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Post by Madagascar Fred on Sept 1, 2015 16:32:05 GMT -5
Who lost 99% or his matches clean in 1998 In 1997 an aging (53 years old) Terry Funk defeated 2 of the top ECW stars (Sandman and Richards) in a very bloody and brutal match and then defeated the top heel in the promotion (Raven) who was fresh to win the ECW title. I would hate to see the outrage if such a scenario happened today. It was sold as "veteran has one last ride on top" (kinda failed anyway...), but besides, he lost the vast majority of his 95-97 ECW matches! Against Raven, Dreamer and co...
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Sept 1, 2015 16:32:31 GMT -5
The old guys wrestling the young guys doesn't have to be a problem. This isn't top loading Mania with part timers, this is salting in a few legends - one of whom is full time and a legitimate once in a lifetime talent - to draw in casuals to a B show, which they should have been doing all along. The reason WWE feels the need to put part timers in the Mania main events is because they aren't using the rest of the year to build the rest of the roster up to those spots. Having older stars wrestle the champions on the B-PPVs literally because they don't feel any of the regular roster are worthy contenders only exacerbates that issue. The biggest problem is that 95% of "regular roster vs regular roster" matches have happened ad nauseam to fill time on RAW that there really isn't any draw to watching it on PPV. Why would I take 3 hours out of my day so I can pay to watch two guys have a 20 minute match when they've had that same 20 minute match for free every single week for months? The company is terrible at managing their time and getting guys over in general. I don't have a problem with guys like the Dudley Boyz and Sting working matches. I'm really doubtful they'd put the title on Sting (stranger things have happened I guess) but I'm sure the guy will do his damnedest to make Seth look like a million bucks, which is more than you can say for most of Rollins' title reign. As for the Dudleyz, I honestly think they will win the tag titles but it's not going to be much more than a fun little nostalgia run before putting over The New Day or some other team to drop them back. I tend to get sick of it when old guys hog the screen (or did when I was still watching regularly), but that's just a result of the real problem which is that WWE have absolutely sucked at making stars for almost 15 years, hence why they constantly need to bring back guys from when they did know what they were doing to keep fans interested.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 1, 2015 16:34:51 GMT -5
The reason WWE feels the need to put part timers in the Mania main events is because they aren't using the rest of the year to build the rest of the roster up to those spots. Having older stars wrestle the champions on the B-PPVs literally because they don't feel any of the regular roster are worthy contenders only exacerbates that issue. The biggest problem is that 95% of "regular roster vs regular roster" matches have happened ad nauseam to fill time on RAW that there really isn't any draw to watching it on PPV. Why would I take 3 hours out of my day so I can pay to watch two guys have a 20 minute match when they've had that same 20 minute match for free every single week for months? The company is terrible at managing their time and getting guys over in general. I don't have a problem with guys like the Dudley Boyz and Sting working matches. I'm really doubtful they'd put the title on Sting (stranger things have happened I guess) but I'm sure the guy will do his damnedest to make Seth look like a million bucks, which is more than you can say for most of Rollins' title reign. As for the Dudleyz, I honestly think they will win the tag titles but it's not going to be much more than a fun little nostalgia run before putting over The New Day or some other team to drop them back. I tend to get sick of it when old guys hog the screen (or did when I was still watching regularly), but that's just a result of the real problem which is that WWE have absolutely sucked at making stars for almost 15 years, hence why they constantly need to bring back guys from when they did know what they were doing to keep fans interested. They have other guys on the roster that they can use on RAW and SmackDown in order to keep the regular stars away from each other and save those matches for the PPV. They just don't for whatever reason. I hate saying this, but they probably need to go back to the Wheel of Aggression (albiet more competitive) booking. As repetitive as it was to see Del Rio beat lower card faces or seeing Sheamus or Orton beat random heels every week, at least they weren't blowing potential PPV matches back then. They could start by booking matches like Roman Reigns vs. Stardust, Dean Ambrose vs. Adam Rose, or Bray Wyatt vs Jack Swagger.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Sept 1, 2015 16:46:46 GMT -5
In 1997 an aging (53 years old) Terry Funk defeated 2 of the top ECW stars (Sandman and Richards) in a very bloody and brutal match and then defeated the top heel in the promotion (Raven) who was fresh to win the ECW title. I would hate to see the outrage if such a scenario happened today. It was sold as "veteran has one last ride on top" (kinda failed anyway...), but besides, he lost the vast majority of his 95-97 ECW matches! Against Raven, Dreamer and co... I see Sting's run in the same light.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Sept 1, 2015 17:08:08 GMT -5
It was sold as "veteran has one last ride on top" (kinda failed anyway...), but besides, he lost the vast majority of his 95-97 ECW matches! Against Raven, Dreamer and co... I see Sting's run in the same light. Alright we'll see how Rollins will come out of this...who else exactly?
