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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 27, 2015 23:15:16 GMT -5
Off topic, but I actually saw a pretty fascinating article recently about the whole "I want a bowl of only blue M&Ms waiting for me in my dressing room" thing: turns out it's a trick that band and performer's managers use to see if a venue they're booked at is 100% reliable in terms of not just pampering their acts, but also in just about everything else they do. For example, the article talked about a particular venue and drew a connection between that venue not going along with a silly, stupid request like the M&Ms bowl or whatever, and that venue also being lackadaisical about properly setting up the stage and pyrotechnics for the actual performance. Meanwhile, the venues that take care of the stupid stuff? They also get the important things right. This way, managers learn which venues to trust, and which ones to actively seek out bookings with. Sorry, again, off topic, but I've spent my life since about age 10 wondering about that. This is fascinating sounding, do you know where you found this? I actually heard that before. But it was more... person X is terribly allergic to something and we want to make damned sure that they are paying attention to this rider. edit: no you were right... here's snopes take on it www.snopes.com/music/artists/vanhalen.asp
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Post by Reflecto on Aug 27, 2015 23:25:57 GMT -5
Off topic, but I actually saw a pretty fascinating article recently about the whole "I want a bowl of only blue M&Ms waiting for me in my dressing room" thing: turns out it's a trick that band and performer's managers use to see if a venue they're booked at is 100% reliable in terms of not just pampering their acts, but also in just about everything else they do. For example, the article talked about a particular venue and drew a connection between that venue not going along with a silly, stupid request like the M&Ms bowl or whatever, and that venue also being lackadaisical about properly setting up the stage and pyrotechnics for the actual performance. Meanwhile, the venues that take care of the stupid stuff? They also get the important things right. This way, managers learn which venues to trust, and which ones to actively seek out bookings with. Sorry, again, off topic, but I've spent my life since about age 10 wondering about that. This is fascinating sounding, do you know where you found this? I heard the same thing, and apparently it's part of Van Halen's book (they were the ones who invented the "pick out the brown M&M's" tactic- and they also need very impeccable technical skill or their setup would be incredibly dangerous to the band itself.)
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 27, 2015 23:36:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I think you guys are on it: I don't remember the site where I read the article, but I'm pretty certain it referred to the Van Halen stories.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 23:51:26 GMT -5
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Post by DIIV on Aug 28, 2015 3:39:41 GMT -5
Yeah "diva" became a thing in modern lexicon as a negative for discussing spoiled music artists who wanted brown M&Ms picked out of their bowls. Then a decade later that Beyonce song to "empower" it or whatever. I agree with every word Storm said there pesonally. Off topic, but I actually saw a pretty fascinating article recently about the whole "I want a bowl of only blue M&Ms waiting for me in my dressing room" thing: turns out it's a trick that band and performer's managers use to see if a venue they're booked at is 100% reliable in terms of not just pampering their acts, but also in just about everything else they do. For example, the article talked about a particular venue and drew a connection between that venue not going along with a silly, stupid request like the M&Ms bowl or whatever, and that venue also being lackadaisical about properly setting up the stage and pyrotechnics for the actual performance. Meanwhile, the venues that take care of the stupid stuff? They also get the important things right. This way, managers learn which venues to trust, and which ones to actively seek out bookings with. Sorry, again, off topic, but I've spent my life since about age 10 wondering about that. This is the weirdest thing in the world, I was actually reading about exactly this earlier today. Van Halen was the first band to start the M&Ms thing for the reasons you touched upon. It just somehow got lost in translation.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Aug 28, 2015 5:02:21 GMT -5
Hey, when did Nikki Bella last defend the title? It was before this whole thing started, but when? Are they just gonna have her avoid any form of title match to ensure this stupid obsession with the record being broken goes through?
...and where's Nattie? You'd think she would fit in perfectly with the Sisterhood of the Traveling Submission Holds. Is she injured, or is she out because Tyson's out?
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 28, 2015 5:03:57 GMT -5
Hey, when did Nikki Bella last defend the title? It was before this whole thing started, but when? Are they just gonna have her avoid any form of title match to ensure this stupid obsession with the record being broken goes through? ...and where's Nattie? You'd think she would fit in perfectly with the Sisterhood of the Traveling Submission Holds. Is she injured, or is she out because Tyson's out? If they did haver defend it I bet them dirty so and sos would find a way to rigs it!
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 28, 2015 5:07:06 GMT -5
Hey, when did Nikki Bella last defend the title? It was before this whole thing started, but when? Are they just gonna have her avoid any form of title match to ensure this stupid obsession with the record being broken goes through? ...and where's Nattie? You'd think she would fit in perfectly with the Sisterhood of the Traveling Submission Holds. Is she injured, or is she out because Tyson's out? Her last broadcasted title defense was Beast in the East on July 4th. Nattie seems to be out because of Tyson, though I do think she worked the recent Australia tour.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Aug 28, 2015 5:08:26 GMT -5
Hey, when did Nikki Bella last defend the title? It was before this whole thing started, but when? Are they just gonna have her avoid any form of title match to ensure this stupid obsession with the record being broken goes through? ...and where's Nattie? You'd think she would fit in perfectly with the Sisterhood of the Traveling Submission Holds. Is she injured, or is she out because Tyson's out? If they did haver defend it I bet them dirty so and sos would find a way to rigs it! Well, duh. It's the Bellas. Their gimmick and/or real life is basically "we need all of the attention!" If it wouldn't be blisteringly stupid (which means it might damn well happen), they'd give the belt to Brie and have her be the second longest reigning champion. Hey, when did Nikki Bella last defend the title? It was before this whole thing started, but when? Are they just gonna have her avoid any form of title match to ensure this stupid obsession with the record being broken goes through? ...and where's Nattie? You'd think she would fit in perfectly with the Sisterhood of the Traveling Submission Holds. Is she injured, or is she out because Tyson's out? Her last broadcasted title defense was Beast in the East on July 4th. Nattie seems to be out because of Tyson, though I do think she worked the recent Australia tour. Ah, thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 6:24:37 GMT -5
Storm hit the nail on the head as far as the term "Divas". Forget about insulting, it sounds stupid as hell.
