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Post by mrtuesday on Aug 1, 2015 23:43:51 GMT -5
LOL at this whole deal. We spend half our day shit talkin WWE but when an outsider does it we circle the wagons. Still real to us DAMNIT! It's the equivalent of "Nobody picks on my little brother, except me." As fans, we've earned the right to call WWE out on it's crap. A non-fan doesn't have that right.
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Post by Mr. Butter Fingers on Aug 1, 2015 23:58:11 GMT -5
LOL at this whole deal. We spend half our day shit talkin WWE but when an outsider does it we circle the wagons. Still real to us DAMNIT! There's a difference between complaining about something that you like and someone being completely disrespectful towards it.
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 2, 2015 0:33:55 GMT -5
I think the biggest irony of all this is that Rousey dedicated her match to a "fake" athlete(Roddy Rowdy Piper).
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Post by Captain & Diet on Aug 2, 2015 0:34:50 GMT -5
That ignored the point of mentioning the paralyzed wrestler though, to show Dana that it isn't fake. The whole thing is a positive for the paralyzed guy and to stick it to Dana for calling wrestling fake. I'm assuming the guy got injured by accident. That doesn't really mean wrestling is real, just physical and extremely risky. Again, the "fake" part comes from the results and the fact that they're not trying to hurt eachother. Borash didn't prove any kind of point to me, and I'm sure the event wont suffer without his money. Borash brought attention to a cause that likely wouldn't have been as widely known without his tweet. I'm cool with it.
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Post by Lancers on Aug 2, 2015 1:16:09 GMT -5
Calling wrestling fake depends on the context.
If you're speaking about it in terms of how its put together. How outcomes are predetermined and characters are scripted. Yes, it's 100% fake. No different than anything on your TV or your nearest multiplex.
If you're speaking about it in terms of putting it down as kiddie shit and belittling the entertainment factor that others get out of it because it isn't real, then that's a different story.
Seeing people get defensive over it is understandable. Particularly wrestlers. What they go through in the industry is f***ing brutal so to see anyone dismiss it in a way that they appear to be looking down it in shame is probably gonna piss them off.
As for the fans...well...let's face it. Wrestling has been incorrectly stigmatized as something only (a)kids, (b)high school dropouts or (c)socially awkward people watch. It's probably why there are probably more people who would never admit to watching wrestling that actually do than those who are openly honest about it.
Sure you can brush it off and say 'who cares what other people think?' It's probably the ideal push back quite honestly. But there's a lot of people that do care what other people think so it's expected to see people defend what they're most passionate about.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 2, 2015 1:26:40 GMT -5
When Rousey is in WWE she will be every bit as big a deal as Lesnar. (as long as Vince handles it right) Do you really think that's going to happen? I'd give it 2 months until she jobs to Brie.
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Post by . on Aug 2, 2015 1:29:16 GMT -5
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Post by Reflecto on Aug 2, 2015 1:31:37 GMT -5
Wait until that chick that is his biggest draw bolts for fake wrestling and sells half a million Network subs by herself. When Rousey is in WWE she will be every bit as big a deal as Lesnar. (as long as Vince handles it right) If there's anywhere she's gonna bolt to. It's the movies. For some reason people are casting her in a ton of stuff despite not showing the tiniest bit of charisma or acting talent. She's far too popular to jump to something like a declining in popularity pro wrestling gig full time.But that's also the reason that Rousey bolting to pro wrestling's more possible while bolting to the movies: She doesn't have that much charisma or acting talent- but that's the point. Ronda Rousey gets cast in movies because she's a sex symbol. She's not the first, she won't be the last. Because Rousey doesn't have that much charisma, however, the way to keep Rousey as a sex symbol comes from being seen as "the sex symbol fighter"- and thus, to keep getting the movie roles to be a star, she'd either need to keep being a major star in MMA (where all it takes is one lucky punch and your aura is dead)...OR go to pro wrestling, where because it's "fake", you instantly become the biggest female draw in history and they can protect your aura in ways a "real" sport cannot possibly do (and in the process, allow you to keep getting movie roles.)
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Post by Mondai Rogue on Aug 2, 2015 2:47:50 GMT -5
He made up for it by calling Jeremey Borash a goofball though. I did like Borash's response to that.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Aug 2, 2015 4:01:56 GMT -5
He made up for it by calling Jeremey Borash a goofball though. I did like Borash's response to that. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE Jeremey Borash lives. He's still a goofball.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 2, 2015 4:24:43 GMT -5
I wonder how long Dana spent laughing at how easily he managed to work the wrestling industry and all of its fans with that comment, because wow, everyone fell hook, line, and sinker for that shit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 4:28:46 GMT -5
I wonder how long Dana spent laughing at how easily he managed to work the wrestling industry and all of its fans with that comment, because wow, everyone fell hook, line, and sinker for that shit. Marks who worked themselves into a shoot, brother?
