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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 29, 2015 1:02:59 GMT -5
I must be one of the few people that isn't bothered by the damn thing at all. All it's really going to mean in the end is a bit of lip service on commentary putting over the title reign (holy shit, actually being made to DO THEIR JOB and put over talent to the viewers) and becoming an answer to a trivia question nobody really cares to ask in the first place. And the moment it ends, it's not like it's going to be "This champion is great, but she's nothing compared to our saviour Nikki Bella".
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 29, 2015 1:03:55 GMT -5
Nikki's reign may suck, but so did AJ's. And Kaitlyn's. I can't think of a Divas' champion who had a particularly good reign off the top of my head. Consistently ok-more-or-less matches, consistently fun segments, when it comes to the women's/divas titles in WWE Laycool was flawless. Your idea of good is wildly different from mine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 1:31:23 GMT -5
Why is it that everyone who defends Nikki's reign always has to say "well it's better than AJ's" like it's an accurate defense? Shit is shit at the end of the day regardless who's reign you liked more. A bad reign is a bad reign. They both have had horrible reigns so I don't care if you compare the two in reigns. At the end of the day, it's not acceptable for the "lead" women's title in the company. This is what bugs me: what's better about it? Nikki hasn't had a match as well-booked as AJ/Kaitlyn at Payback. That bout had as much story to it any Takeover, just obviously shorter. She probably won't have a match as good as AJ did with Natalya at TLC or later on Main Event. Coming out of those PPVs, most people said at the time that those were probably the best or second best matches on their respective PPVs. Take into account her feud with Kaitlyn to start off her reign, which was the most natural brief divas push the main roster has seen in years, and the fact that she was consistently over and in one alignment and it actually meant something when she dropped the title because she gave a f*** about putting it over... I don't know. I get that opinions are subjective but I feel like people are retroactively crapping on AJ's heel reign while they enjoyed it at the time. And I'm never too sure if the Nikki fandom around here is a meme or genuine but, objectively, the only time she was gaining steam was when they actually let her be a heel for a few months against Paige. It's been tragic otherwise and it's annoying that they won't even let her defend the thing. TL;DR: How can Nikki's reign be better when the matches suck enough to get a crowd to zone out and she hasn't even defended the title in over two months? I'm not even sure because personally I haven't enjoyed any match she's had since she's been champion. However, in the beginning I wasn't bothered by her reign because I thought "well she's just holding it until Charlotte moves up" but it's gotten worse as time went on. There was 1 moment however that told me that she shouldn't be champion anymore though. During Elimination Chamber when she went for the Rack Attack on Naomi she was smiling wide, happy and then pinned her clean while cheering. Something about that seemed "wrong" like, not that I care if Naomi or Paige were champion but it just felt like a copout for some reason. It hit me that she's been champion for a long time. Go check that match and watch her, you'll see what I mean. Anyway, checked the internet and Meltzer and Alvarez said Naomi was supposed to become champion sometime during then but it didn't happen so idk. Either way that match woke me up to how long she's been champion and it officially became a "stale" act that point. People can argue that it was before but before then I didn't see it. In Naomi's defense, she seemed like a good person to become champion then. Let her have a small run until Charlotte moves up and takes the belt from her and it woudla been good but it seemed like Naomi was setup to win and they just didn't pull the trigger.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 29, 2015 5:54:09 GMT -5
Domestic violence isn't cool.
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Post by Woo on Aug 29, 2015 7:00:51 GMT -5
The length of Nikki's reign doesn't matter. Moolah had the belt for years and she also represents everything wrong with women's wrestling over the last five decades. In fact Moolah is even worse as she's the reason women were and are treated as a joke in the first place not to mention what a horrible person she was.
Don't get me wrong, Nikki's reign is awful, but hopefully as soon as the WWE have pleased themselves by snuffing out AJ and satisfied John Cena's politics things will improve.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Aug 29, 2015 7:09:15 GMT -5
The length of Nikki's reign doesn't matter. Moolah had the belt for years and she also represents everything wrong with women's wrestling over the last five decades. In fact Moolah is even worse as she's the reason women were and are treated as a joke in the first place not to mention what a horrible person she was. Don't get me wrong, Nikki's reign is awful, but hopefully as soon as the WWE have pleased themselves by snuffing out AJ and satisfied John Cena's politics things will improve. With the recent knowledge about how Moolah really was, I think it's disingenuous to compare Nikki to her. But you are right on one thing, Nikki does represent when many resent about the divas division and what they want changed. However, some don't feel that change is necessary, namely the higher ups. And that's one reason why progress won't be made.
