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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 8, 2015 13:27:16 GMT -5
Guess in the end...I don't find things people write on message boards to be that serious or have an affect on me. And I thought the joke was more of taking some small rumor and blowing it up to the point of over the top, silly, ridiculousness. The joke isn't "Rosa is a slut". The joke is more about Michael Hayes. At least that's how I see it. Nobody is changing any minds on either side, so yeah. Some will find it amusing, some won't. Which is exactly how I look at it. Taking a small rumor that had nothing to do with anything and just running with it for ridiculousness sake as an excuse to take the piss out of Hayes. But obviously it's an issue for a growing amount of members, so here we are. *shrugs* Things are simple until you learn someone is legit offended by something, then it's time to reassess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 13:35:26 GMT -5
Here's the thing though. It's not like Rosa has been used in anything resembling a major role during her time in the company. It's always been bit roles that are dropped within months. For someone that's supposedly banging a higher up, she sure doesn't seem to be getting a whole lot out of it. ...Has anybody considered that maybe Rosa's just a really sweet girl and is well liked by everybody so they are just keeping her on since she can't possibly be breaking the bank with her pay, making sure to give her something to do every now and then? Because, that stuff actually does happen in real workplaces. I'm guessing she's a mix between a very likable person in real life, a trainwreck, and apparently had a rough lifestyle growing up and has been recently a victim of domestic abuse which I'm sure wasn't her first time in that situation, which makes her super sympathetic in the work place. Like despite being one of the longest employed Diva's in history and one of the longest employed active wrestlers in the company, I'm sure she's the lowest paid Diva or one of the lowest who may get marginal raises every few years and she understands that. I'm guessing the higher up's are afraid that she may do something bad or relapse or something if she's suddenly let go or something but I don't know. Plus I know Total Diva's isn't the best measuring stick in judging someone's character but she's one of the few people who actually genuinely comes off as a good kind hearted person really. Also I haven't read this thread to closely but I don't think the Michael Hayes picture or jokes were to harsh. Bit mean spirited yes I'm not denying that. Like it's widely speculated she had a relationship with Hayes before and Hayes making that shocked face is just to good of a opportunity to pass up in the context of this thread. Like I don't think anyone seriously believes it's Haye's baby.
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Post by Greer on Aug 8, 2015 13:38:12 GMT -5
Didn't realize people would take this so seriously. Again, Rosa won't be reading this. This thread will not effect her in any way. Any joke or congratulations on here will go straight into the message board abyss. The "won't see it" part unsettles me a little, that should never be an excuse to behave one way or another. We really shouldn't operate under the stance of "well it's funny until we're caught". I mean either you're behind something or you're not. Saying it's ok as long as it's behind her back denotes that there's malice in it. When we think we have true anonymity like that on the internet is when real dickishness comes out. So yeah, just pointing out that's a poor stance to have for that side of the argument, continue on arguing other than that though. Not exactly the reasoning behind why I don't think it's a big deal. I don't think it's a big deal because whether she did see this thread or didn't, it's a silly joke. This isn't some dark, angry, hate filled thread. It's a joke poking fun at some dumb rumor. I've grown up watching stand up comedy and listening to some of the greatest stand up comics ever. People that were brilliant at what they did and some of the most offensive things you could imagine came out of their mouths. But it was still funny. I was never offended by anything Richard Pryor said, or George carlin or Chris rock or Louis ck. They tell jokes. I'm not exactly comparing anything said in this thread to the likes of amazing stand up comedy but they are still jokes. Whether you find them funny is all a matter of opinion. If you don't find it funny, I completely understand. But to be personally offended for someone as if you know them, is just weird to me. My favorite wrestler of all time is Ric Flair. Nobody even comes close. Grew up watching him and love his promos, matches, everything. But if there is a thread making fun of Ric flair, I'm not gonna be offended like I know the guy.
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Post by Greer on Aug 8, 2015 13:43:33 GMT -5
Guess in the end...I don't find things people write on message boards to be that serious or have an affect on me. And I thought the joke was more of taking some small rumor and blowing it up to the point of over the top, silly, ridiculousness. The joke isn't "Rosa is a slut". The joke is more about Michael Hayes. At least that's how I see it. Nobody is changing any minds on either side, so yeah. Some will find it amusing, some won't. Which is exactly how I look at it. Taking a small rumor that had nothing to do with anything and just running with it for ridiculousness sake as an excuse to take the piss out of Hayes. But obviously it's an issue for a growing amount of members, so here we are. *shrugs* Things are simple until you learn someone is legit offended by something, then it's time to reassess. Yeah. Different strokes.
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Post by idislikeeverything on Aug 8, 2015 14:00:04 GMT -5
I dislike Rosa and I dislike babies.
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Post by 67 more on Aug 8, 2015 14:05:38 GMT -5
I dislike Rosa and I dislike babies. But not enough to say you hate them?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 8, 2015 14:11:50 GMT -5
I dislike Rosa and I dislike babies. But not enough to say you hate them? I'm waiting for the next deletion then re-signup comeback tour. i'mnonplussedbyeverything. Eventually we'll get to the point where it's isortaenjoyeverything.
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Post by idislikeeverything on Aug 8, 2015 14:36:59 GMT -5
I dislike Rosa and I dislike babies. But not enough to say you hate them? Yes but that part of me returned to its home world.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Aug 8, 2015 15:08:02 GMT -5
I remember in 2007 people were talking about how good she was in OVW and were begging for her to get called up. Her wiki says she was OVW women's champion for 5 months.
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Post by Sparkybob on Aug 8, 2015 15:28:33 GMT -5
This joke I think it's poking more fun at Hayes more than demeaning Rosa. Yea this joke is well played out and is built on a flimsy rumor but that's the fun of it. If this was actual true then it just becomes gross and the fun gets taken out of it.
