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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jul 27, 2015 14:00:06 GMT -5
Put Hogan in a room with Foley and Foley, even after all of the chair shots to tthe head would still be the smartest guy in the room by a large margin! Foley, despite what we saw him as a wrestler, is actually pretty well spoken and articulate Absolutely. It's the contrast between those two that I find striking.
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Post by somsta on Jul 27, 2015 14:01:09 GMT -5
Even if Hogan is depressed, he still doesn't get a pass for saying what he said. I've struggled with depression myself, which once got so bad that I nearly had to be placed in an institution for fear of hurting myself. However, not once in that time did I ever have a feeling of hatred towards another race. Hogan is a racist, plain and simple. The man clearly said it himself, and even retweeted a tweet which asked why he can't get a pass for saying that word but others can. There's no getting around that. Lucky you, but someone suffering from depression would be wise enough to not compare their situation with others. There is'nt ONE form of depression or mental illness. Exactly. We don't know the depths of Hogan's depression or mental state at the time. I mean, after all he just found out his daughter was dating a black guy!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 14:01:31 GMT -5
Even if Hogan is depressed, he still doesn't get a pass for saying what he said. I've struggled with depression myself, which once got so bad that I nearly had to be placed in an institution for fear of hurting myself. However, not once in that time did I ever have a feeling of hatred towards another race. Hogan is a racist, plain and simple. The man clearly said it himself, and even retweeted a tweet which asked why he can't get a pass for saying that word but others can. There's no getting around that. Lucky you, but someone suffering from depression would be wise enough to not compare their situation with others. There is'nt ONE form of depression or mental illness. Anf having depression is not an excuse for any behaviour. People who are depressed can do things outside of their control, but those who want to recover will show energy to repair it.
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Post by kieran on Jul 27, 2015 14:02:26 GMT -5
On a side, who believes that it's actually Hogan himself running his Twitter account? You think his Twitter profile is his main concern right now? No doubt that the Tweets have been stupid but I think Hulk has FAAAR more pressing matters at the moment. That's exactly why it's him. He's sitting there trying to do his own version of damage control and making himself look like an idiot. I doubt it, more likely holed up with a team of lawyers.
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Post by kieran on Jul 27, 2015 14:04:00 GMT -5
Lucky you, but someone suffering from depression would be wise enough to not compare their situation with others. There is'nt ONE form of depression or mental illness. Anf having depression is not an excuse for any behaviour. People who are depressed can do things outside of their control, but those who want to recover will show energy to repair it. Really? It must have taken you DECADES to compile that information from hundreds of thousands of people with depression, I hope to see a paper on the subject published soon!
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 27, 2015 14:07:29 GMT -5
We're now in a cooling down period. Those of you who have just jumped in to this thread or back in after leaving for awhile should really the last 5 or so pages and see how point blank some of the discussion you are attempting to bring has been shut down and ordered not to be brought back up.
Also, the Rules still apply here and some of you need to go read them before you post in here should we decide to re-open it.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jul 27, 2015 14:07:28 GMT -5
I'm so glad people read and listen to what I post. Warnings for everybody.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jul 28, 2015 21:20:10 GMT -5
Not once... Child pornography? (Not accusing anyone of anything, but that is definitely something worse than adultery and making some racist slurs) Ok let's just stop this line of speculation right there. Thanks. Not twice... But three times... KEEP THIS THREAD ON TOPIC. THIS THREAD DOES **NOT** DEAL WITH SEXISM, HOMOPHOBIA, PEDOPHILIA NOR ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE TOPIC AT HAND. ...an admin has had to step in this thread to tell you posters to stop. With pedo allegations, using kiddie porn enthusiasts as a strawman example for closeted racists, and veering this conversation in ways that DOESN'T concern *racism*, it's gotten sloppy. All this thread is about is *racism*. Keep on point. We've made it 85 pages with good arguments and interesting points of views and general civility. Somewhere in the last ten of these pages it's gotten sloppy though. Be better than that. I'll unlock it now and y'all can try to not be ridiculous.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jul 28, 2015 21:33:52 GMT -5
I bet Hogan uses French's ketchup, the monster.
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Post by Reflecto on Jul 28, 2015 21:34:20 GMT -5
But three times... KEEP THIS THREAD ON TOPIC. THIS THREAD DOES **NOT** DEAL WITH SEXISM, HOMOPHOBIA, PEDOPHILIA NOR ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THE TOPIC AT HAND. ...an admin has had to step in this thread to tell you posters to stop. With pedo allegations, using kiddie porn enthusiasts as a strawman example for closeted racists, and veering this conversation in ways that DOESN'T concern *racism*, it's gotten sloppy. All this thread is about is *racism*. Keep on point. We've made it 85 pages with good arguments and interesting points of views and general civility. Somewhere in the last ten of these pages it's gotten sloppy though. Be better than that. I'll unlock it now and y'all can try to not be ridiculous. Question before the topic continues as well: All of those were the facts as of yesterday when the information was solely about Hogan's racist tirade. However, as people probably found on other news sites covering Hogan's tirade, today's big update on the story had Hogan also giving a homophobic tirade. With that in mind, is that now considered part of the story?
