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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 7, 2015 9:06:24 GMT -5
1. Dixie Carter. - Ultimately the buck stops with her. 2. Jeff Jarrett. - Many of TNA's bad practices date back to his watch. 3&4. Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff. - They gutted TNA, stripped it of what little identity it had and flooded them with with WWE castoffs they couldn't afford. People say Dixie should listen to wrestling people, she did, Double J, Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff had 70-80 years of wrestling industry experience behind them but they learned nothing in that time, Bischoff repeated the mistakes of WCW and Double J is repeating the mistakes of TNA with GFW. TNA were turning a profit before they came, they arrived and destroyed TNA's PPV business, shaved hundreds of thousands from the otherwise loyal fanbase, gutted the divisions that were part of TNA's appeal, lost them deal after deal, did a horrendous job of promoting TNA in media appearances while undermining the India project backstage because it wasn't their baby. Did you know Ring Ka King was shown in the US on a channel owned by the same people as Spike? Of course not. 5. Vince Russo. - He had many terrible ideas, but not every idea he had was that bad, things were getting coherent before Bischoff/Hogan arrived. 6. The Carter parents. - They should have reigned in spending while they were on Spike, now it's rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic. 7. Dutch Mantell - Loves to deny any involvement in bad things TNA did, which is easy to do when you have a human shield like Russo but there's no evidence of him doing anything good either. 8. The Spike TV Execs. - They wanted big names, they wanted the horrible one way cross promotion between TNA and Bellator and they wanted TNA to pay for it. TNA did everything they asked at the expense of their product and ultimately they were still ditched. 9. Kurt Angle. - I do believe that as bad as he was, Double J would have worked to prevent the Bischoff/Hogan deal had the power struggle with Angle not caused him to be ousted. 10. Dusty Rhodes. - Remember when he booked himself running TNA out of the back of a pickup truck with hot girls young enough to be his grandkids hitting on him? Yowch.
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Post by evilone on Aug 7, 2015 9:12:13 GMT -5
There is only one deathbringer and thats Wrestling like it's 1985 in 2015. End of story. Same ol' crap recycled into infinity.
At this point Wrestling Society X really looked like ahead of its time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 9:55:16 GMT -5
I remember at some point Joe having a match against Jarrett and it became a sort of "strap match" whatever and JJ didn't have the title at the time. Jarrett actually was champion at the time, it was just a non-title match. Then after beating the champion on PPV, Joe apparently decided he just wasn't interested in the belt itself and moved on. One of many ways he looked like an utter moron in his run.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Aug 7, 2015 10:10:16 GMT -5
IDK how people blame Russo.. While he's not the best booker ever he certainly was better than Dusty Jim Cornett, and who ever booked Hogan's stay.(I know Russo had a small role in that part but nothing really major) The times he was a booker was probably the best times in tna. Say what? You mean that S-E-X was one of the best parts of TNA? (Please say no)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 10:15:38 GMT -5
Kurt Angle doesn't get enough blame.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 7, 2015 10:23:39 GMT -5
Scott D'Amore was probably the best booker they've had.
As for the topic.
Dixie, Russo, Jarrett are top 3. Hogan, Bischoff, to round out the top 5.
Not sure on the rest but TNA's marketing department should be on there too.
Dixie is the one in charge, she is the one that put herself on tv, aired things like the dressing down of hte locker room, and ultimately responsible for everything that happens on TNA television... including hiring back Russo multiple times after it's been proven that he wasn't helping.
Russo is Russo.
Jarrett making himself the STAR of the show and out reign of terroring HHH (seriously watch some of those matches where Jarrett is champion. he was god damned invincible, taking multiple finishers and shrugging them off and usually ending with guitar shot/stroke pin) did early TNA no favors.
Hogan... who could have been a great pickup for TNA. But nobody told him no and basically let him do whatever the hell he wanted.
TNA Marketing - they did a TERRIBLE job promoting their own shows. From people in the hotel across from the venue not even knowing TNA was in town... to the WE GOT YOU WWE! Billboard in Stamford (Despite not running a show there)... TNA's Marketing has always been absolutely terrible even if the show wasn't.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 7, 2015 10:35:15 GMT -5
1- Dixie Carter
There are no other numbers.