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Sept 1, 2015 17:47:29 GMT -5
I see Sting's run in the same light. Alright we'll see how Rollins will come out of this...who else exactly? Much like Funk back then this is basically Sting's last run at the top and a chance for him to win the WWE title. I don't see Rollins hurt by losing to Sting. Sting is a legend and a loss to him won't have a bad connotation. As long as WWE doesn't absolutely botch his booking after this I would assume he would be fine. I've enjoyed Seth's run as a chickenshit heel and Sting logically makes sense as the one to end his reign as Sting has had issues with the Authority in the past. Also leaves Rollins a ready made feud with HHH after which could be pretty good and could cement him as a star. HHH put over Bryan as much as possible so I'd expect the same with Rollins. Ironically I see The Dudleys much like Sting in 1997. A reborn team (though not as dramatic as Sting) that has been around for a while but doing arguably their best work later in their career. Much like Crow Sting I think The Dudleys can be a huge boost for WWE. Show is in the midcard and putting on some good performances. Don't see anyone getting hurt by his position.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Sept 1, 2015 17:59:52 GMT -5
Welcome to 2015, where the old guys put over the young guys as they should. You mean the young guys are wrestling them by default because WWE won't push other young guys to feud with them. Yes, I would much rather see New Day feud with the Hype Bros than the Dudleyz.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 1, 2015 18:06:19 GMT -5
So what was your point exactly then? If Dudleyz win at NOC I will get back at you That Sting is almost certainly going to job clean to Seth, as he should, which helps get Seth over. Lies and propaganda. Sting is going over Seth because Seth will be too beat up after facing Cena to beat a fresh Sting. Now whether or not Sheamus walks out champion at this PPV or the next...that I'm not sure.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Sept 1, 2015 18:06:34 GMT -5
You mean the young guys are wrestling them by default because WWE won't push other young guys to feud with them. Yes, I would much rather see New Day feud with the Hype Bros than the Dudleyz. Enzo & Cass and Vaudevillains could be brought up any minute now, also Dash/Dawson and Jordan/Gable have alot of potential Lucha Dragons, Usos, Ascension, PTP and Matadores (other gimmick for pete's sake) could be used way better on the main roster So why exactly do we need a team consisting of 40+year olds, that was stale as hell in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2008......?
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Sept 1, 2015 18:13:27 GMT -5
Yes, I would much rather see New Day feud with the Hype Bros than the Dudleyz. Enzo & Cass and Vaudevillains could be brought up any minute now, also Dash/Dawson and Jordan/Gable have alot of potential Lucha Dragons, Usos, Ascension, PTP and Matadores (other gimmick for pete's sake) could be used way better on the main roster So why exactly do we need a team consisting of 40+year olds, that was stale as hell in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2008......? All those teams have plenty of time later on to be pushed. Bringing back the Dudleys for a short nostalgia run isn't going to destroy anyone else's chances in the spot light. The crowds seem to be loving the run anyway.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Sept 1, 2015 18:18:42 GMT -5
Enzo & Cass and Vaudevillains could be brought up any minute now, also Dash/Dawson and Jordan/Gable have alot of potential Lucha Dragons, Usos, Ascension, PTP and Matadores (other gimmick for pete's sake) could be used way better on the main roster So why exactly do we need a team consisting of 40+year olds, that was stale as hell in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2008......? All those teams have plenty of time later on to be pushed. Bringing back the Dudleys for a short nostalgia run isn't going to destroy anyone else's chances in the spot light. The crowds seem to be loving the run anyway. This is what WCW 1999 said too...