Phony sincerity doesn't make something right. Just because the WWE says it believes in diversity, it doesn't mean they practice it. Same deal here. Women sports is an "in" concept now. Stephanie is clinging onto it like a life jacket. That doesn't mean they actually believe in it. Hell, was it Vince who couldn't believe women fight in MMA? Then you have Stephanie who refuses to make any of her female employees look good at her expense despite being a heel, but suddenly she is Super Feminist Mom who fights for women's rights.
This whole thing is phony and stupid, which means it has Steph and Vince's fingerprints all over it.
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Post by PL23 on Aug 28, 2015 14:57:29 GMT -5
Vince also believes people will die in the UFC, so presumably he knows even less about the megastar that is Ronda Rousey.
Women have no chance of getting over if they're booked as badly as they are on the main show. To have rattled through all the possible matches in the divas revolution in such a short amount of time is ridiculous. It's almost as if they couldn't have a promo segment one week. No, it HAD to be a match.
Plus, the most over of the 9 by far is the one that isn't seen that much, even when the crowd is demanding her.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 28, 2015 15:03:18 GMT -5
Ronda might die in UFC when she whips someone's ass so badly, it ruptures the fabric of space, creates a black hole and sucks her into it.
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Post by PL23 on Aug 28, 2015 15:04:40 GMT -5
Ronda's not in the octagon long enough to kill anybody.
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Post by Prince Petty on Aug 28, 2015 15:08:25 GMT -5
The thing is, we now have proof that wider audiences will be invested in these women, if given the chance.
NXT just did shows in Brooklyn where Sasha vs Bayley brought the house down, and where the NXT taping had Becky Lynch get what might be the second loudest pop of the show (after Enzo & Cass). People care about these women, and it's not just the Full Sail regulars. People want to see them succeed, and I think the backlash against this 'revolution' is mostly out of anger at the WWE for stuffing it up so royally. If only there was a way to get that across unmistakeably, because I think Vince and Dunn will use the negativity as 'proof' that women shouldn't be pushed in the WWE.
They're not fighting the right fight, if they're just trying to get more segments on RAW and Smackdown for the women. They need to be the right segments, done the right way, to get the crowds invested.
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Post by Andy Martin on Aug 28, 2015 15:13:25 GMT -5
Vince also believes people will die in the UFC, so presumably he knows even less about the megastar that is Ronda Rousey. I mean people have died before(albeit not in the UFC) and things have the potential to get REAL hairy with this upcoming IV ban, so he might not be wrong there(obviously I hope he is)
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Post by markymark on Aug 28, 2015 18:27:39 GMT -5
The Bellas are better wrestlers than the likes of Trish and Lita, the problem is the booking(Vince/Dunn).
Even if u have the likes of Sarah Stock, Kana, Athena wrestling 20+mins on raw, it wont matter because there is no story, 0 character development, no reason to care for the match..
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Post by edgehead on Aug 28, 2015 20:03:29 GMT -5
I'll blame it on two things. The first is that we basically have 3 teams and that's it. No one is going after the title and no one is entirely sure why these 3 teams are suppose to hate each other.
The second, is that we've been told it's a revolution instead of letting things happen naturally. I was all for hitting the reset button on the division, but when you have the commentators saying the word "revolution" 12 times every segment, it starts to lose it's magic.
Look no further than Roman Reigns at the Rumble. In 2014, fans went crazy for him despite there not being a Bryan in the Rumble. Fast forward 1 year later when they've been told he will be the future, and he gets booed out of the arena.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 28, 2015 20:05:11 GMT -5
Vince also believes people will die in the UFC Odds are fair it's bound to happen. Sooner or later, someone will take a strike to the nose wrong.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 28, 2015 20:13:46 GMT -5
It doesn't help that just a little over a year ago, we were supposed to see something similar happen to the women's division, with AJ on top and Emma and Paige coming in. That drizzled out.
The roster really needs to get beyond the "one name" thing. That's almost, I hate to say, a "strip club" thing. It doesn't work, especially now that so many of them have such common names. Give them full names, round out their character just that little bit more.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 28, 2015 20:43:25 GMT -5
This is fascinating sounding, do you know where you found this? I actually heard that before. But it was more... person X is terribly allergic to something and we want to make damned sure that they are paying attention to this rider. edit: no you were right... here's snopes take on it www.snopes.com/music/artists/vanhalen.aspTo add to that, although they had regular food requests in a catrering section of the rider, the M&Ms deman was buried in the technical section next to their power supply requirements. If they didn't read that bit, they probably wouldn't have a safe show. This was added after they'd had a stagehand nearly die early in their career.
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