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Post by Woo on Aug 29, 2015 7:12:24 GMT -5
The length of Nikki's reign doesn't matter. Moolah had the belt for years and she also represents everything wrong with women's wrestling over the last five decades. In fact Moolah is even worse as she's the reason women were and are treated as a joke in the first place not to mention what a horrible person she was. Don't get me wrong, Nikki's reign is awful, but hopefully as soon as the WWE have pleased themselves by snuffing out AJ and satisfied John Cena's politics things will improve. With the recent knowledge about how Moolah really was, I think it's disingenuous to compare Nikki to her. But you are right on one thing, Nikki does represent was many resent about the divas division and what they want changed. However, some don't feel that change is necessary, namely the higher ups. And that's one reason why progress won't be made. Oh sorry I didn't mean to call Nikki's character into question by comparing her to Moolah, I meant more that Moolah was also a terrible wrestler while there were others out there like Mildred Burke who were pioneers and having great matches.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 29, 2015 8:02:14 GMT -5
"Nikki sucks"
"No, AJ sucks"
"No, Nikki"
"Nah, AJ"
I just saved you 4 boobless pages.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 29, 2015 10:34:13 GMT -5
"Nikki sucks" "No, AJ sucks" "No, Nikki" "Nah, AJ" I just saved you 4 boobless pages.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 29, 2015 11:14:33 GMT -5
Nikki's reign may suck, but so did AJ's. And Kaitlyn's. I can't think of a Divas' champion who had a particularly good reign off the top of my head. Consistently ok-more-or-less matches, consistently fun segments, when it comes to the women's/divas titles in WWE Laycool was flawless. She had the same problems as Bella, with the addition of the literally worst angle ever in Piggie James hanging over everything she did.
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 29, 2015 11:20:36 GMT -5
Consistently ok-more-or-less matches, consistently fun segments, when it comes to the women's/divas titles in WWE Laycool was flawless. She had the same problems as Bella, with the addition of the literally worst angle ever in Piggie James hanging over everything she did. Oh no, Laycool was really fun. They did all manner of silly skits and weren't afraid to look really foolish almost all the time. Tons of great memories and clips in this thread: officialfan.proboards.com/thread/396444/laycool-memorial-thread You always knew where you stood with Laycool, none of this heel/face/heel/face bullshit. And they were the bright spot of many a Smackdown show.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 29, 2015 11:30:10 GMT -5
She had the same problems as Bella, with the addition of the literally worst angle ever in Piggie James hanging over everything she did. Oh no, Laycool was really fun. They did all manner of silly skits and weren't afraid to look really foolish almost all the time. Tons of great memories and clips in this thread: officialfan.proboards.com/thread/396444/laycool-memorial-thread You always knew where you stood with Laycool, none of this heel/face/heel/face bullshit. And they were the bright spot of many a Smackdown show. Kaval was the only bright spot. I don't have many fond memories of Triple M's neverennding reign, or her stupid exaggerated accent that made Hank Hill sound like William Regal by comparison.
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Post by kidglov3s on Aug 29, 2015 11:33:52 GMT -5
Oh no, Laycool was really fun. They did all manner of silly skits and weren't afraid to look really foolish almost all the time. Tons of great memories and clips in this thread: officialfan.proboards.com/thread/396444/laycool-memorial-thread You always knew where you stood with Laycool, none of this heel/face/heel/face bullshit. And they were the bright spot of many a Smackdown show. Kaval was the only bright spot. I don't have many fond memories of Triple M's neverennding reign, or her stupid exaggerated accent that made Hank Hill sound like William Regal by comparison. She was playing a funhouse mirror caricature, I felt it totally fit.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 29, 2015 15:29:56 GMT -5
I must be one of the few people that isn't bothered by the damn thing at all. All it's really going to mean in the end is a bit of lip service on commentary putting over the title reign (holy shit, actually being made to DO THEIR JOB and put over talent to the viewers) and becoming an answer to a trivia question nobody really cares to ask in the first place. And the moment it ends, it's not like it's going to be "This champion is great, but she's nothing compared to our saviour Nikki Bella". Same tbh. I mean, I get the frustration with the booking and all that, but people around here act it'll be the death of women's wrestling in North America if Nikki beats her reign. Records get beaten everyday, b.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 15:37:51 GMT -5
I must be one of the few people that isn't bothered by the damn thing at all. All it's really going to mean in the end is a bit of lip service on commentary putting over the title reign (holy shit, actually being made to DO THEIR JOB and put over talent to the viewers) and becoming an answer to a trivia question nobody really cares to ask in the first place. And the moment it ends, it's not like it's going to be "This champion is great, but she's nothing compared to our saviour Nikki Bella". I only really care in that it's just pointlessly prolonging a title reign that should have ended six months ago out of spite, while basically sabotaging the division around her to make it happen and preventing her from taking some much-needed time off for her laundry list of injuries.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 16:25:58 GMT -5
Sheamus/Del Rio's whole run was better than Nikki's reign.
Yeah I said it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 18:22:55 GMT -5
Only thing that grates about her is I have a bugbear about fully grown adults who wear baseball caps backwards.
"Nikki, dress like you're much younger than you actually are!" Man, I wonder who gave her that advice.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Aug 29, 2015 19:47:44 GMT -5
Only thing that grates about her is I have a bugbear about fully grown adults who wear baseball caps backwards. "Nikki, dress like you're much younger than you actually are!" Man, I wonder who gave her that advice. No clue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:52:30 GMT -5
Why do they even care about making sure Nikki has a longer reign than AJ? I mean, what a stupid thing to prioritize, especially when they're all about this Diva Revolution stuff.
I guess whoever wins it from her will get the "she beat the longest reigning champion EVER" hype, but again, who cares? The reign lasting longer isn't helping the heat involved with the program, that's what should matter the most.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Aug 29, 2015 20:02:39 GMT -5
Only thing that grates about her is I have a bugbear about fully grown adults who wear baseball caps backwards. "Nikki, dress like you're much younger than you actually are!" Man, I wonder who gave her that advice. It is a bit edit: but not NEARLY as bad as AJ's skipping... there I brought us back to Nikki vs AJ
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