Greg Valentine on Women's Wrestling

[Hit Girl]

Oh boy.

[jmule]

He's a MAAAAAN!!!

["Playboy" Don Douglas]

I don't know his true feelings on the matter, but having met Greg a few times and having spoke with him at length, I can say the guy's humor is incredibly dry. I've been told by a lot of people that I have a dry humor, and frequently have people taking me seriously when I think it's obvious I'm screwing around, and I've got nothing on Valentine. This may be how he feels. Like I said, I have no idea what his thoughts are on the matter. Having talked with him a bit, I wouldn't be surprised if he was screwing around, either for his own amusement or just to get a bit of attention and squeeze a booking or 2 out of it.

[Palmer]

Aug 24, 2015 7:29:53 GMT -5 @shadowcage said:

Aug 23, 2015 13:15:00 GMT -5 Palmer said:

And SHIMMER draws about half that normally. Still over 100.

Not really, the venue that shimmer held most of it shos at,,can only held up to 300 people and the only official attendance number I could find for shimmer is between 100 to 200 people. In your last post, you made it sound like they drew over 1000 people every show when they don't. Shimmer is a niche product, that why they only run like 4 or 6 shows every year.

Because I was at the show and that's what it looked like. Acting like women can't draw because they run a small building is idiotic.

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Aug 24, 2015 10:53:01 GMT -5 Palmer said:

Aug 24, 2015 7:29:53 GMT -5 @shadowcage said:

Not really, the venue that shimmer held most of it shos at,,can only held up to 300 people and the only official attendance number I could find for shimmer is between 100 to 200 people. In your last post, you made it sound like they drew over 1000 people every show when they don't. Shimmer is a niche product, that why they only run like 4 or 6 shows every year.

Because I was at the show and that's what it looked like. Acting like women can't draw because they run a small building is idiotic.

I'd never say women can't draw because they run a small building...I'd just say that women wrestling, in American atleast, is a niche product.

[OVO 40 hunched over like he 80]

Aug 24, 2015 9:31:16 GMT -5 "Playboy" Don Douglas said:

I don't know his true feelings on the matter, but having met Greg a few times and having spoke with him at length, I can say the guy's humor is incredibly dry. I've been told by a lot of people that I have a dry humor, and frequently have people taking me seriously when I think it's obvious I'm screwing around, and I've got nothing on Valentine. This may be how he feels. Like I said, I have no idea what his thoughts are on the matter. Having talked with him a bit, I wouldn't be surprised if he was screwing around, either for his own amusement or just to get a bit of attention and squeeze a booking or 2 out of it.

I would pop if Greg Valentine does a "Good Housekeeping Match" against Candice Lerae, f*** I'd be willing to see it live then buy the ppv and see it again just because.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Aug 22, 2015 19:28:30 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Even if he was joking around with the "barefoot in the kitchen" stuff, it's still a mindlessly simplistic thing to say: "women haven't drawn while I've been around, so they'll never draw" (never mind women's MMA drawing plenty well).

Also there's the fact that:
1. It's been proven that women can draw, as TNA showed a few times
2. 'Drawing' is not the same as it used to be. People don't draw any more, brands draw, companies draw, shows draw, wrestling itself draws.

[auph10imitated]

I agree "drawing" means nothing now - its an old terminology. No single wrestler draws. WWE draws as a company and brand. As do other brands etc.

[benstudd]

Aug 22, 2015 9:40:33 GMT -5 @andreeethemidget said:

I believe every female wrestler should have the right to be just as terrible a wrestler as Greg.

Except he was a good wrestler, one of the legends of the sport. Greg knew psychology more than any wrestler working today. 

He's a jerk but still. 

[benstudd]

Aug 22, 2015 9:42:57 GMT -5 Kevin Hamilton said:

I don't see a guy on Valentine's level, even though he was there for ages, making more money than Ronda; especially not significant money. Not when she's one of, if not THE top draw in her sport right now and then you factor in sponsorship deals, endorsements the movie appearances and the like. That's no knock on Greg either, I just don't see any way that he blows her away financially on any level. I'll concede I don't have access to their respective earnings to prove that one way or another; but just from a logic standpoint it seems to make sense that that's not true. If there are numbers somewhere, I'd be happy to say I'm mistaken.