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Aug 2, 2015 5:02:12 GMT -5
And here I'd finally gotten the image of Sid's leg out of my head.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 2, 2015 5:08:48 GMT -5
It's weird, in the past Dana told stories about respecting Vince a lot, they had breakfast together one time according to White, and they were always cool, the only problem he ever had was with Triple H once, Triple H once talked bad about the ufc and Dana responded to him in a press conference, saying that basically "the son in law should keep his mouth shut and let his daddy do business"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 5:14:24 GMT -5
I mean...what Dana says sucks but the freakout about it makes us all look bad. First page has a poster going "See how fake wrestling is when I jacknife your ass through a table." Stuff like that is the exact sort of nonsense we get made fun of for, cutting wrestling promos on things that annoy us and saying silly over the top things like that.
Comments like Dana's should be snickered at, then ignored for his ignorance.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 2, 2015 5:38:50 GMT -5
Once again, all of the above were accidents. Dana didn't say "it's fake and my grandma could probably do it", he meant the results.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 5:46:23 GMT -5
What Borash said was bullshit.
There's no way a TNA employee can afford to spend $50 on something.
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Post by Prince Petty on Aug 2, 2015 5:47:31 GMT -5
"Fake" is an inflammatory word that seems like it has to have been chosen deliberately. It comes with nothing but negative connotations and sneering, which is what people rightly take exception to.
But those citing injuries and the pain that you go through training and wrestling are kind of missing the point. That's what happens, for the most part, when things go wrong. That's the worst possible outcome of what you're doing. Sure, you'll get some bruises and soreness from taking bumps and putting on a match, but that's as bad as it should ever get. Professional wrestling is a performance where the outcome and much of the content is pre-prepared and designed to excite and captivate the audience. That's what it's about. That's not fake, it's genuine entertainment.
Who gives a crap if it's not the same as two people genuinely pummelling one another in the head, where the expected outcome is some form of injury? It doesn't claim to be, and no one in their right mind would think it is. And the key difference, as has been pointed out, is that having it be planned in advance, and the outcome assured, means that the customer is guaranteed to get their money's worth (in theory). Instead of paying for what turns out to be a 30 second main event, you're pretty sure that you're getting something that lasts the allotted time. Which is why pro wrestling became worked in the first place.
UFC's biggest draw understands all of that, and has shown that she is a huge fan of professional wrestling.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 2, 2015 6:30:28 GMT -5
*shrugs* It's Dana White. He's basically Vince without the sympathetic charm.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Aug 2, 2015 6:41:57 GMT -5
He made up for it by calling Jeremey Borash a goofball though. Is Dana White seriously that stupid? Borash isn't in the UK. He said he's sending the money to a guy in the UK who got hurt doing what Dana is disrespecting. I mean, either that's major levels of idiocy to not comprehend what Borash is saying, or Dana is such an egotistical prick that he's dismissing a guy's paralysis with "WELL AT LEAST HE CAN WATCH UFC FOR FREE." Don't care if Borash is doing this for PR or not- I hadn't heard of the paralyzed wrestler, I'm sure a lot of people hadn't, if it gets ONE more person to donate something to the guy it's worth it. All this said- I get why people call it fake given the guys aren't really hitting each other as hard as they can (usually) and aren't really trying to spike each other on their heads. But also, I get why predetermined/staged works better, because (ignoring the injury stuff because that isnt applicable) even when you do it right, even when you DON'T get hurt, it hurts, the simplest bumps hurt a heck of a lot, and they do it that much more regularly than MMA that yes, they are athletes. Calling it fake implies they are not athletes in any regard, that there's a lot more smoke & mirrors than goes on. But really.....who f***ing cares enough to say it's fake? Being all "LOL THATS FAKE WE'RE REAL" doesn't make you high and mighty or superior. It makes you an asshole who is insulting someone on the basis of what they enjoy. You know who does that? High school bullies. Dana insists on referring to it as "that fake shit".....well good for you Dana. Dana White is the epitome of the Tapout Shirt Douchebag. The stuff about him liking Vince but not HHH.....the impression I get is that that's because Vince insists UFC aren't competition so doesn't acknowledge them, whereas Dana does his shittalking and when HHH gives some back he doesn't like it. Because how DARE anybody disrespect the great and powerful Dana White's UFC. And personally, much as I enjoy UFC, much as I love Ronda, I wouldn't and don't spend $50 for a Ronda squash. It just ain't worth it for the amount of content you get. But that's why I only ever buy boxing or MMA events if its a match/card I REALLY want to see regardless of length- because there's such a chance it won't be worth it. Though that's also why I don't buy many WWE PPVs now- because even though the content's there it still might not be worth it, as at least in UFC/Boxing, generally the best athlete wins except in flukes. In WWE, the best wrestler isn't always the top talent. All in all....I'd say wrestling's staged, as fake has other implications, but really I don't care if you call it fake. Provided you don't pull a Dana and act like that somehow makes you better than someone else for not liking it or for preferring MMA.
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