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Patti Mayonnaise
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Post by Pensacola Tableheads on Sept 3, 2015 9:57:42 GMT -5
Best news this preseason, by far.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 3, 2015 10:00:37 GMT -5
WHY WOULDN'T HE BE FAIR TO A STAR PLAYER? Again why would he have a vendetta against a star player of a major franchise? This was fair until the judge over turned it I'm not trolling you. I have to legit ask you: Do you honestly, 100% think that the investigation, punishment, and appeal process were all completely fair and unslanted? Goodell was as fair to Brady as he is to any other NFL player. Take that as you will.
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Lupin the Third
Patti Mayonnaise
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Post by Lupin the Third on Sept 3, 2015 10:05:25 GMT -5
Well, Goodell. You should've settled for 1-2 games It would've been better than nothing. But nope. You had to gamble it all and hope you rolled Hard 10. But it came up 7, and you lost everything.
But hey, good news. We've nominated you for a prestigious award that very few have had the honor to be nominated for.
DUMBEST SPORTS COMMISSIONER EVER.
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Ben Wyatt
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Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 3, 2015 10:07:19 GMT -5
I'm not trolling you. I have to legit ask you: Do you honestly, 100% think that the investigation, punishment, and appeal process were all completely fair and unslanted? Yes. Why wouldn't it be? Why would the commissioner pick Tom Brady to try and get like he's Dr. Claw and Brady is Inspector Gadget? He cheated, he got caught and he got bailed out by this judge. Someone leaked false info to Mortensen, then Goodell hired lapdog Ted Wells, who wrote a heavily flawed report. There's a matter of Brady's testimony not being in the report, Brady's appeal testimony being completely mischaracterized by Goodell in appeal ruling. They didn't allow Pash interview. Ultimtely didn't follow correct precedure. Now, you asked why? Here's my thought: Goodell *had* to win this one. His persona of Mr Discipline had to stick. Taking down Brady, one of the faces of the league, would have cemented his power.
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bob
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Post by bob on Sept 3, 2015 10:07:24 GMT -5
I hope this is the last straw for Goodell and he gets outed.
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Ben Wyatt
Crow T. Robot
Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 3, 2015 10:12:34 GMT -5
I hope this is the last straw for Goodell and he gets outed. I can't fathom how Goodell comes back from this. I saw it somewhere that between Wells report and legal fees, the league spent 10 million. This dragged on for 7 months and all just to have him lose *again*?!? He's gotten his ass kicked in court 4 or 5 straight times now. He prides himself on being Mr Discipline, but he has absolutely no idea how to conduct the process without being blatent in his abuse of power.
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Mackenzie Gorn
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Sept 3, 2015 10:35:31 GMT -5
Let's start the conspiracy theory that the only reason the judge ruled in favor of Brady was because he had drafted him for his fantasy football team.
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BK From WV
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Post by BK From WV on Sept 3, 2015 10:37:39 GMT -5
Do I think Brady and the Patriots cheated? Yes. They have a track record of not playing by the rules. I actually might have believed Brady until the smashing of the cell phone. His excuse of he does that to every cell phone was one of the worst excuses I have ever heard. That being said, Roger Goodell has handled the NFL so horribly these past couple of years, I'm not even upset about the outcome. I can't recall the last time I have seen a person with that much authority be so inept at his job. Sadly, this probably isn't over as the NFL will most likely appeal. No one comes out looking good in this.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 3, 2015 11:06:08 GMT -5
From what I heard on ESPN Radio, an appeal is likely and the judge never ruled on Brady's guilt or innocence. The judge simply ruled that Goodell did not follow proper procedure in imposing his sentence. He did not inform Brady that his punishment could be as severe as it was and that he did not show that it should have been that severe.
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Sam Punk
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Post by Sam Punk on Sept 3, 2015 11:07:19 GMT -5
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 3, 2015 11:14:33 GMT -5
Hey Pats fans, congrats you got your QB back.
For those that were saying that Goodell completely overstepped his powers, yup you were right. At least now, you know this is getting appealed.
Is Brady exonerated in terms of cheating? Sorry no. He got Ryan Braun'd.
