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Post by Stu on Sept 18, 2015 11:39:08 GMT -5
Okay, first off, this doesn't apply to Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. We know they were among the biggest players during the Monday Night War, just behind Vince McMahon, Eric Bischoff, Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin and maybe Bret Hart.
But of the remaining Kliq members, who had the biggest role during the Monday Night War? Arguments could be made on behalf of each member.
Shawn Michaels: Was the WWF's top guy during the first half before disappearing for the second half. But his two contributions were the creation of Degeneration X and the Montreal Screw job.
Xpac: He was active throughout the war in both companies and was a solid midcarder. But he also likely made the biggest jump when the war was at its peak. That jump - as well as his shoot comments - were solid examples of how serious the war had gotten.
Triple H: He didn't do much during the first Half. During the second half, he led Degeneration X and was part of the Norfolk Scope Invasion (say what you will, but it was still a big deal at the time). He later rose to the main event and became one of the WWF's leaders.
Thoughts?
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Post by fw91 on Sept 18, 2015 11:45:21 GMT -5
hbk's real life douchyness coming off on tv was one the kick starters of the attitude era
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 18, 2015 11:46:45 GMT -5
I went with Shawn from being one of the parts that helped Diesel get over, and then being part of the Screwjob (and the Austin Wrestlemania main event) helped set in motion two of the big angles of the MNW, albeit not really purposely
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Sept 18, 2015 12:03:00 GMT -5
I'm going with X-Pac - he leaves WWF in May 1996, and a few weeks later WCW starts their 84 week winning streak - he leaves WCW and returns to WWF in March 1998, and what happens? WCW's ratings go down, and WWF's go up coincidence?
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 18, 2015 12:25:36 GMT -5
Also going with X-Pac. Triple H may have been the leader of DX, but X-Pac was the one that I remember being aware of even as a kid who didn't watch wrestling - he was the mascot for the group (which was a major case of a whole being stronger than its parts), as well as being a solid fixture of the WWF midcard and one of the most notable jumps.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Sept 18, 2015 13:10:48 GMT -5
HBK. Without the screw job does Vince become a heel? Does Austin have the same degree of success without heel Vince as his perfect foil? Plus HBK had the Tyson in DX angle that got enough mainstream exposure to get the momentum back for WWF.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 18, 2015 16:15:56 GMT -5
HHH because of tank.
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Post by rippo on Sept 18, 2015 17:06:42 GMT -5
HHH cause he ended the War when he blew up WCW in his tank.
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Sept 18, 2015 18:03:08 GMT -5
I know people love to hate on him, but anyone who thinks that HHH wasn't a major player in the Attitude Era, greater than Michaels (who wasn't even around for the peak years), and greater than X-Pac who never went beyond an over midcard guy, is completely and utterly delusional.
I'm not huge on the guy for a lot of reasons, but the man carried the company on his back for a LONG time. He played a great upper-midcarder who could be inserted into main events for years, finally got his chance at the main event and excelled, and then kept the company afloat during a time when they lost basically EVERY major star they had from Austin to the Rock to Taker to Foley. Once they started building new stars, he put people over left and right to help cement them, many of whom are still stars within the company. Sure, he's played the political game, but so has basically everyone else who has ever been the top guy in any company ever. But he also had the talent to stay over as a face or a heel, and put over plenty of folks along the way.
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Post by Stu on Sept 18, 2015 18:11:43 GMT -5
I know people love to hate on him, but anyone who thinks that HHH wasn't a major player in the Attitude Era, greater than Michaels (who wasn't even around for the peak years), and greater than X-Pac who never went beyond an over midcard guy, is completely and utterly delusional. I'm not huge on the guy for a lot of reasons, but the man carried the company on his back for a LONG time. He played a great upper-midcarder who could be inserted into main events for years, finally got his chance at the main event and excelled, and then kept the company afloat during a time when they lost basically EVERY major star they had from Austin to the Rock to Taker to Foley. Once they started building new stars, he put people over left and right to help cement them, many of whom are still stars within the company. Sure, he's played the political game, but so has basically everyone else who has ever been the top guy in any company ever. But he also had the talent to stay over as a face or a heel, and put over plenty of folks along the way. The Attitude Era ended before most of the stuff you reference in your second paragraph.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 18, 2015 18:14:43 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 18:16:08 GMT -5
Shawn, no doubt. If Vince lost Shawn to WCW, he would've shut the whole damn company down.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 18, 2015 23:07:58 GMT -5
I know people love to hate on him, but anyone who thinks that HHH wasn't a major player in the Attitude Era, greater than Michaels (who wasn't even around for the peak years), and greater than X-Pac who never went beyond an over midcard guy, is completely and utterly delusional. I'm not huge on the guy for a lot of reasons, but the man carried the company on his back for a LONG time. He played a great upper-midcarder who could be inserted into main events for years, finally got his chance at the main event and excelled, and then kept the company afloat during a time when they lost basically EVERY major star they had from Austin to the Rock to Taker to Foley. Once they started building new stars, he put people over left and right to help cement them, many of whom are still stars within the company. Sure, he's played the political game, but so has basically everyone else who has ever been the top guy in any company ever. But he also had the talent to stay over as a face or a heel, and put over plenty of folks along the way. Trips is the most important of the group by far in the overall sense, but he took a while to get there - almost to the end of the Attitude Era as it's commonly thought of.
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Post by kevthetree on Sept 19, 2015 4:32:21 GMT -5
X-Pac's biggest influence wasn't anything he actually did, but the way he was released from WCW. I believe both Hall and Nash have said in interviews that they way he was treated was the moment that they decided they just weren't going to give a shit, and not do anything to help the company.
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Post by jimmyjames on Sept 19, 2015 7:10:12 GMT -5
I think Xpac. Not only was he in both WCW and WWF, but he had prominent roles in each when they were at their peak. I really can't picture either WCW or WWf,. He just seemed to personify the era for both companies, especially with his scuzziness as my mom used to say about him, during the Attitude Era.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Sept 19, 2015 10:44:15 GMT -5
Shawn, because him being a whiny little bitch helped chase Bret Hart out of the company and then he put over Steve Austin= and wisely took a hike when his primadonna antics weren't tolerated anymore.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Sept 19, 2015 11:42:04 GMT -5
It has to be Sean Waltman. His first and (and lesser important) jump to WCW was a sign of how badly WWE was running at the time as they "lost" his paper work allowing him to go to WCW for a few weeks in petty move of desperation. His second jump back to WWE was the clear sign that all momentum was with Raw and that post WM XIV show was the show where many of the Nitro fans like me turned on Raw and then very rarely went back.
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Post by radiantsilvergun on Sept 19, 2015 13:17:28 GMT -5
Undertaker for making sure HBK did the job.
Nah seriously, HBK because he did the job for Austin. It HAD to be HBK or Bret that did it and Bret left already
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Post by alexwrightspackage on Sept 19, 2015 13:35:19 GMT -5
I went with 'without this person, the MNW would less likely to happen' (the argument for taking 'Valuable' in MVP literally).
Admittedly hylerbolic, but felt like HBK kind of kept things afloat for the WWF. Bret and Taker were there too of course, but without HBK's antics, I don't see much of an edge that would lead into the Stone Cold era and beyond.
HHH and Xpac were great in DX (and angry Sean Waltman was a key part of DX), but the other Attitude Era stars had also matured, so I personally feel while they contributed (greatly), HBK felt more like he was on his own a bit more, and he helped pioneer things. Hence, most valuable.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Sept 19, 2015 13:41:42 GMT -5
HHH aka. The DX Tank
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