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Post by Mister Pigwell on Aug 28, 2015 20:44:53 GMT -5
That's brilliant.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 28, 2015 20:44:42 GMT -5
Add me to the list of people who can't stand when WWE tries to force stuff like "revolution" or "moments" down our throats instead of actually letting them be that way organically.
They're like the one asshole at a party everyone hates because they try to create a new lame dance or some new corny fad and say "LOOK EVERYONE!! IT'S THE NEW THING!!" expecting everyone to just follow suit because he said so.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 28, 2015 21:37:55 GMT -5
It doesn't help that just a little over a year ago, we were supposed to see something similar happen to the women's division, with AJ on top and Emma and Paige coming in. That drizzled out. The roster really needs to get beyond the "one name" thing. That's almost, I hate to say, a "strip club" thing. It doesn't work, especially now that so many of them have such common names. Give them full names, round out their character just that little bit more. Really, though. It might have worked when they had Divas with names like Sable and Jazz and Lita, but Emma? Come on, now.
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Post by thetower52 on Aug 28, 2015 22:14:52 GMT -5
It doesn't help that just a little over a year ago, we were supposed to see something similar happen to the women's division, with AJ on top and Emma and Paige coming in. That drizzled out. The roster really needs to get beyond the "one name" thing. That's almost, I hate to say, a "strip club" thing. It doesn't work, especially now that so many of them have such common names. Give them full names, round out their character just that little bit more. Really, though. It might have worked when they had Divas with names like Sable and Jazz and Lita, but Emma? Come on, now. But those names where countered with Trish Stratus, Molly Holly Ok kinda ran out of names there
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 28, 2015 23:53:02 GMT -5
Yeah, the "first names only" thing is incredibly infantilizing. It's so odd that they're drawn to naming so many women that way, yet Vince clearly has a thing for only giving male wrestlers last name (I guess Sheamus excluded?).
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Post by sdjonesbackhole on Aug 29, 2015 0:51:02 GMT -5
I was over it before it started. No matter how good it is, women's wrestling will always be a novelty.
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Post by oneday on Aug 29, 2015 0:53:01 GMT -5
Yeah, the "first names only" thing is incredibly infantilizing. It's so odd that they're drawn to naming so many women that way, yet Vince clearly has a thing for only giving male wrestlers last name (I guess Sheamus excluded?). The current divas roster is half and half on the last name business. Maybe it has something to do with how a lot of pop stars only go by first names. Madonna, Cher, Beyonce ect. Looking at WWE.com's superstar page, it seems the men's roster is pretty split on 3 categories. No first/last name(Fandango,Neville), conventional first and last name(John Cena Titus O'neil), or more of a stage name(The Miz, The Undertaker). I tried doing all the counting in my head, but kept messing up or having trouble deciding where certain superstars would go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 0:56:14 GMT -5
I was over it before it started. No matter how good it is, women's wrestling will always be a novelty. To you, maybe. But NXT sold out a 15,000 seat arena last week with a women's wrestling match as one of two main events, and it's pretty much unanimous that said women's match was the best bout on the whole card. That, to me, seems like a lot more than a novelty.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Aug 29, 2015 6:44:51 GMT -5
The Bellas are better wrestlers than the likes of Trish and Lita, .. The Bellas are better than Trish/Lita? Saving this post. I figure next time someone tries to prop up their BS opinion by playing the "it's my opinion,man, and opinions can't be wrong" card; I now have the perfect counter example. This isn't correct in any universe
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Post by Woo on Aug 29, 2015 7:09:56 GMT -5
I was over it before it started. No matter how good it is, women's wrestling will always be a novelty. Wrestling itself is a novelty. Women's wrestling can be as popular as the men. Women's tennis, gymnastics or athletics is not deemed as a novelty and womens football continues to grow at a fast rate with news that there will be womens football in the latest FIFA game being a huge deal. For years the WWE have been trying to court the female auidence and they've done everything they can think of... except have good female wrestlers with good characters have good wrestling matches. There's no reason why young girls can't be drawn in by Bayley the same way young boys can't be fans of Cena.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Aug 29, 2015 7:15:46 GMT -5
The thing is that the Divas division can only be good with the talent and the issue is a lot of the Divas on the main roster where not in NXT or FCW or that matter. Outside of the call ups from NXT this last group and Paige. Natalya and Tamera is the only other diva who knows how to wrestle because she had years of indies work and went through the WWE system. The rest have none of that and where either a divas search winner or contestent, or a runner up in tough enough (Cameron and Niami) and Vince and Co, all seem like they are end up like Trish who ended up being good but they forgetting a few things.