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Post by Ruthless Pessimism on Sept 1, 2015 18:25:19 GMT -5
Yes, I would much rather see New Day feud with the Hype Bros than the Dudleyz. Enzo & Cass and Vaudevillains could be brought up any minute now, also Dash/Dawson and Jordan/Gable have alot of potential Lucha Dragons, Usos, Ascension, PTP and Matadores (other gimmick for pete's sake) could be used way better on the main roster So why exactly do we need a team consisting of 40+year olds, that was stale as hell in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2008......? Because they're a solid team that's over as hell.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Sept 1, 2015 18:31:20 GMT -5
All those teams have plenty of time later on to be pushed. Bringing back the Dudleys for a short nostalgia run isn't going to destroy anyone else's chances in the spot light. The crowds seem to be loving the run anyway. This is what WCW 1999 said too... WCW 1999 said, "Let's dress Hulk Hogan like Konnan, put Ric Flair in a mental hospital, turn Sting evil, and recreate the Montreal screw job!"
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Post by Session Moth is over on Sept 1, 2015 18:37:55 GMT -5
While I hope the New Day hold the straps for another few months I don't mind seeing the Dudleys get the titles down the road. Maybe around December or January they could win them and then they could drop them to any of New Day/Prime Time/Lucha Dragons at Wreatlmania. With those teams and whenever the Uso's return there is a pretty good tag team division in place if the WWE took it seriously.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 1, 2015 18:58:24 GMT -5
Enzo & Cass and Vaudevillains could be brought up any minute now, also Dash/Dawson and Jordan/Gable have alot of potential Lucha Dragons, Usos, Ascension, PTP and Matadores (other gimmick for pete's sake) could be used way better on the main roster So why exactly do we need a team consisting of 40+year olds, that was stale as hell in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2008......? All those teams have plenty of time later on to be pushed. Bringing back the Dudleys for a short nostalgia run isn't going to destroy anyone else's chances in the spot light. The crowds seem to be loving the run anyway. All those teams have plenty of time later on to be pushed...until WWE decides to release them "because they're not over"...because they spent too much time focusing on the past stars.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Sept 2, 2015 2:34:06 GMT -5
All those teams have plenty of time later on to be pushed. Bringing back the Dudleys for a short nostalgia run isn't going to destroy anyone else's chances in the spot light. The crowds seem to be loving the run anyway. All those teams have plenty of time later on to be pushed...until WWE decides to release them "because they're not over"...because they spent too much time focusing on the past stars. Wait a minute buddy! Making sense and building/securing the future isn't as important as me marking out for a few weeks for a nostalgia act!!!
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Sept 2, 2015 3:03:14 GMT -5
All those teams have plenty of time later on to be pushed...until WWE decides to release them "because they're not over"...because they spent too much time focusing on the past stars. Wait a minute buddy! Making sense and building/securing the future isn't as important as me marking out for a few weeks for a nostalgia act!!! They'll be fine, enough with your snide jibber jabber.
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Post by Madagascar Fred on Sept 2, 2015 3:07:21 GMT -5
Wait a minute buddy! Making sense and building/securing the future isn't as important as me marking out for a few weeks for a nostalgia act!!! They'll be fine, enough with your snide jibber jabber. I'll get back at you with this in a few months
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Sept 2, 2015 3:09:01 GMT -5
Just wanna say watching Funk come out to the ring with Desperado as theme amd then winning awesome to me at the time.
And if Sting won I wouldn't be mad. I've lived through/and I'm currently living through WWE bad calls with guys.
Sting shouldn't have lost to HHH in the first place. If he was going to face Seth for the belt it should have been the first match he had back at NOC. Seems like no one would think Sting could win and it was just another way to put Rollins and the Authority over. Sting beats him and everyone is either shocked happy or shocked upset. HHH vows to not let Sting get away with this. Once again the collective groan of HHH beating Sting happens and he plans insure victory. Then we have HHH vs Sting. Sting retains with run-ins included. Sting kicks out a Shawn Michaels run-in because Stings faith multipler is higher than Shawn. No Hogan this time so the unthinkable happens and Flair shows up. We all know what's next then he turns around and low blows HHH instead of the obvious billionth doublecross on Sting. Sting retains an loses back to Rollins. Flair gets out of what he did to Hunter by simply saying for all the Shit I did to Sting, he owed him one. HHH puffs up and says "I understand, you know how many times I've beat up Shawn."
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