I'll totally get people feeling uneasy about the basis of the joke but I disagree with the notion that FAN should make sure the jokes don't start to blend into reality and make the impression that it's really true. FAN doesn't pride itself as a new organization (barring WrestleTaint.org)so it's not really our fault if people start thinking a joke is actually true.
To the comment of you can't make a thread about Rosa without the Hayes jokes, I mean to be fair there isn't really much people can talk about here career so they go with the default botch/Hayes/Awful/Nice person answer because there isn't much else to say. I mean if Christian had a non eventful career then every thread of his will be filled with slave jokes.
Yea the Rosa jokes does have a more negative connotation but again it's based on flimsy rumor and we are poking fun of it rather than saying it's true fact. It isn't our fault if somebody starts to believe it's true and the comments shouldn't be banned based on this.
Honestly though I wouldn't care if the joke is banned or whatever because I really don't need to comment on Rosa much. Plus I'll have a ton more stock memes in the basement to bring out on FAN.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Aug 8, 2015 16:16:04 GMT -5
But not enough to say you hate them? I'm waiting for the next deletion then re-signup comeback tour. i'mnonplussedbyeverything. Eventually we'll get to the point where it's isortaenjoyeverything. ifeeleverythingskindaok.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 18:41:16 GMT -5
I thought hijacking threads to get on your political soapbox was frowned upon in this parish.
Anyway, all the best to Rosa, don't find silly speculation about her continued employment any more distasteful than the meme of Funaki/JTG having pictures of Vince that they used to blackmail him with and the Hayes photoshops are amusing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 18:47:54 GMT -5
The thing with the Hayes jokes is that they come up every time Rosa is mentioned, regardless of whether Hayes is related to the topic at hand. Like this one - he has nothing to with Rosa Mendes having a child, so saying that it's just to make fun of him strikes me as slightly ingenuous. And I'm not saying I think those jokes should not be allowed, but I just don't see how they're funny anymore. It's the same thing every damn time.
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Post by brody on Aug 9, 2015 6:58:58 GMT -5
She's a nut and this will be a disaster for the kid.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 9, 2015 8:41:59 GMT -5
WWE could quash a lot of the "hur hur, Rosa......Michael Hayes....hur hur!" stuff by actually demonstrating the merit of why a woman who seemingly has no relevant wrestling-related talents at all, has somehow been involved with this company in various roles for years*, while far more talented people have been released, fired, or alienated. *After typing this, I realise this is also a pretty accurate description of Stephanie. Stephanie can cut a promo though. She can screech out some dialogue which puts herself over at the expense of the wrestlers. If that's a "promo", then yeah I guess so.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Aug 9, 2015 11:25:37 GMT -5
This joke I think it's poking more fun at Hayes more than demeaning Rosa. Yea this joke is well played out and is built on a flimsy rumor but that's the fun of it. If this was actual true then it just becomes gross and the fun gets taken out of it. I'll totally get people feeling uneasy about the basis of the joke but I disagree with the notion that FAN should make sure the jokes don't start to blend into reality and make the impression that it's really true. FAN doesn't pride itself as a new organization (barring WrestleTaint.org)so it's not really our fault if people start thinking a joke is actually true. To the comment of you can't make a thread about Rosa without the Hayes jokes, I mean to be fair there isn't really much people can talk about here career so they go with the default botch/Hayes/Awful/Nice person answer because there isn't much else to say. I mean if Christian had a non eventful career then every thread of his will be filled with slave jokes. Yea the Rosa jokes does have a more negative connotation but again it's based on flimsy rumor and we are poking fun of it rather than saying it's true fact. It isn't our fault if somebody starts to believe it's true and the comments shouldn't be banned based on this. Honestly though I wouldn't care if the joke is banned or whatever because I really don't need to comment on Rosa much. Plus I'll have a ton more stock memes in the basement to bring out on FAN. As someone who's has made the Hayes joke I think some of the comments are a bit of an over reaction. What does it say about us if we start banning jokes? We make fun of Samoa Joe, Dreamer, and Big Show for their weight. Should we stop those jokes because we're fat shaming people? Some jokes are overplayed, but welcome to the board. This board was once apart of a site that made fun of the worst of wrestling. So personally I feel like we shouldn't get too serious around here. That being said there were times when mods have told us to lay off. The Mickie James fiasco springs to my mind. However I think there's a world of difference in sorta implied Michael Hayes face and equating a certain female body part with a food item.
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 9, 2015 12:46:17 GMT -5
I'd still argue that #1 reason the Micheal Hayes picture thing lives on is because he looks so hilarious and terrible in nearly every picture ever.
You could have a Micheal Hayes Pic thread and get 30 pages of laughter
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Post by Welfare Willis on Aug 9, 2015 12:54:15 GMT -5
I'd still argue that #1 reason the Micheal Hayes picture thing lives on is because he looks so hilarious and terrible in nearly every picture ever. You could have a Micheal Hayes Pic thread and get 30 pages of laughter Plus dude is 50+ years old and dresses like a pimp.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Aug 9, 2015 13:02:59 GMT -5
I'd still argue that #1 reason the Micheal Hayes picture thing lives on is because he looks so hilarious and terrible in nearly every picture ever. You could have a Micheal Hayes Pic thread and get 30 pages of laughter We did that already, it was about Jose Lothario and reached 39 pages last I checked
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 9, 2015 14:02:52 GMT -5
Do I get to join the 100 likes club if my posts in one thread add up to 100 likes? Maybe like a weekend pass? You get a day in the clubhouse, a velour jacket instead of a silk one, and you don't get a secret hand shandy from the groundskeeper. I mean none of us do either, he's a nice guy but not my type. My point is in your case he doesn't even offer one.
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