Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 1, 2015 5:23:14 GMT -5
JBL would have worked better if they didn't have such an awkward transition. One day he is a blue-collar brawler face and the next he is a snobby, rich heel? Even by wrestling standards that was too abrupt. They should have sent him away for a while, have him get in main eventer shape while helping-out with developmental guys , then brought him back with the new character. They've always acknowledged Bradshaw's expertise in the world of finance, even during the APA days. They hyped the hell out of his book It just seemed so rushed, and it came out of nowhere. I like JBL as a talker and he was a pretty entertaining heel, just that his ringwork wasn't the best. If they had built him up slowly and got his ringwork up better, then JBL would have been fine as a Rich Bastard heel, or as the mouthpiece of another guy that could go, but needed someone to talk for him.
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Post by Starshine on Aug 1, 2015 5:32:18 GMT -5
JBL is still the weirdest to me, simply because they completely committed to his push. Right now it would be the equivalent of Titus O'Neil winning the world title at Survivor Series. He went from washed up midcard tag act to world champion in the span of three months.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Aug 1, 2015 5:33:38 GMT -5
gotta be Mabel. came out of nowhere and you were always asking "is this REALLY the best you can do, Vince?"
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Post by tms on Aug 1, 2015 6:01:28 GMT -5
They may not have been true main event pushes, but I remember Bradshaw tagging and feuding with main eventers like Austin back in 2002. I also remember Bubba Ray Dudley feuding with and looking credible against Lesnar. Both were fine in-ring but were really random, especially Bradshaw since he wasn't anywhere near as over as his push justified.
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Post by keezy on Aug 1, 2015 6:11:38 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio in the middle of the whole CM Punk and John Cena rivalry.
He was perfect for the WHC and Smackdown though.
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 1, 2015 6:28:00 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio in the middle of the whole CM Punk and John Cena rivalry. He was perfect for the WHC and Smackdown though. The first push for Alberto Del Rio was weird, when you think about it. To the majority of the WWE fans, he was just some guy that was pushed extremely hard and was in the WHC title match at WM27. But he was one of the biggest stars of CMLL as a face as Dos Caras, and here he was, few people had any idea of his time in Mexico, becoming one of the top heels in the company. And his push as the WHC as a face in 2013 was strange, too, considering it was supposedly to get him over as a face. Of course, thanks to WWE micromangement, it failed. If WWE had let him be Dos Caras or El Patrón Alberto, then that would probably have succeeded.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Aug 1, 2015 6:29:05 GMT -5
R-Truth's breif mega push in 2011. A lot of fans don't really think he's much cop these days, but his character was really something (love the Confederate bit and the smoking), WWE unfortunate needed a transitional feud before the Punk switch. A shame too, people forget R-Truth defeated Cena on the night of Punk's pipe bomb and he ended up doing nothing until The Miz tandem, which ended their main event runs at the top respectively.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 6:31:37 GMT -5
Even as a kid I thought how weird it was that JBL was suddenly in the main event. Not to mention how he went from a beer drinking ass kicker to a rich snob. It was just odd...but I accepted it lol
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Post by sternrogers01 on Aug 1, 2015 6:32:33 GMT -5
I remember hating the JBL push for two months...and yet when he won the title, I marked out.
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Post by keezy on Aug 1, 2015 6:35:03 GMT -5
Alberto Del Rio in the middle of the whole CM Punk and John Cena rivalry. He was perfect for the WHC and Smackdown though. The first push for Alberto Del Rio was weird, when you think about it. To the majority of the WWE fans, he was just some guy that was pushed extremely hard and was in the WHC title match at WM27. But he was one of the biggest stars of CMLL as a face as Dos Caras, and here he was, few people had any idea of his time in Mexico, becoming one of the top heels in the company. And his push as the WHC as a face in 2013 was strange, too, considering it was supposedly to get him over as a face. Of course, thanks to WWE micromangement, it failed. If WWE had let him be Dos Caras or El Patrón Alberto, then that would probably have succeeded. Before debuting he was Dos Caras Jr. on house shows, I guess since Rey was still around there was 'enough' masked guys, I think the original Sin Cara debuted when Rey was injured too.