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Post by MC Blowfish on Aug 7, 2015 11:06:00 GMT -5
Dixie Carter Hulk Hogan Eric Bischoff Jeff Jarrett Kurt Angle Jeff Hardy Vince Russo
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Aug 7, 2015 11:15:35 GMT -5
And how would you rank them? I mean it can't all be Dixie. Can it? 1. Dixie Carter 2. D. Carter 3. Dixie C. 4. Serg Salinas' Wife
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Post by James Fabiano on Aug 7, 2015 11:25:07 GMT -5
Vince Russo Vance Russo Russ Vinceo Vin E. Roo Van Russel Vincent R. Usso Vincerford Russo Esq. Vince J. Fong Russo A'la Vince Dixie Carter It's a SWERVE! Dixie was really Vince Russo all along!
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Aug 7, 2015 14:10:16 GMT -5
Glad I am more to blame for WWE mess ups instead of the bad TNA ones.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Aug 7, 2015 17:48:51 GMT -5
Vince Russo Vance Russo Russ Vinceo Vin E. Roo Van Russel Vincent R. Usso Vincerford Russo Esq. Vince J. Fong Russo A'la Vince Dixie Carter You missed Vic Venom.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Aug 7, 2015 18:01:25 GMT -5
1.The person who released Lacey Von Erich
2. The person hired the person who released Lacey Von Erich
She would have single handily heralded a new Boon Period and been The Rock,Stone Cold and Rikishi all rolled into one for TNA.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Aug 7, 2015 20:54:13 GMT -5
The reason why I didn'tt blame Angle so much is because from 06 to 09 he was still one ofe the best in the business on camera and still shown some of that from 09 to 2013. Match quality wise still had his moments and he was a big signing at the time he did and should have been a bigger deal for TNA then it was because of the lack of marketing.
I would say Jeff Hardy if it wasn't being so good once he came back clean after Victory road.The matches where very good.
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Post by bob on Aug 7, 2015 20:55:57 GMT -5
1 Dixie 2 Hogan 3 Bishoff 4 Jarrett 5 & 6 Bob and Janice Carter 7 Kurt Angle 8 Dutch Mantell 9 Jerry Jarrett 10 Billy Corgan
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Post by chronocross on Aug 8, 2015 4:45:26 GMT -5
I remember at some point Joe having a match against Jarrett and it became a sort of "strap match" whatever and JJ didn't have the title at the time. Jarrett actually was champion at the time, it was just a non-title match. Then after beating the champion on PPV, Joe apparently decided he just wasn't interested in the belt itself and moved on. One of many ways he looked like an utter moron in his run. I think after that, Joe took possession of the title for a few weeks and each week someone tried to get it from him to give back to Jarrett, until Joe had the first confrontation with Angle and then JJ snuck in and got it back.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 8, 2015 4:48:43 GMT -5
Kurt Angle doesn't get enough blame. He's basically like if you took the exaggerated flaws of Cena and his booking, and said "I can do you one better". Has been consistently fed people, runs himself ragged and doesn't take enough time off, has had things centralize around him too much, and has a stagnant character.
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Post by nate1986 on Aug 8, 2015 10:11:48 GMT -5
Dixie Carter is the sole reason for TNAs failure, are people like Hogan, Bischoff and others to blame to an extent yes but at the end of the day Dixie is at fault she let people like Bischoff manipulate her and run the company to stroke their own ego
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 23:20:10 GMT -5
1. Jeff Jarrett - The whole thing was his shitty idea. Overpushing himself as champion didn't help. Also moving in with Kurt Angles wife is a no no. 2. Jerry Jarrett - He knew better and let them put on a crappy show. No excuse for letting his own son go broke. Great parenting there. 3. Vince Russo - The worst booker of all time. Has no clue what wrestling should be and what fans actually want to see. 4. Ed Ferrera - The second worst booker of all time. Same issued Russo had. 5. Bob Armstrong - Messed up on drugs and was useless as a road agent. He even admits it. 6. Dutch Mantel - I would say he added very little and didn't help anything as I doubt he was sitting at meetings complaining about shitty booking. I bet he was happily cashing his check for doing as little work as possible. 7. Di Lo Brown - quoted as saying "There are no new ideas left in wrestling" thus he added nothing and was stealing a pay check every week. 8. Dixie Carter - Knows nothing about wrestling and never bothered to learn anything about wrestling. So just kept Russo's garbage on TV and is paying the price. 9. Hulk Hogan - I cant think of a single thing he did right. Dixie could have fired him after his first show and TNA would have lost nothing. 10. Ric Flair - For being a constant embarrisment to himself and pro wrestling as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 22:06:12 GMT -5
1. Jeff Jarrett - The whole thing was his shitty idea. Overpushing himself as champion didn't help. Also moving in with Kurt Angles wife is a no no. Why? He only got with her after she and Kurt had broken up. They're both consenting adults, the problem with the situation was Angle throwing a fit and Dixie for no real reason taking his side.
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