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Post by CeilingFan on Aug 23, 2015 6:40:19 GMT -5
WWF or WCW? I say WWF. Diesel's World Title reign was not entertaining at all!
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 23, 2015 6:52:28 GMT -5
The WCW main event scene was horrible, but from 94 onward it generally was, the undercard was usually stacked with talent however and 1995 saw the debut of Nitro. The WWF, on the other hand had Diesel as the world champion playing to none of his strengths and we saw the beginning of the Shawn Michaels main event push which took 2 years and was excruciating and unlike WCW, they didn't have the undercard to compensate for that. The tag scene was dead and they were having to dust off guys like King Kong Bundy for Wrestlemania matches, guys who WCW wouldn't give a second glance.
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Post by AJ Smudgico on Aug 23, 2015 6:53:06 GMT -5
(King) Mabel was headlining
Do you need to ask?
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Post by auph10imitated on Aug 23, 2015 8:24:03 GMT -5
Both had some good, and both had a lot of bad. I grew up watching it as a kid so they both have soft spots from me. Ive said it a million times before though, WWF had all the tools to be good in 1995, they had the talent but everyone was in the wrong place, switch alot of people's spots around and strip alot of the cheesy gimmicks away and things could have been pretty great.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 23, 2015 8:46:14 GMT -5
WCW, both were bad, through no fault of the undercard though. The undercard is a push, so I go to the main event scene. WWF had Diesel being, well not a good champion. WCW had Hogan and his refusal to lose. At the end of the day only one saw a guy when a strap match by attaching the strap to someone not even in the match and dragging him to all 4 corners, that same match also saw the debut of The Renegade, Hogan murdered a man on ppv after a monster truck match, only for that guy to come back a few minutes later for his match against Hogan, we got the Yeti who proceeded to dry hump Hogan, and at World War 3 Hogan couldn't even be thrown over the top.
I'd say WCW was worse.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 23, 2015 8:55:28 GMT -5
WWF
Diesel as champion and Mabel as king?
Ugh....
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Post by somsta on Aug 23, 2015 9:21:19 GMT -5
WWF had their highest drawing champion of all time. WCW had sumo monster trucks and giant mummies dry humping Hulk Hogan. Pretty easy choice.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 23, 2015 9:58:03 GMT -5
WCW was far, far worse. Believe me, I've been watching these old PPVs. WWF's main problem was a lack of solid main event heels which made Diesel's title run seem all the worse. It's odd to have a 7 ft. 330 lb. babyface as world champion to begin with. But then the only logical matches are guys like Sid (or Mabel) and you get some dire stuff. But even on those 1995 IYH shows there were some brilliant Bret Hart matches against random guys like Hakushi or Jean Pierre Laffitte. WCW had entire PPV cards in 1995 with zero redeeming value of any kind. Try watching Superbrawl 1995 sometime. Or the first Uncensored. Or Bash at the Beach 1995. Those are all terrible shows. The irony of the Mabel main evented Summerslam 1995? The rest of the show is actually really good. Survivor Series 1995 was also an excellent card.
WCW started turning the corner with a more realistic product in late 1995, but you still had the idiocy of Halloween Havoc 1995 and all that crap. Hogan was a real drain on the product by this point and WCW got a lot better after March 1996 when he went on a hiatus and finally returned as the NWO heel.
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Post by CeilingFan on Aug 23, 2015 11:57:15 GMT -5
WCW was far, far worse. Believe me, I've been watching these old PPVs. WWF's main problem was a lack of solid main event heels which made Diesel's title run seem all the worse. It's odd to have a 7 ft. 330 lb. babyface as world champion to begin with. But then the only logical matches are guys like Sid (or Mabel) and you get some dire stuff. But even on those 1995 IYH shows there were some brilliant Bret Hart matches against random guys like Hakushi or Jean Pierre Laffitte. WCW had entire PPV cards in 1995 with zero redeeming value of any kind. Try watching Superbrawl 1995 sometime. Or the first Uncensored. Or Bash at the Beach 1995. Those are all terrible shows. The irony of the Mabel main evented Summerslam 1995? The rest of the show is actually really good. Survivor Series 1995 was also an excellent card. WCW started turning the corner with a more realistic product in late 1995, but you still had the idiocy of Halloween Havoc 1995 and all that crap. Hogan was a real drain on the product by this point and WCW got a lot better after March 1996 when he went on a hiatus and finally returned as the NWO heel. I agree with a lot of what you say, but in WCW's defense 1995 was the first year they ever turned a profit. They must have been doing something right.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 12:03:16 GMT -5
I think more fondly of WCW of this era because of the debut of Nitro and the novelty of Hogan still being relatively new to the company. I think Savage went there that year too.