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 1, 2015 6:42:23 GMT -5
R-Truth's breif mega push in 2011. A lot of fans don't really think he's much cop these days, but his character was really something (love the Confederate bit and the smoking), WWE unfortunate needed a transitional feud before the Punk switch. A shame too, people forget R-Truth defeated Cena on the night of Punk's pipe bomb and he ended up doing nothing until The Miz tandem, which ended their main event runs at the top respectively. Ah, Ron Killings. He was great in TNA (well, quite a bit of the time, and he had Pacman dumped on him, poor guy), but considering that WWE bounces between considering TNA nowhere and a reason to say "okay, youre not getting pushed" (Christian Cage, Gail Kim, Xavier Woods), or both it seems, he could never claim that he was the first Black NWA World Champion to help him get over. And his first run with Road Dogg and as a former Hardcore Champion (though who didn't have a run with that belt?) was stricken from the records until it was brought up by Matt Striker. There were all sorts of run ins with the title, but he never really got a sustained push until 2011, and then John Cena went over Awesome Truth like an 18 wheeler as part of the awful "Walkout" Storyline. He also got busted for spice, but I have a feeling that they would have had The Rock and Cena go over Awesome T ruth anyway.
Shame, as Ron Killings is a really good wrestler and deserves better than being near the bottom of the card in my eyes.
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Post by basicdugganomix on Aug 1, 2015 6:45:19 GMT -5
The Miz. The fact he was champion and main evented wrestlemania by defeating john cena because of the rock
When rock and Cena had their stare down. Miz just would never make sense. Not as mitb.
Hell at this point he's below the ic title
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Aug 1, 2015 7:05:50 GMT -5
gotta be Mabel. came out of nowhere and you were always asking "is this REALLY the best you can do, Vince?" It was 1995 after all. Perhaps that was the best Vince could do given the state of the company at the time.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 1, 2015 9:17:19 GMT -5
I'll go off the board. Zeus. Ok, so Hogan's in a movie. In WWF, Hogan is Hulk Hogan, but in this movie he plays Rip, so isn't Hogan. Then Zeus comes out and isn't fictional, he's actually Zeus. Tiny Lister hasn't snapped or lost his mind, Zeus did thinking he was the true star. I was just, just getting into wrestling when all this happened, so as a kid it was just exciting, but it doesn't make much sense looking back. You're gonna make his demeanor difficult.
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Post by Sephiroth on Aug 1, 2015 9:43:13 GMT -5
Batista. I'm serious! The guy had only just debuted a few weeks prior, and was acting as the silent muscle for Reverend D-Von when he suddenly joins Evolution and is rubbing elbows with Flair and Triple H.
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Post by nickcave on Aug 1, 2015 10:00:25 GMT -5
gotta be Mabel. came out of nowhere and you were always asking "is this REALLY the best you can do, Vince?" As out of nowhere as it was I can kind of see the logic in it since Yokozuna was similar in build and he was booked as a successful monster champion a couple years prior but Mabel came out of one of the dorkiest tag teams ever and was not very credible.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 1, 2015 10:13:11 GMT -5
It has to be Mabel. Say what you want about JBL but he always was oddly protected even during his time as Justin Hawk Bradshaw. How many jobs did he really do? I can't think of that many. Keep in mind that they wanted to push him in 2002 before he got hurt, which was a much weirder and random push since he was simply Bradshaw of the APA getting a major singles push.
The Mabel thing still gives me nightmares. I avoided entire PPVs in 1995 because of it, some of which were bad anyway (KOTR) and one that was actually quite good (Summerslam). The weird thing about Mabel was that he and Mo were actually the much more credible Harlem Knights in the USWA before they were MOM. Kind of a proto Gangstas tag team, albeit more traditional.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 10:19:38 GMT -5
RE: Bradshaw
It wasn't that we didn't know about his financial prowess it's just that there wasn't a true heel turn. One week he's a beer-drinking, bar-fighting redneck who just happen to be a financial wiz. Heyman fired Ron Simmons and suddenly Bradshaw turns into JR Ewing the next week. They should have at least stretched the APA breakup a couple of weeks to build up instead of having a cold reboot
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 1, 2015 10:47:30 GMT -5
Batista. I'm serious! The guy had only just debuted a few weeks prior, and was acting as the silent muscle for Reverend D-Von when he suddenly joins Evolution and is rubbing elbows with Flair and Triple H. More to it than that. He left SD, had some vignettes for a few weeks and re-debuted on Raw. Then he had Flair as an advisor or something before Evolution formed.
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Post by JTH on Aug 1, 2015 12:37:12 GMT -5
The Patriot
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