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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 10, 2015 14:55:45 GMT -5
Dixie Carter looks like a pure genius when it comes to who ever runs DA. No, no no. You see, Dixie is the stupidest person to ever walk the earth. DA are stupid too, but since TNA is TNA, DA's stupidity doesn't count and they're just trying to run a business.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 15:53:44 GMT -5
Dixie Carter looks like a pure genius when it comes to who ever runs DA. No, no no. You see, Dixie is the stupidest person to ever walk the earth. DA are stupid too, but since TNA is TNA, DA's stupidity doesn't count and they're just trying to run a business. Both sides are stupid, sure. But at the end of the day, TNA agreed to having September as an opt-out point for the agreement and DA's chosen to take it, so TNA deserves what they get because they couldn't provide results good enough to keep DA from doing that.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 10, 2015 16:03:37 GMT -5
No, no no. You see, Dixie is the stupidest person to ever walk the earth. DA are stupid too, but since TNA is TNA, DA's stupidity doesn't count and they're just trying to run a business. Both sides are stupid, sure. But at the end of the day, TNA agreed to having September as an opt-out point for the agreement and DA's chosen to take it, so TNA deserves what they get because they couldn't provide results good enough to keep DA from doing that. But the results they did provide are good enough for a non-WWE wrestling promotion on a premium cable channel. TNA agreed to all of that, and canceling Impact is DA's prerogative, but all in all the results TNA couldn't provide were pretty unrealistic to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 16:11:04 GMT -5
Both sides are stupid, sure. But at the end of the day, TNA agreed to having September as an opt-out point for the agreement and DA's chosen to take it, so TNA deserves what they get because they couldn't provide results good enough to keep DA from doing that. But the results they did provide are good enough for a non-WWE wrestling promotion on a premium cable channel. TNA agreed to all of that, and canceling Impact is DA's prerogative, but all in all the results TNA couldn't provide were pretty unrealistic to begin with. No, they're not. The results aren't good at all. Yes, TNA gets the most viewers of anything on the channel. Viewer numbers on their own mean absolutely nothing if you can't get sponsors, which TNA can't do; sponsors are where all the money in TV comes from. Not a dime is being made just by having someone watch the screen. DA's hope was TNA's presence would bring extra eyes to the channel to watch their other shows, and that isn't happening. Yes, that probably can on some level be put on the fact that DA has a bunch of terrible programming nobody in their right mind would watch, but at the end of the day, TNA was brought in to fulfill a specific purpose, it hasn't been able to do it, and through the contract that TNA agreed to DA can now get rid of them.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 10, 2015 16:17:46 GMT -5
Both sides are stupid, sure. But at the end of the day, TNA agreed to having September as an opt-out point for the agreement and DA's chosen to take it, so TNA deserves what they get because they couldn't provide results good enough to keep DA from doing that. But the results they did provide are good enough for a non-WWE wrestling promotion on a premium cable channel. TNA agreed to all of that, and canceling Impact is DA's prerogative, but all in all the results TNA couldn't provide were pretty unrealistic to begin with. NO THEY ARE NOT OR THEY WOULD NOT BE GETTING BOOTED FROM THE CHANNEL!
Seriously, how is this escaping you? TNA did not deliver on their promises to DA, they did not provide anything close to good enough or they would have a cable home somewhere instead of burning out yet another network. TNA is a failure. Dixie is the one who sent an email cussing out the head of DA to the head of DA, Dixie is the one who lied about Vince Russo being in control, and Dixie made promises to both DA and Spike that she could not reasonably expect to deliver on that soured TNA's relationship with both networks getting the punted from TV in the United States. Any blame laid on anyone outside TNA is complete bullshit. This isn't Hogan's fault, this isn't Bischoff's fault, this is not Russo's fault, this is not Spike TV's fault, and this is not Discovery Communications' fault. All this falls at the feet of Dixie Goddamned Carter-Salinas and her alone. Her failure to have the basic understand of how to run a business without having her parents drop millions of dollars into it has put TNA in this spot.
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Post by chrom on Sept 10, 2015 16:23:07 GMT -5
TNA on Spike even in the final year was still one of the top rated programs on there but they were losing money off of them and had been doing so for the past years. There have been shows that have gotten ratings TNA could only dream of getting but still got the axe and cancelled because they were too expensive to maintain.
If I'm not making any money off of you, and are losing money due to the finances, I see no reason to keep you.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 10, 2015 16:24:59 GMT -5
But the results they did provide are good enough for a non-WWE wrestling promotion on a premium cable channel. TNA agreed to all of that, and canceling Impact is DA's prerogative, but all in all the results TNA couldn't provide were pretty unrealistic to begin with. NO THEY ARE NOT OR THEY WOULD NOT BE GETTING BOOTED FROM THE CHANNEL!