That aside, eh, it's sort of a misguided opinion; but it's not hard to see why a dude from that era would have it. Plus, he has just enough hyperbole in what he's saying that it seems like he was playing for laughs anyway.

Just these days, most UFC fighters don't make near what wrestlers from the WWE makes. And even the top UFC guys don't make near that. Even Rousey with all her endorsements. 

I think it was George St. Pierre two years ago revealed how he was making and I was surprised how little it was. Still he was happy cause for him it was big money. But it was about what the middle WWE stars are making. 

Now picture Greg in the WWF machine with Hulkamania running wild in the 80s, the WWF guys were making tons of money. It was unreal money. Now I don't know what he did with it but understand that Greg pretty much vanished from wrestling post the 80s. He didn't go to WCW, he never did much in the WWE afterwards. So it makes sense that he lost most of it. 

[paperbackhero]

Aug 25, 2015 8:09:10 GMT -5 auph10imitated said:

I agree "drawing" means nothing now - its an old terminology. No single wrestler draws. WWE draws as a company and brand. As do other brands etc.

Drawing means less, but it still means something. Go to a WWE show where there is an injury or no-show from a big star...they will offer a refund. Cena advertised and not there? You can have your money back. Drawing is huge in UFC as well. 

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Aug 26, 2015 16:43:31 GMT -5 benstudd said:

Aug 22, 2015 9:40:33 GMT -5 @andreeethemidget said:

I believe every female wrestler should have the right to be just as terrible a wrestler as Greg.

Except he was a good wrestler, one of the legends of the sport. Greg knew psychology more than any wrestler working today. 

He's a jerk but still. 

If his old school fake looking wrestling is the great psychology i always hear old school fans talk about i will stick to my strong style japan guys my american strong style wannabes and my spot fests because if it's gonna look fake i at least want it to be exciting so from my point of view he sucks he's just a terrible wrestler and since it's based on opinion i will stick with mine.

[somsta]

Aug 26, 2015 16:58:41 GMT -5 benstudd said:

Aug 22, 2015 9:42:57 GMT -5 Kevin Hamilton said:

I don't see a guy on Valentine's level, even though he was there for ages, making more money than Ronda; especially not significant money. Not when she's one of, if not THE top draw in her sport right now and then you factor in sponsorship deals, endorsements the movie appearances and the like. That's no knock on Greg either, I just don't see any way that he blows her away financially on any level. I'll concede I don't have access to their respective earnings to prove that one way or another; but just from a logic standpoint it seems to make sense that that's not true. If there are numbers somewhere, I'd be happy to say I'm mistaken.

That aside, eh, it's sort of a misguided opinion; but it's not hard to see why a dude from that era would have it. Plus, he has just enough hyperbole in what he's saying that it seems like he was playing for laughs anyway.

Just these days, most UFC fighters don't make near what wrestlers from the WWE makes. And even the top UFC guys don't make near that. Even Rousey with all her endorsements. 

I think it was George St. Pierre two years ago revealed how he was making and I was surprised how little it was. Still he was happy cause for him it was big money. But it was about what the middle WWE stars are making. 

Now picture Greg in the WWF machine with Hulkamania running wild in the 80s, the WWF guys were making tons of money. It was unreal money. Now I don't know what he did with it but understand that Greg pretty much vanished from wrestling post the 80s. He didn't go to WCW, he never did much in the WWE afterwards. So it makes sense that he lost most of it. 

Greg had several short runs in WCW throughout the 90's.

[benstudd]

Aug 26, 2015 17:12:01 GMT -5 @andreeethemidget said:

Aug 26, 2015 16:43:31 GMT -5 benstudd said:

Except he was a good wrestler, one of the legends of the sport. Greg knew psychology more than any wrestler working today. 

He's a jerk but still. 

If his old school fake looking wrestling is the great psychology i always hear old school fans talk about i will stick to my strong style japan guys my american strong style wannabes and my spot fests because if it's gonna look fake i at least want it to be exciting so from my point of view he sucks he's just a terrible wrestler and since it's based on opinion i will stick with mine.

So what we watch now on Raw is the best wrestling can be? Somehow I don't think you even think that.

The key to old school psychology was that back in the day, people thought wrestling was real. So based on that, wrestlers tried their best to make it look real. And that is why it was great. That is how you have people invest in a story. That's what it's all about. Cause really you could have the greatest moves but if it's just a bunch of moves put together, it's boring to me cause it's like some videogame that you watch but where you don't have the control of.