WWF really only had Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart. There was Diesel and Razor as well, but they only seemed to have good matches with Michaels and Hart, at least in my opinion. Add to that the fact that I am not a big fan of HBK (I acknowledge his talent but he doesn't connect with me on any level) and WCW I think was better at that time.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 23, 2015 13:53:13 GMT -5
I still enjoyed WWF in 95. I acknowledge that it wasn't very good, but I still liked it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 14:05:55 GMT -5
They were both pretty bad, but I can't think of anything good about the WWF until Survivor Series...and a friend had to send me the tape.
WCW wasn't as bad. Not saying they were better, just saying they were not as bad.
(I started buying ECW tapes in 1995, so I pretty much watched those and the syndicated USWA shows we got on some obscure UHF station at 5am on a Saturday morning.)
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Aug 23, 2015 14:10:57 GMT -5
WWF also had around zero good stories/angles around this time, MAYBE the Shawn collapsing after Owen's enzuigiri angle
Shawn had a good year, Bret's was meh (Backlund/Yankem feuds), Diesel's reign was atrocious, Razor and Kid feud was lacking (also them apparently being high as a kite all year didn't help their performances), Taker had one crappy feud after another
WCW at least had Nitro with marquee matches and angles, Pillman and Luger returning, shortterm face Vader, Horsemen reforming...
First half of the year was a disaster for both
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 23, 2015 18:22:45 GMT -5
WCW was far, far worse. Believe me, I've been watching these old PPVs. WWF's main problem was a lack of solid main event heels which made Diesel's title run seem all the worse. It's odd to have a 7 ft. 330 lb. babyface as world champion to begin with. But then the only logical matches are guys like Sid (or Mabel) and you get some dire stuff. But even on those 1995 IYH shows there were some brilliant Bret Hart matches against random guys like Hakushi or Jean Pierre Laffitte. WCW had entire PPV cards in 1995 with zero redeeming value of any kind. Try watching Superbrawl 1995 sometime. Or the first Uncensored. Or Bash at the Beach 1995. Those are all terrible shows. The irony of the Mabel main evented Summerslam 1995? The rest of the show is actually really good. Survivor Series 1995 was also an excellent card. WCW started turning the corner with a more realistic product in late 1995, but you still had the idiocy of Halloween Havoc 1995 and all that crap. Hogan was a real drain on the product by this point and WCW got a lot better after March 1996 when he went on a hiatus and finally returned as the NWO heel. Watch all the WWF programming from that period rather than just the PPVs and you'd have a far dimmer view of the product. It was incredibly stale, the newer talents that could have been something went nowhere, if they weren't jobbed out they just vanished from TV and because of this, the jobber squashes had become a chore to watch because you knew most of the guys beating up these nobodies wouldn't get anywhere, they'd go up against Shawn and then nothing.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 23, 2015 22:04:46 GMT -5
Raw was being taped in those epic 4 hour blocks back then so you'd probably get 1 (maybe 2) good hours out of the 4. WCW's week to week product got better with the advent of Nitro, but as I noted I don't think the glaring difference really started until 1996.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Aug 24, 2015 7:33:23 GMT -5
WWF was worse at the time. WCW wasn't great at the time either. I discovered ECW the year before and that kept my love of wrestling alive that year. 1995 was an awesome year for ECW.
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Post by Paco on Aug 24, 2015 7:45:52 GMT -5
Pre-Nitro: WCW
Post-Nitro: WWF
Voted for WCW since that was more months as "worst" (really, there was no winner).
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Post by CeilingFan on Aug 24, 2015 9:28:13 GMT -5
Pre-Nitro: WCW Post-Nitro: WWF Voted for WCW since that was more months as "worst" (really, there was no winner). What about Pay Per Views? I enjoyed Slamboree, Great American Bash, and Bash At The Beach. I stopped ordering WWF PPVs after July 1995 and didn't order them again until 1998.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Aug 24, 2015 14:38:29 GMT -5
Raw was being taped in those epic 4 hour blocks back then so you'd probably get 1 (maybe 2) good hours out of the 4. WCW's week to week product got better with the advent of Nitro, but as I noted I don't think the glaring difference really started until 1996. I believe that WWF PPVs were actually far more entertaining than RAW or Superstars in 1995 How many good-to-great matches or angles were there on RAW?
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Post by CeilingFan on Aug 25, 2015 16:10:25 GMT -5
WWF is winning the poll!
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