That being said, 1 week to go. Least there's a college game to watch tonight that matters.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 3, 2015 11:17:55 GMT -5
From what I heard on ESPN Radio, an appeal is likely and the judge never ruled on Brady's guilt or innocence. The judge simply ruled that Goodell did not follow proper procedure in imposing his sentence. He did not inform Brady that his punishment could be as severe as it was and that he did not show that it should have been that severe. That's often how these things go. The judge in this case wasn't there to decide whether Brady cheated, whether he knew about it, or whether it gave him a competitive advantage. He cared about the NFL's conduct in this case and whether it was appropriate. The reality was, Brady wasn't on trial, Goodell was, and the judge decided that this whole judge, jury, and executioner thing Goodell has stil has rules.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 3, 2015 11:21:45 GMT -5
From what I heard on ESPN Radio, an appeal is likely and the judge never ruled on Brady's guilt or innocence. The judge simply ruled that Goodell did not follow proper procedure in imposing his sentence. He did not inform Brady that his punishment could be as severe as it was and that he did not show that it should have been that severe. That's often how these things go. The judge in this case wasn't there to decide whether Brady cheated, whether he knew about it, or whether it gave him a competitive advantage. He cared about the NFL's conduct in this case and whether it was appropriate. The reality was, Brady wasn't on trial, Goodell was, and the judge decided that this whole judge, jury, and executioner thing Goodell has stil has rules. Yeah but the problem becomes those rules were indeed set and they say the commish has all the power. The judge just undid a major portion of the CBA for reasons that aren't clear since by the CBA, he did everything correctly. The NFL has no power anymore thanks to this and the can of worms opened is mighty large.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 3, 2015 11:26:54 GMT -5
That's often how these things go. The judge in this case wasn't there to decide whether Brady cheated, whether he knew about it, or whether it gave him a competitive advantage. He cared about the NFL's conduct in this case and whether it was appropriate. The reality was, Brady wasn't on trial, Goodell was, and the judge decided that this whole judge, jury, and executioner thing Goodell has stil has rules. Yeah but the problem becomes those rules were indeed set and they say the commish has all the power. The judge just undid a major portion of the CBA for reasons that aren't clear since by the CBA, he did everything correctly. The NFL has no power anymore thanks to this and the can of worms opened is mighty large. The problem is that this is half the NFL's fault. The NFL tried to manipulate the evidence, they broke the rules of court conduct by withholding evidence from the defense, they were basicalyl begging to be taken to task for their handling of the case. It is a big can of worms, but it's not necessarily a bad one. The NFL has no consistency with punishments when it comes to rules violations now, this ruling goes a way in telling the NFL that they need standards beyond how Goodell is feeling that day. Between this and the Ray Rice incident, the NFL really needed a slap on the head.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Sept 3, 2015 11:29:49 GMT -5
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Dr. T is an alien
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 3, 2015 11:36:32 GMT -5
As I understood based on how it was told on the NFL Network, the judge had 3 major objections that led to his ruling:
1) The NFL did not inform Brady of how sever the punishment would be if he did not cooperate. To that I call BS. He was informed. It is spelled out in the CBA. I imagine that the NFL's appeal will address that portion of his ruling.
2) The NFL did not make certain individuals available during the appeals process. I would call that a legitimate concern. That will have to be remedied during the appeal.
3) The initial reports said that the judge did not find that Brady had general knowledge that it was done. I also call BS on that one. Drew Brees demonstrated on Conan that when given a series of footballs he could tell you how inflated they were by feel. He was given several footballs and just by holding them he could determine exactly how inflated they were. I imagine anyone who handles footballs as often as an NFL starting QB does can do the same.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 3, 2015 11:41:01 GMT -5
Rubbing those hands together like Birdman. Works every time.
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Ben Wyatt
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Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 3, 2015 11:42:29 GMT -5
Brady wins, Commish's office is dead, please let's move on. Goodell said they're appealing. So, let's all enjoy another 6 months of this story. :/
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Sept 3, 2015 11:47:10 GMT -5
Oh no, it's not over. The NFL will appeal and it can take about 6 month to a year for the case to be heard.
Now here is the fun question, what happens if the appeals court's decides in the NFL's favor and the decision comes down during the dead week of the Superbowl which the Pats are playing in? I know that won't happen, we are doomed for another offseason of this pointless stupid shit. I rather hear about a big fat lineman's love for tea cup chihuahuas in tutus than deflation scandal 2015.
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Dr. T is an alien
Patti Mayonnaise
Knows when to hold them, knows when to fold them
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 3, 2015 11:50:51 GMT -5
WHY WOULDN'T HE BE FAIR TO A STAR PLAYER? Again why would he have a vendetta against a star player of a major franchise? This was fair until the judge over turned it I'm not trolling you. I have to legit ask you: Do you honestly, 100% think that the investigation, punishment, and appeal process were all completely fair and unslanted? While you were not asking me, I have been one of the more vocal supporter of the initial ban on these forums so I will answer as well; Was it completely fair and unslanted? Not entirely, no. Goodell demonstrated during the Ray Rice incident that he lets public opinion affect how he handles disciplinary cases and he is not always fair about it. Do I think he let public opinion play a role here? Yes. Do I think the way Brady handled the initial controversy played a huge role in how public opinion formed? Absolutely. It's what probably led to Goodell electing to make an example of Brady, which in and of itself is not really unfair as long as he stayed within his authority and followed procedure. Therein lies the crux of the situation. Now, do I think that it was so unfair that it should have been overturned? Not entirely, but if evidence was withheld then Goodell loses me on this one. I think the process will have to be repeated with everything on the table. Brady, of course, will be unwilling to compromise or cooperate now. I think that the end result will ultimately be the same: a 4 game suspension for Tom Brady. I don't think that they were unfair to Brady in the initial suspension process. They were unfair to him in the appeals process, which is why it all has to be repeated. I think if they do the appeal completely above board (as they should have to begin with), then they will win the appeal.
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