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Post by Mr. Medium Shot on Jul 29, 2015 10:13:38 GMT -5
Well, after 86 pages, I might as well chime in.
I can't say I'm overly surprised. Hulk Hogan/Terry Bollea has always had some character issues. (Taking steroids and lying to kids about it, the deal with the Grazianos, the sex tape with his best friend's wife, the sort of racist/sexist comments he made in some old promos...) It's still disappointing, though, that a man so many people looked up to can tarnish that image the way Hulk Hogan has. These days, there's nothing like a few N-words to napalm your goodwill with millions of people.
Here's one piece of advice for the Hulkster: If you're even thinking about saying something stupid, don't do it with a recording device in the room, even if you think it's off or you think nobody will share it. Regardless of whether we like it, this is a world in which anything can be shared with millions in one instant. The release of this recording is certainly a little questionable, but at the end of the day, Hulk Hogan is responsible for his actions.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jul 29, 2015 10:13:47 GMT -5
To be fair, that was kind of the norm in 1993. Doesn't defend it, but doesn't change it. First time I've seen it argued that the early 90s was a common time for that. Early 40s, yeah, but it's not like we were still being pressured to buy war bonds to strike back against the SNEAK PUNCH! at Pearl Harbor. If anything I associate the early 90s with the rise of PC (and criticism of that).
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jul 29, 2015 10:17:09 GMT -5
To be fair, that was kind of the norm in 1993. Doesn't defend it, but doesn't change it. First time I've seen it argued that the early 90s was a common time for that. Early 40s, yeah, but it's not like we were still being pressured to buy war bombs to strike back against the SNEAK PUNCH! at Pearl Harbor. If anything I associate the early 90s with the rise of PC (and criticism of that). I've seen a lot of Raws and shows and there is some unabashed racism through commentary (mainly from Heenan), so yeah. It's pretty blatant
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Post by Lancers on Jul 29, 2015 10:23:34 GMT -5
Look, I'm no fancy lawyer from the big city. But when you befriend a morning zoo DJ who legally (I mean LEGALLY) changed his name to Bubba the Love Sponge and his wife who got enough plastic surgery just so she can look like actress Jami Gertz, you sorta already revealed what kind of guy you are. I MEAN SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THIS GUY!!!!! He's like every shock jock stereotype come to life. All I need is to find a picture of him wearing a hockey jersey to cover up his dad gut and I'm set.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 10:23:57 GMT -5
So is he racist or isn't he? "Which side is he ON!?"
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jul 29, 2015 10:28:21 GMT -5
He's like every shock jock stereotype come to life. All I need is to find a picture of him wearing a hockey jersey to cover up his dad gut and I'm set. Hockey jersey to cover his dad gut? Are you looking for Kevin Smith?
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jul 29, 2015 10:30:03 GMT -5
Look, I'm no fancy lawyer from the big city. But when you befriend a morning zoo DJ who legally (I mean LEGALLY) changed his name to Bubba the Love Sponge and his wife who got enough plastic surgery just so he can look like actress Jami Gertz, you sorta already revealed what kind of guy you are. I MEAN SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THIS GUY!!!!! He's like every shock jock stereotype come to life. All I need is to find a picture of him wearing a hockey jersey to cover up his dad gut and I'm set. I think we all wish we could do this
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Post by chazraps on Jul 29, 2015 10:34:49 GMT -5
Eeeehhh, still having trouble with the whole privacy issue. We were not meant to hear this. I never needed to know this. I find it difficult to judge him on offensive throwaway comments he made in private which were secretly recorded against his will. What about the very public obviously racist retweet from Sunday? That makes his feelings pretty public by his own volition.
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Post by Lancers on Jul 29, 2015 10:35:02 GMT -5
Hockey jersey to cover his dad gut? Are you looking for Kevin Smith? Kevin Smith changing his wardrobe to nothing but a rotation of the same seven blue with orange and white trim hockey jerseys is very likely based on his travels doing promotional work for his movies. Seeing all of these fat, out of shape, Philly cheesesteak eating sweathogs covering up their bellies with a Steve Yzerman Red Wings kit gave him the inspiration. But I really need to quit while I'm ahead though. I don't want Bubba's Army to show up on my doorstep. You wouldn't want to walk past this group of guys in a dark alley in the middle of the night.