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Post by kevin on Jul 28, 2015 21:43:18 GMT -5
All of this is conversations with one woman right? Hogan should claim that he never felt any of what he said. That he was only saying these horrible things because he knew it would help him with her. I think that is his best excuse.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Jul 28, 2015 21:48:28 GMT -5
So will the WWE go back to how they were in the 90s when Hogan was in WCW and start referring to Andre as the greatest box office attraction of all time?
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 28, 2015 21:49:46 GMT -5
What was Mrs Sponge's response to Hogan's racism? Has that been made public yet?
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Post by Mama Rhodes Looking @ U Now on Jul 28, 2015 21:55:19 GMT -5
All of this is conversations with one woman right? Hogan should claim that he never frlt any of what he said. That he was only saying these horrible things because he knew it would help him with her. I think that is his best excuse. If saying horribly racist and homophobic things is something that will help you with someone, then you should get away from that person faster than Sheamus at a Nexus Block Party.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jul 28, 2015 21:56:42 GMT -5
But three times... ...an admin has had to step in this thread to tell you posters to stop. With pedo allegations, using kiddie porn enthusiasts as a strawman example for closeted racists, and veering this conversation in ways that DOESN'T concern *racism*, it's gotten sloppy. All this thread is about is *racism*. Keep on point. We've made it 85 pages with good arguments and interesting points of views and general civility. Somewhere in the last ten of these pages it's gotten sloppy though. Be better than that. I'll unlock it now and y'all can try to not be ridiculous. Question before the topic continues as well: All of those were the facts as of yesterday when the information was solely about Hogan's racist tirade. However, as people probably found on other news sites covering Hogan's tirade, today's big update on the story had Hogan also giving a homophobic tirade. With that in mind, is that now considered part of the story? Yes. Stay within the rules.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jul 28, 2015 21:59:04 GMT -5
All of this is conversations with one woman right? Hogan should claim that he never frlt any of what he said. That he was only saying these horrible things because he knew it would help him with her. I think that is his best excuse. I was wondering the same thing. It reminds of George Costanza wondering if the "cute nazi" was into him.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Jul 28, 2015 21:59:56 GMT -5
All of this is conversations with one woman right? Hogan should claim that he never frlt any of what he said. That he was only saying these horrible things because he knew it would help him with her. I think that is his best excuse. That really wasn't the situation, though. He wasn't trying to pick her up. He was about to go through a divorce and Bubba basically said, "If you want to, have sex with my wife." She was obviously into it, too. So whatever conversation they were having was just friend to friend.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 28, 2015 23:18:59 GMT -5
All of this is conversations with one woman right? Hogan should claim that he never frlt any of what he said. That he was only saying these horrible things because he knew it would help him with her. I think that is his best excuse. That really wasn't the situation, though. He wasn't trying to pick her up. He was about to go through a divorce and Bubba basically said, "If you want to, have sex with my wife." She was obviously into it, too. So whatever conversation they were having was just friend to friend. Which is just so creepy. Hey I have heroes to, but damn if I'll let them touch my woman. But back to the topic, I was thinking about the re-tweet and Hogan is really clueless. Not because of the politics of who said it but the context of how the word was used. The original speaker was having a discussion of race and racism in American society. Hulk used the word to slander a whole race of people. It's totally different context.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jul 28, 2015 23:25:15 GMT -5
All of this is conversations with one woman right? Hogan should claim that he never frlt any of what he said. That he was only saying these horrible things because he knew it would help him with her. I think that is his best excuse. That really wasn't the situation, though. He wasn't trying to pick her up. He was about to go through a divorce and Bubba basically said, "If you want to, have sex with my wife." She was obviously into it, too. So whatever conversation they were having was just friend to friend. "Father of the Year" Bubba Clem, who let his 12 year old son drive a 410 Sprinter against professional race drivers back in February... Of course he'd offer his wife up to Hogan....when the kid was 5. If that was the kid's mother, yikes.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 28, 2015 23:37:15 GMT -5
It is amazing how the biggest wrestling stars in the world made such poor choices. I finally saw all the deals on Hogan and it is a shame that this how it end for him. I really doubt this will blow over in this day and age were race as been such center stage thing. So really it bad enough that it happened to begin with but couldn't have came out in a worst time on top of it. What has made it worst for Hogan is him trying to make it better but instead making it worst on himself.
I was never a big Hogan fan but I can deny what he meant for wrestling and what he did for it. Now it's hard for me to look at him in the same light.
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