars, and ride Harley's. So that some of that can rub off on his little pansy-ass frame. So he takes,that billionaire's money, and he throws that around like water to buy guys that he can hang around, to prove that his "johnson" is bigger than everybody else's. And that's the sole reason the NWO guys are employed. I think, me personally, that it's about time that the wrestling fans and the promoters, all of them in this business, start recognizing guys like "Nature Boy" Ric Flair, like Arn Anderson, like Cactus Jack. Guys who bust their ass. Who work hard, and have ability and talent to get where they are. Instead of a bunch of guys that get to their spot by hanging around with the boss and sucking-up. I'm Jim Cornette, and that's my opinion." And this led to Aztec Warrior Jeff Jarrett and the nWa invasion......
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Post by jwarr on Jul 5, 2015 21:26:36 GMT -5
Old school worked-shoots don't get any better than Lawler/Kaufman, IMO.
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Post by theshockmaster on Jul 6, 2015 16:58:24 GMT -5
Old school worked-shoots don't get any better than Lawler/Kaufman, IMO. Might be my choice for greatest ever. It transcended wrestling. Kaufman always blurred the line between reality and a show, so he was perfect for wrestling. It was also when Lawler was a complete badass. I still consider their confrontation the greatest moment in Letterman history.
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