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Post by Vern on Jul 29, 2015 10:37:35 GMT -5
Hockey jersey to cover his dad gut? Are you looking for Kevin Smith? Kevin Smith changing his wardrobe to nothing but a rotation of the same seven blue with orange and white trim hockey jerseys is very likely based on his travels doing promotional work for his movies. Seeing all of these fat, out of shape, Philly cheesesteak eating sweathogs covering up their bellies with a Steve Yzerman Red Wings kit gave him the inspiration. But I really need to quit while I'm ahead though. I don't want Bubba's Army to show up on my doorstep. You wouldn't want to walk past this group of guys in a dark alley in the middle of the night. I've never seen any of them before, but the guy on the far left looks to be the lead singer of "Waiting for Godsmack".
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Post by Lancers on Jul 29, 2015 10:40:56 GMT -5
I think we all wish we could do this Foley probably popped a boner punching that unsculpted sack of Pillsbury dough he calls a face.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Jul 29, 2015 10:41:33 GMT -5
Eeeehhh, still having trouble with the whole privacy issue. We were not meant to hear this. I never needed to know this. I find it difficult to judge him on offensive throwaway comments he made in private which were secretly recorded against his will. What about the very public obviously racist retweet from Sunday? That makes his feelings pretty public by his own volition. At the very least he's not willing to learn how to shut his mouth
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Post by Lancers on Jul 29, 2015 10:44:20 GMT -5
I've never seen any of them before, but the guy on the far left looks to be the lead singer of "Waiting for Godsmack". You can tell he's a big deal because he's wearing a shirt with his face on it.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 29, 2015 10:46:18 GMT -5
What about the very public obviously racist retweet from Sunday? That makes his feelings pretty public by his own volition. At the very least he's not willing to learn how to shut his mouth It's super telling though, especially since he hasn't taken it down. You can tell his apology was fake and he truly believes he's said nothing wrong. Like, there's no benefit of 9 years doubt at this point. He's the same self-identified racist.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 29, 2015 10:58:54 GMT -5
So Hogan is homophobic as well. Hmm.. OMG! Do you know that Brock Lesnar is as well? Do you? DO YOU?We've made it clear shots at people like this don't fly so enjoy time away.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jul 29, 2015 11:04:22 GMT -5
I wonder when we will get a picture of John Terry or Luis Suarez standing next to a black teammate retweeted
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jul 29, 2015 11:25:49 GMT -5
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Post by joeiscool on Jul 29, 2015 11:29:53 GMT -5
So I figured I'd chime in why it's ok for Vince to say the N word and not Hulk...
The key is context. Besides the fact Vince was saying it as a character, where as Hogan was not. There is also the context in which they were using the word.
So in Vince's use he was using it to mean friend/homie/partner/ect. So you could replace the n word with any of those other words and it becomes not even a slight bit controversial.
When Hogan said it he meant "black people." So when he says "f-ing N words" you could replace it with black people, and it's still an awful statement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 11:39:26 GMT -5
At the very least he's not willing to learn how to shut his mouth It's super telling though, especially since he hasn't taken it down. You can tell his apology was fake and he truly believes he's said nothing wrong. Like, there's no benefit of 9 years doubt at this point. He's the same self-identified racist. I think that has a lot less to do with any kind of sincere wrongdoing on his part, and more to do with the residual effects of long-term drug use from back in the 80's coupled with him just not being very bright. A lot of times, I wonder if Hogan himself has any real notion of what he's doing and saying.
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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on Jul 29, 2015 11:42:50 GMT -5
So I figured I'd chime in why it's ok for Vince to say the N word and not Hulk... The key is context. Besides the fact Vince was saying it as a character, where as Hogan was not. There is also the context in which they were using the word. So in Vince's use he was using it to mean friend/homie/partner/ect. So you could replace the n word with any of those other words and it becomes not even a slight bit controversial. When Hogan said it he meant "black people." So when he says "f-ing N words" you could replace it with black people, and it's still an awful statement. However if Vince had walked past Booker T and Sharmell while saying "Keep it up, my black people." that whole segment would have taken on a whole new connotation. Seriously though that's extremely sound logic and I completely agree with it.
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