Time Limit Draws

[Aboutreika18]

What do people think about bringing these back?

I remember thinking a draw would've been a perfect result in that Cena vs Cesaro match last year and once again tonight I was reminded of the same thing.

A way to make both guys look good without either technically beating each other, what do we say?

[Mayonnaise]

I'd love to see them and that is what I was expecting to be honest. I was going through the DVR and notice I had like a minute left and was thinking the DVR was going to miss it, started hoping they'd use the old "TV has run out" line or something.

Really giving one of the titles say a 30 minute time limit (US since Cena is the only one of the two mid card champs that can go this long) could open a whole new world to the booking of the matches.

[Macho Pichu]

Jul 6, 2015 23:14:38 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

I'd love to see them and that is what I was expecting to be honest. I was going through the DVR and notice I had like a minute left and was thinking the DVR was going to miss it, started hoping they'd use the old "TV has run out" line or something.

Really giving one of the titles say a 30 minute time limit (US since Cena is the only one of the two mid card champs that can go this long) could open a whole new world to the booking of the matches.

Why not do this for every title? For the IC title, you could make sure that all of Ryback's matches are triple threat. That's way, his two opponents could hold down the bulk of the match and then he can come in at the end and hit a double Shellshock like a boss.

[mizerable]

I'm for them.

I'm also for true enhancement talent. No more of the even odds booking. It's one of the reason I liked getting behind Ryback.

[Mayonnaise]

Jul 6, 2015 23:23:40 GMT -5 Macho Pichu said:

Jul 6, 2015 23:14:38 GMT -5 Mayonnaise said:

I'd love to see them and that is what I was expecting to be honest. I was going through the DVR and notice I had like a minute left and was thinking the DVR was going to miss it, started hoping they'd use the old "TV has run out" line or something.

Really giving one of the titles say a 30 minute time limit (US since Cena is the only one of the two mid card champs that can go this long) could open a whole new world to the booking of the matches.

Why not do this for every title? For the IC title, you could make sure that all of Ryback's matches are triple threat. That's way, his two opponents could hold down the bulk of the match and then he can come in at the end and hit a double Shellshock like a boss.

*shudders* You just brought back bad memories of the Hogan/Bischoff X Division days. *shudders*

I just looked at giving one of them a gimmick so there was a better reason for two existing. Plus it could allow for a different division to develop so to speak where you have the Cesaro, Bryan, Cena, Owens, Zayn types where you give the crowd that good to great match that they'll remember, almost like how the hardcore division's craziness helped all those guys out.

[Deleted]

This would be fine. Just need to announce some matches as having a time limit for a bit, so that when you hear "20 minute time limit!" out of the blue you don't roll your eyes immediately in the main event.

Was done pretty regularly in the 80s. So many matches had announced time limits by the FInk you didn't really think anything of it.

[edgehead]

I'm all for it and tonight would have been absolutely perfect. Just as long as they don't get overused.

[HMARK Center]

They're a fantastic booking tool to get over how evenly matched two guys are, or to get over other aspects of a storyline (e.g. guy chasing a title for a long time comes THIS close, babyface couldn't put the heel away for good, underdog face survives brutal heel challenge, etc.). You can't make it obvious that they're happening, though; announce each match's time limit, and only ever announce "five minutes remaining!" in matches with 60 minute limits.

People prefer decisive winners, which is why WWE's 50/50 booking style and constant interference endings are obnoxious, but they'd likely be ok with some draws here and there if you book them decisively, with a clear plan in mind, not just having them for the sake of having them).

[Deleted]

I've wanted time limits back for years, but last night it would've been perfect.

[lovingway]

In all honesty they should have them for all matches. Then for the PPVs or "special events" have no time limits so you can be guaranteed to get a winner, which this drives people to order the network or PPV

[Vice honcho room temperature]

Honestly its an easy way to make two guys look even but its also easy to abuse. Still they should be using all the booking tricks regularly so to not have this one in regular rotation is odd to me.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

I like it because it gives them more tools in the toolbox to make better decisions. It could allow a chicken heel to retain his title by the skin of his teeth. It could be used to elevate a talent by having him hang with a main eventer without losing. There are lots of possibilities. Plus it makes the whole show much more realistic. RAW is a three hour show and cannot go any longer than that in theory because it has a set timeslot. So it is just a really odd coincidence that the matches always go the perfect length to reach three hours (I even remember RAW doing a countdown to a world title match during another match and I was like "how can you know exactly when this current match will end!?"). If this was an actual sport, shows could never end if there were no time limits. Cesaro/Cena could go 45 minutes and reach 11:30! Putting in time limits removes that issue and they have done it before. Watch any RAW in 1998 and Tony Chimel would always announce the time limit for the match.

[Bo Rida]

^ Yeah that's one of the big plus points, I think WWE should be doing a more sports style presentation and time limits would help with that.

However on present form I wouldn’t trust WWE to use them correctly, it would be abused and become another crutch.
It's largely unavoidable that fans can quickly work out matches that have no chance of having a clean finish, the thought of having to sit through 30-60 mins to get to the inevitable conclusion would make them even worse.

That said I'd be OK with so long as
30-60 mins - Was only used a couple of times a year
5-20 mins - Part of a specific open challenge

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Jul 7, 2015 9:26:08 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

I like it because it gives them more tools in the toolbox to make better decisions. It could allow a chicken heel to retain his title by the skin of his teeth. It could be used to elevate a talent by having him hang with a main eventer without losing. There are lots of possibilities. Plus it makes the whole show much more realistic. RAW is a three hour show and cannot go any longer than that in theory because it has a set timeslot. So it is just a really odd coincidence that the matches always go the perfect length to reach three hours (I even remember RAW doing a countdown to a world title match during another match and I was like "how can you know exactly when this current match will end!?"). If this was an actual sport, shows could never end if there were no time limits. Cesaro/Cena could go 45 minutes and reach 11:30! Putting in time limits removes that issue and they have done it before. Watch any RAW in 1998 and Tony Chimel would always announce the time limit for the match.

It would be such a great ending to Brock Lesnar vs Seth Rollins.....Rollins manages to make it to the time limit at a count of 2, then throws the biggest celebration ever - fireworks, the whole Authority out there holding him on their shoulders, etc.

[Nickybojelais]

Jul 6, 2015 23:56:55 GMT -5 @bootytime said:

This would be fine. Just need to announce some matches as having a time limit for a bit, so that when you hear "20 minute time limit!" out of the blue you don't roll your eyes immediately in the main event.

Was done pretty regularly in the 80s. So many matches had announced time limits by the FInk you didn't really think anything of it.

It would also rely on some consistency on commentary too. Sadly I could see the unsubtle style of WWE commentary completely spoiling a time limit finish from the moment the opening bell sounds.

[JCBaggee]

15-20 minute time limit for regular matches.

30-50 minutes for title matches.

Pepper in the occasional Iron Man match, and hype that No Holds Barred/Extreme Rules matches and the such have no time limits.

It adds a little something. Plus, it helps a lot of your talent look "better". It looks a lot better when the face fails to capture the title because he just wasn't fast enough putting the heel champ away than when he gets kicked in the balls week after week after week and keeps losing.

[pegasuswarrior]

Yes? Absolutely yes. And more DQ finishes and count-outs.

Make wins and losses matter.

[Ryback on a Pole!]

They tend to be my go-to result on TEW 2013 when I don't want the champ to do the job but I also want the challenger to keep strong.

[Crappler El 0 M]

First you'd have to bring back time limits.

[kevin]

The double count out works better.