I've seen a match between Dusty Rhodes and Barry Windham and all throughout, it's Windham putting a vice grip on Rhodes' head and making him suffer. Yet it was one of the greatest things I've ever seen. The key to great wrestling is have the simplest things mean so much. The chain match between Piper vs Valentine was pretty good. You should watch it.  

[benstudd]

Aug 27, 2015 13:20:22 GMT -5 somsta said:

Aug 26, 2015 16:58:41 GMT -5 benstudd said:

Just these days, most UFC fighters don't make near what wrestlers from the WWE makes. And even the top UFC guys don't make near that. Even Rousey with all her endorsements. 

I think it was George St. Pierre two years ago revealed how he was making and I was surprised how little it was. Still he was happy cause for him it was big money. But it was about what the middle WWE stars are making. 

Now picture Greg in the WWF machine with Hulkamania running wild in the 80s, the WWF guys were making tons of money. It was unreal money. Now I don't know what he did with it but understand that Greg pretty much vanished from wrestling post the 80s. He didn't go to WCW, he never did much in the WWE afterwards. So it makes sense that he lost most of it. 

Greg had several short runs in WCW throughout the 90's.

Oh thanks. I wasn't watching WCW much back then. I wonder if he made good money there. 

[somsta]

Well it was WCW so he probably got paid more than he should have. But probably not much, he had a short run in 1992 in a tag team with Terrance Taylor, then popped up here and there to do jobs for guys like the Giant. Nothing of any substance.

[Deleted]

On one hand Greg could be in "work mode" with that statement. On another hand why the f*** does Greg Valentine need to work anyone anymore? One thing's for sure: Professional wrestling. Let the gals wrestle I say.

[Deleted]

Aug 27, 2015 20:33:57 GMT -5 benstudd said:

Aug 26, 2015 17:12:01 GMT -5 @andreeethemidget said:

If his old school fake looking wrestling is the great psychology i always hear old school fans talk about i will stick to my strong style japan guys my american strong style wannabes and my spot fests because if it's gonna look fake i at least want it to be exciting so from my point of view he sucks he's just a terrible wrestler and since it's based on opinion i will stick with mine.

So what we watch now on Raw is the best wrestling can be? Somehow I don't think you even think that.

The key to old school psychology was that back in the day, people thought wrestling was real. So based on that, wrestlers tried their best to make it look real. And that is why it was great. That is how you have people invest in a story. That's what it's all about. Cause really you could have the greatest moves but if it's just a bunch of moves put together, it's boring to me cause it's like some videogame that you watch but where you don't have the control of.

I've seen a match between Dusty Rhodes and Barry Windham and all throughout, it's Windham putting a vice grip on Rhodes' head and making him suffer. Yet it was one of the greatest things I've ever seen. The key to great wrestling is have the simplest things mean so much. The chain match between Piper vs Valentine was pretty good. You should watch it.  

Somehow you don't think even i can think that? so am i stupid or something? but no i don't think it's the best it could be

I got a big problem with the whole it worked back in the day mind set and it's called MMA because most people have seen MMA and when you see what a real fight between world class athletes looks like it sure doesn't look like selling every single punch or in this case "move" it looks like people throwing everything they can at each other to win.

Sorry for me it's about suspending my disbelief for just a few short minutes and those style matches do nothing for me because the whole time i sit there thinking it's stupid that no one just throws a punch in certain positions or takes to long resting after certain things.

[Super Nintenjoe KBD]

Aug 24, 2015 9:31:16 GMT -5 "Playboy" Don Douglas said:

or just to get a bit of attention and squeeze a booking or 2 out of it.

If that is indeed his thinking it's interesting. In his old school mind insulting women will generate heat and make people want to see him get his ass kicked in the ring. But in today's ultra-sensitive climate it's more likely to make people go "ugh, that guy's a piece of shit, no way I'm paying to see a show he's on" since they know the show isn't "real".

[Deleted]

I like that it says he doesn't "believe" in women's wrestling, as though it actually just doesn't exist. It's like a Leprechaun or a Dragon.

This could be a good angle for him. He should work old school heel 24 hours a day. That would be amazing.

"The only reason a woman should ever even be in the wrestling ring is to take my robe off for me."

Pull a Dr. David Schultz on reporters or anyone who is a threat to "expose the business."

He'd be a riot on social media.