Seriously, how is this escaping you? TNA did not deliver on their promises to DA, they did not provide anything close to good enough or they would have a cable home somewhere instead of burning out yet another network. TNA is a failure. Dixie is the one who sent an email cussing out the head of DA to the head of DA, Dixie is the one who lied about Vince Russo being in control, and Dixie made promises to both DA and Spike that she could not reasonably expect to deliver on that soured TNA's relationship with both networks getting the punted from TV in the United States. Any blame laid on anyone outside TNA is complete bullshit. This isn't Hogan's fault, this isn't Bischoff's fault, this is not Russo's fault, this is not Spike TV's fault, and this is not Discovery Communications' fault. All this falls at the feet of Dixie Goddamned Carter-Salinas and her alone. Her failure to have the basic understand of how to run a business without having her parents drop millions of dollars into it has put TNA in this spot. In absolutely no part of my posts did I say Dixie was blameless. And I DID say that canceling Impact was DA's prerogative.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 10, 2015 16:33:12 GMT -5
NO THEY ARE NOT OR THEY WOULD NOT BE GETTING BOOTED FROM THE CHANNEL!
Seriously, how is this escaping you? TNA did not deliver on their promises to DA, they did not provide anything close to good enough or they would have a cable home somewhere instead of burning out yet another network. TNA is a failure. Dixie is the one who sent an email cussing out the head of DA to the head of DA, Dixie is the one who lied about Vince Russo being in control, and Dixie made promises to both DA and Spike that she could not reasonably expect to deliver on that soured TNA's relationship with both networks getting the punted from TV in the United States. Any blame laid on anyone outside TNA is complete bullshit. This isn't Hogan's fault, this isn't Bischoff's fault, this is not Russo's fault, this is not Spike TV's fault, and this is not Discovery Communications' fault. All this falls at the feet of Dixie Goddamned Carter-Salinas and her alone. Her failure to have the basic understand of how to run a business without having her parents drop millions of dollars into it has put TNA in this spot. In absolutely no part of my posts did I say Dixie was blameless. And I DID say that canceling Impact was DA's prerogative. I am not saying you said she was blameless. I am saying your repeated assertions that DA is somehow at fault, deserves blame or was stupid ( such as bellow) is completely, 100% wrong. No one but Dixie Carter and TNA management deserves blame for what is happening. I am also saying your repeated assertions that TNA's performance on DA was acceptable and it is DA's fault for wanting what was promised to them is 100% wrong. You keep trying to stooge off TNA's failures to other people because of some crazed idea that they need to exist or deserve respect when they dug this hole, laid down and pissed on their own heads in an attempt to drown themselves. Dixie Carter looks like a pure genius when it comes to who ever runs DA. No, no no. You see, Dixie is the stupidest person to ever walk the earth. DA are stupid too, but since TNA is TNA, DA's stupidity doesn't count and they're just trying to run a business.
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Post by Glitch on Sept 10, 2015 16:38:35 GMT -5
Wait, so why is DA still going with ROH if pro wrestling isn't bringing in sponsors? And they are receiving even lower ratings.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 10, 2015 16:51:36 GMT -5
Wait, so why is DA still going with ROH if pro wrestling isn't bringing in sponsors? And they are receiving even lower ratings. They wanted to experiment with being a "wrestling destination" channel, and it isn't working, so both companies will be off DA in due time. And yes, the people who run DA are complete morons. The person who runs TNA happens to be an even greater moron.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 10, 2015 17:07:33 GMT -5
Wait, so why is DA still going with ROH if pro wrestling isn't bringing in sponsors? And they are receiving even lower ratings. ROH has a deal through that ends either at the end of Nov. or the end of Dec. while TNA's ends in Sept.
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Post by TLKiller990 on Sept 11, 2015 2:23:26 GMT -5
According to Showbuzzdaily.com, Impact Wrestling got 449,000 total viewers (353,000 at the first airing, 96,000 on the replay), 29,000 up from last week meanwhile ROH drew 138,000 viewers, 6,000 down from last week.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 11, 2015 2:54:47 GMT -5
I wonder why do old people like ROH? Like do they enjoy the matches? Mike Hogewood should return, he would get over with them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2015 3:29:34 GMT -5
I wonder what the 9/30 show will get as its likely to be the last one for a long time (probably for ever) will a lot of lapsed TNA fans tune in for old times sake?
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Post by domrep on Sept 11, 2015 8:26:54 GMT -5
Honestly I'm impressed with TNA's ratings. Put that in perspective, DA is seen in 40 MILLION less households than Spike, and TNA manages to bring almost half a million viewers weekly.
