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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 7, 2015 13:48:46 GMT -5
This implies that John Cena would actually present himself in an entirely different, novel sort of way as a WWE TV character, something he's desperately needed for years now. Doesn't matter. It looks like he'll never be appreciated regardless. He will when he finally leaves/retire. When he comes back after a couple of years, he'll be treated like a conquering hero before the crowd turns against him once more.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 13:50:52 GMT -5
Gotta love fans saying 'Let me tell you what Cena really means and why he did this personally." Or bashing him for not using his position of power to push his buddies even though Triple H still gets criticized for it to this day. Perfect response lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 14:00:07 GMT -5
Cena is definitely pandering to the crowd, trying to gain the respect/acknowledgement of the fanbase that has hated him for a decade. I don't think that's debatable with the talent he has been facing lately and his new in ring style which seems to be inspired by Davey Richards.
Honestly, I think that's smart of Cena. He already has the kids and women. If no-selling and high spot after high spot is what will get the smarky crowd to give him respect for his in ring work, then better to pander to them knowing you already have the other side in the bag.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 7, 2015 14:05:23 GMT -5
Cena is definitely pandering to the crowd, trying to gain the respect/acknowledgement of the fanbase that has hated him for a decade. I don't think that's debatable with the talent he has been facing lately and his new in ring style which seems to be inspired by Davey Richards. Honestly, I think that's smart of Cena. He already has the kids and women. If no-selling and high spot after high spot is what will get the smarky crowd to give him respect for his in ring work, then better to pander to them knowing you already have the other side in the bag. For a man who's made tens of millions from his large, devoted fanbase and who is confident enough to encourage the chants against him and allow an anti-Cena shirt, I really, really, really doubt that.
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Post by ededdneddy on Jul 7, 2015 14:05:59 GMT -5
And nothing will be gained from this in the long run. Cena will still be on top and seen as the best and Cesaro will continue to have great matches and show great skill but will continue to be deemed as "Too Swiss" or just still can't connect with the crowd even though he already has.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 7, 2015 14:13:38 GMT -5
Praise from Cena.
That'll help.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 14:17:17 GMT -5
Cena is definitely pandering to the crowd, trying to gain the respect/acknowledgement of the fanbase that has hated him for a decade. I don't think that's debatable with the talent he has been facing lately and his new in ring style which seems to be inspired by Davey Richards. Honestly, I think that's smart of Cena. He already has the kids and women. If no-selling and high spot after high spot is what will get the smarky crowd to give him respect for his in ring work, then better to pander to them knowing you already have the other side in the bag. For a man who's made tens of millions from his large, devoted fanbase and who is confident enough to encourage the chants against him and allow an anti-Cena shirt, I really, really, really doubt that. So he suddenly started working 30 minute no-sell spot fests for the kids?
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 7, 2015 14:24:13 GMT -5
"Well, the last time I congratulated an opponent after defeating him, and telling him that he deserves to be on the roster, it worked out great, so let's do that again!" Cena doesn't have control on what creative will do with someone after they feud/have a match with him. Why would he not put over someone to the live crowd just because creative might not push that person?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 7, 2015 14:35:42 GMT -5
Please, PLEASE stop trying to paint "pandering" as some sort of negative. It's one of the main foundations of the wrestling business.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jul 7, 2015 14:38:00 GMT -5
I never fail to be amazed by the high standards of behaviour Cena is held to. Now he's responsible for ensuring TV time for people?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 14:44:09 GMT -5
Cena pandering to smarks is only going to help him in the long run, as his reactions should improve if they start to respect his in ring work. He doesn't need to do it but he's smart to try. You have to adapt to the environment. Hogan went to Japan and wrestled a completely different style because he was smart to the business. Cena changing his style up is pandering, whether looked at negatively or positively, but he should be doing that if itimproves live reactions and doesn't change anything else when it comes to his ability to sell merchandise.
I'm actually more offended that what Cena is doing now is what gets him respected in the first place, but that's more telling of how wrestling has changed than anything else. I'm not a fan of the false finishes, high spot after high spot, no psychology wrestling that seems to be the new norm.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 7, 2015 14:50:04 GMT -5
Cena pandering to smarks is only going to help him in the long run, as his reactions should improve if they start to respect his in ring work. He doesn't need to do it but he's smart to try. You have to adapt to the environment. Hogan went to Japan and wrestled a completely different style because he was smart to the business. Cena changing his style up is pandering, whether looked at negatively or positively, but he should be doing that if itimproves live reactions and doesn't change anything else when it comes to his ability to sell merchandise. I'm actually more offended that what Cena is doing now is what gets him respected in the first place, but that's more telling of how wrestling has changed than anything else. I'm not a fan of the false finishes, high spot after high spot, no psychology wrestling that seems to be the new norm. Trying to make fans happy is essentially what "pandering" is. It might not work with every member of the audience, no wrestler can win every single fan over. But pandering in wrestling cannot truly be a "negative".
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Post by machomuta on Jul 7, 2015 14:52:59 GMT -5
It is pretty sad, that the Cena haters are never going to give him the respect he deserves.