Trish BUSTED her ass to learn how to wrestle. You can compare Trish and the Bellas because 00 to Mid 01 Trish couldn't wrestle and wasn't that good outside having a good fight, much like Stephanie. But from 02 on she got good because her and Finley worked hours before each show with Divas and Trish had the will. It also helped that she was put against Molly, Victoria, Lita, Jazz, Jacqueline, and Ivory who where ALL wrestlers coming into the WWE and knew what they are doing. Trish only had to deal with Jackie Gayda, Stacy, and Terri most of that run but those three wasn't used nearly as much as wrestlers as the rest.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Aug 29, 2015 9:54:09 GMT -5
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 29, 2015 10:17:08 GMT -5
That Lance Storm write-up. I pretty much agree with that.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Aug 29, 2015 10:32:40 GMT -5
The raw wrestling style is completely different than what they do on NXT. Sasha, Charlotte, and Becky all were trained to actually WORK a match. Now put them on raw, where you don't work, you just hit move after move, and then rest hold after rest hold. The 3 call ups haven't adjusted yet to the spotty style that they're being told to wrestle.
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Post by basicdugganomix on Aug 29, 2015 10:46:10 GMT -5
Even in matches with each other charlotte is the person botching. Look at the match with becky vs team bad
Charlotte was the botch machine
I really think both charlotte and paige benefitted from the whole working out matches in nxt. Sasha and Becky look better adept at getting through a match hastily put together on tv.
Which when you put in more people it gets convoluted.
This really is why tag titles need to happen because this is a match the girls can perform in.
Paige has been horribad since jumping up. Specifically the matches with AJ. Her stuff with naomi and nikki has been good.
Nikki is actually pretty good at keeping a match together. When given clear direction like beast in the east. Even paige and tamina looked awesome in the match.
Heck that six woman tag in washington where brie was over like rover was good
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Post by basicdugganomix on Aug 29, 2015 11:19:57 GMT -5
youtu.be/nbDSvRMc9rQDivas revolution guys Mika, chun, cammy are all fan service characters. But(t) they also are represented as actual fighters. Divas tow the line between fan service and athletes way too much But just look at joshi they try to destroy each other. Then they have karaoke and basically act as idols after the show.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 29, 2015 11:34:12 GMT -5
The Bellas are better wrestlers than the likes of Trish and Lita, .. The Bellas are better than Trish/Lita? Saving this post. I figure next time someone tries to prop up their BS opinion by playing the "it's my opinion,man, and opinions can't be wrong" card; I now have the perfect counter example. This isn't correct in any universe I will give him that the Bellas may know more moves that Trish. That isn't their problem. It is putting them in some type of order that flows.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 29, 2015 11:35:55 GMT -5
The raw wrestling style is completely different than what they do on NXT. Sasha, Charlotte, and Becky all were trained to actually WORK a match. Now put them on raw, where you don't work, you just hit move after move, and then rest hold after rest hold. The 3 call ups haven't adjusted yet to the spotty style that they're being told to wrestle. Not only that, but it was all 3 times faster. They are having to slow down so much that their timing is way off.
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Post by Prince Petty on Aug 29, 2015 12:46:01 GMT -5
Yeah, the "first names only" thing is incredibly infantilizing. It's so odd that they're drawn to naming so many women that way, yet Vince clearly has a thing for only giving male wrestlers last name (I guess Sheamus excluded?). I flat out do not get the 'one name only' thing. It makes no sense to me, if you're trying to present your wrestlers as distinct and realistic people. And there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to when they decide to do it. Why is it just 'Paige' when there's also 'Sasha Banks'? Why is it still 'Kofi Kingston' when there's also 'Neville'? Charlotte, in particular, makes no sense. Because they flat out tell you every time she appears that she's Ric Flair's daughter. Why is she not Charlotte Flair? It wouldn't be hard at all to give the women real person names, because even if you have no creativity at all, you can just use their real surnames, and keep the rights because their first names are gimmicked. Paige Knight sounds cool. Emma Dashwood sounds like a Jane Austen heroine, but fine. Bayley Martinez would work fine, or if they don't want to use a latino surname (for whatever messed up reason), just use the surname she used to have in the indys. Bayley Rose sounds alright. Imagine if they first named all the men on the roster. 'The following match, scheduled for one fall, is for the United States Championship. Introducing first, the challenger... Kevin! And his opponent, the United States Champion... John!
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Aug 29, 2015 13:43:20 GMT -5
Vince also believes people will die in the UFC Odds are fair it's bound to happen. Sooner or later, someone will take a strike to the nose wrong. But every contact sport has had at least one fatality associated with it. That's not unique to UFC.
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