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Post by evilone on Sept 11, 2015 9:16:25 GMT -5
If DA cant make money of their top rated show they either 1) gave TNA too much and they cant recoup the costs 2) didn't know who their audience is before signing up TNA 3) they believed TNA could provide them with as much audience as their whole network has and make money for them as well
I don't know what could be the fourth or fifth option but excuse of having half a million viewers and not being able to make money while your next best rated show draws four times less viewers is the real bullshit here. How do they make money on big foot shows then that draw a faction of TNA or ROH? DA just don't know how to capitalize on additional viewers and it half a million or even a million viewers would not matter
If you are a classic piano player that draws 50 people in the bar every Friday and I promise you to bring in additional 200 EDM or Hip Hop fans every Friday to listen to you play classic piano music you don't go and say "oh I cant make money off 250 people because they don't like classic music" you do something and sell them your classic music.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Sept 11, 2015 10:12:36 GMT -5
If DA cant make money of their top rated show they either 1) gave TNA too much and they cant recoup the costs 2) didn't know who their audience is before signing up TNA 3) they believed TNA could provide them with as much audience as their whole network has and make money for them as well I don't know what could be the fourth or fifth option but excuse of having half a million viewers and not being able to make money while your next best rated show draws four times less viewers is the real bullshit here. How do they make money on big foot shows then that draw a faction of TNA or ROH? DA just don't know how to capitalize on additional viewers and it half a million or even a million viewers would not matter They don't make money because advertisers don't want to advertise during TNA. TNA was on the do not advertise list for a lot of advertisers. DA can sell ad space for stuff like Hunting Bigfoot, Monster and Mysteries in America, BBQ Pit Masters, Finding Bigfoot, Remodeling with Bigfoot, Buying Alaska, Skiing Tips with Bigfoot, and their other shows, but companies flat out don't want to advertise during TNA. WWE has run into some of that, but they raise USA's ratings enough that they can charge more for ad space on their other shows, and since going PG more companies are willing to advertise during WWE's shows. It's not DA's fault that advertisers don't want to buy ad space during Impact.
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Post by evilone on Sept 11, 2015 11:21:30 GMT -5
If DA cant make money of their top rated show they either 1) gave TNA too much and they cant recoup the costs 2) didn't know who their audience is before signing up TNA 3) they believed TNA could provide them with as much audience as their whole network has and make money for them as well I don't know what could be the fourth or fifth option but excuse of having half a million viewers and not being able to make money while your next best rated show draws four times less viewers is the real bullshit here. How do they make money on big foot shows then that draw a faction of TNA or ROH? DA just don't know how to capitalize on additional viewers and it half a million or even a million viewers would not matter They don't make money because advertisers don't want to advertise during TNA. TNA was on the do not advertise list for a lot of advertisers. DA can sell ad space for stuff like Hunting Bigfoot, Monster and Mysteries in America, BBQ Pit Masters, Finding Bigfoot, Remodeling with Bigfoot, Buying Alaska, Skiing Tips with Bigfoot, and their other shows, but companies flat out don't want to advertise during TNA. WWE has run into some of that, but they raise USA's ratings enough that they can charge more for ad space on their other shows, and since going PG more companies are willing to advertise during WWE's shows. It's not DA's fault that advertisers don't want to buy ad space during Impact. In order for someone to advertise on your channel you have to make a pitch, same like having a website alone would not guarantee you traffic or sales. I bet DA is not on anyone's radar yet for something like half a million viewers or the price they want is something advertisers are not willing to commit to because of many reasons. Bottom line is its DA fault they cant convert half a million viewers into profit, in their defense its not directly their fault they are handicapped by being a small TV channel and probably even Games of Thrones couldn't help them explode into mainstream properly. But you cant tell me that there is some blacklist of shows or something. There could be a priority list in certain viewership numbers and demographics but not a blacklist.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 11, 2015 12:30:10 GMT -5
If DA cant make money of their top rated show they either 1) gave TNA too much and they cant recoup the costs 2) didn't know who their audience is before signing up TNA 3) they believed TNA could provide them with as much audience as their whole network has and make money for them as well I don't know what could be the fourth or fifth option but excuse of having half a million viewers and not being able to make money while your next best rated show draws four times less viewers is the real bullshit here. How do they make money on big foot shows then that draw a faction of TNA or ROH? DA just don't know how to capitalize on additional viewers and it half a million or even a million viewers would not matter They don't make money because advertisers don't want to advertise during TNA. TNA was on the do not advertise list for a lot of advertisers. DA can sell ad space for stuff like Hunting Bigfoot, Monster and Mysteries in America, BBQ Pit Masters, Finding Bigfoot, Remodeling with Bigfoot, Buying Alaska, Skiing Tips with Bigfoot, and their other shows, but companies flat out don't want to advertise during TNA. WWE has run into some of that, but they raise USA's ratings enough that they can charge more for ad space on their other shows, and since going PG more companies are willing to advertise during WWE's shows. It's not DA's fault that advertisers don't want to buy ad space during Impact. Pro wrestling just isn't as popular as it once was, and will always be looked down on as low brow, low class entertainment. Meaning advertisers think that all wrestling fans are poor, white trash rednecks or young adult meathead dudebros who probably don't have the disposable income to buy their products even if they wanted to. DA never realized this until well after they had TWO wrestling promotions on their network.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 11, 2015 13:45:29 GMT -5
Both sides are stupid, sure. But at the end of the day, TNA agreed to having September as an opt-out point for the agreement and DA's chosen to take it, so TNA deserves what they get because they couldn't provide results good enough to keep DA from doing that. But the results they did provide are good enough for a non-WWE wrestling promotion on a premium cable channel. Clearly they're not, given that this will be the second network that dumps em.
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