Vince is the guy who doesnt like Ceaaro not Cena.
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Jul 7, 2015 15:00:14 GMT -5
The exaggerated Cena praise and the snarky jabs at anyone who dares criticize him has become about as annoying as the obnoxious Cena hate and the snarky jabs at anyone who dares compliment him.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 7, 2015 15:02:10 GMT -5
John Cena is one of the most universally praised wrestlers in the world right now due to his in ring work and his promos, so luckily anybody annoyed at the criticism he receives doesn't really have much to worry about any more
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Post by Dub H on Jul 7, 2015 15:12:43 GMT -5
See,i don't care about Cena intentions,i don't hate OR love him praising Cesaro afterwards
Because it amounts to jack shit,it won't help anybody,no one will gain anything from it.
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Post by stealthamo on Jul 7, 2015 15:22:32 GMT -5
Honestly, it feels to me at this point that people are upset that Cena isn't going to get 100% praise. Was Cena pandering to the crowd with that promo last night? I don't know, and neither do you. Cena's the only one that knows for sure. But just because a few people question his motivations doesn't mean they automatically hate the dude. And honestly, the way some people on here are reacting to the questioning is making me dislike Cena more, which I'm pretty sure is their opposite intention.
Personally, I don't think the promo will mean a damn thing. Because WWE is so damn wishy-washy on people that even if they're planning on pushing Cesaro, within a month they won't. Maybe it's Cena showing the guys backstage the people like Cesaro, or maybe it's Cena going "See guys, I like the guys you like too!" Either way, whatever effect it was supposed to have will be null and void in a week, if it hasn't been already.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 16:04:52 GMT -5
Jeeze, talk about fans blowing things out of proportion.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jul 7, 2015 16:40:08 GMT -5
Honestly, it feels to me at this point that people are upset that Cena isn't going to get 100% praise. Was Cena pandering to the crowd with that promo last night? I don't know, and neither do you. Cena's the only one that knows for sure. But just because a few people question his motivations doesn't mean they automatically hate the dude. And honestly, the way some people on here are reacting to the questioning is making me dislike Cena more, which I'm pretty sure is their opposite intention. Personally, I don't think the promo will mean a damn thing. Because WWE is so damn wishy-washy on people that even if they're planning on pushing Cesaro, within a month they won't. Maybe it's Cena showing the guys backstage the people like Cesaro, or maybe it's Cena going "See guys, I like the guys you like too!" Either way, whatever effect it was supposed to have will be null and void in a week, if it hasn't been already. First off, Great post. just to adress my viewpoint (as I've defended Cena and probably fall into the category you talked about) For me it isn't that. I understand most of the criticism about him and agree with a great deal of it. If I personally cause you to dislike Cena then I do apologize. To explain my viewpoint: I have been watching wrestling for 30+ years and by and large most main guys have turned out to be people who aren't respectful to the business or turn out to be major assholes in real life. Hell, wrestling is filled with guys who aren't exactly good people. Some of the top guys in the history of the business are also some of the most disgusting. Pro Wrestling is filled with stories of things from refusing to drop belts, politics, destroying careers and drug abuse to things far worse such as rape and murder. It really is a shameful history in many instances. Then I see a guy like Cena and to me it is refreshing to have a guy on top that is controversy free and that appears to simply love wrestling, doesn't whine about the fans who against him and actually embraces them and then does small things like putting over guys like Cesaro to the crowd. Never have heard a story about him refusing to job or drop a belt. In addition to that he appears to be a pretty decent guy in real life. To me of every big star he seems to be the one that deserves more respect than almost anyone yet is criticized more than almost anyone, many times for things beyond his control. It gets tiring that every time Cena does something, no matter how small or insignificant it seems to be almost followed by criticism. Any time he wins a match you can almost guarantee a "f**K you Cena" post. Just wish there could be posts about him that aren't automatically followed by petty criticism. If he is in a match and no sells a powerbomb to the floor or has a promo or match someone doesn't like I totally get the criticism and have no problem with that. When they guy praises a guy to the live audience off-camera and gets questioned it makes me shake my head. I am also a huge fan of Daniel Bryan for the same reason. It is refreshing to see guys who seem to love the business and appear to be genuinely good guys in real life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 16:42:37 GMT -5
See,i don't care about Cena intentions,i don't hate OR love him praising Cesaro afterwards Because it amounts to jack shit,it won't help anybody,no one will gain anything from it. I care about his intentions because they're interesting to dissect. He's much more complex than the sides want suggest. It's either "he's a piece of shit out for himself and himself only" or "he's this altruistic, Christ-figure who never gets any credit for his selfless deeds". The people who think the latter can't even handle the suggestion that he might be in the middle, and that some of his good deeds are for personal benefit along with the greater good. There's nothing even wrong with that, I just don't happen to think it deserves much praise. It's the same reason that I don't praise WWE for their breast cancer awareness stuff, they're making money on it and that's why they're doing it. Cena's not making money putting Cesaro over, but it's PR. He's basically a corporation in himself, and that is how he operates.
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