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Post by Vern on Sept 22, 2015 12:53:47 GMT -5
One thing I would change, no cuts to JBL just listening, his resting face... I don't wanna look at that. They used it a bit to cover up when they cut bits of Bischoff talking.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 22, 2015 12:54:37 GMT -5
One thing I would change, no cuts to JBL just listening, his resting face... I don't wanna look at that. They used it a bit to cover up when they cut bits of Bischoff talking. I know, but still, a different shot would have been nice lol
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Post by Vern on Sept 22, 2015 13:05:28 GMT -5
They used it a bit to cover up when they cut bits of Bischoff talking. I know, but still, a different shot would have been nice lol Oh yeah, for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 13:22:22 GMT -5
It was the Monday Night Wars episode, where it was JR, Michael Hayes and Mick Foley grilling Bischoff (Mostly Hayes) for being so mean and competing with Vince McMahon's monopoly. Just came off like they were trying to get him to apologize for shit the whole time instead of just talking about it. I'm watching it now on the Network. It's mostly Hayes grilling Bischoff with the other guys throwing in a few softball questions. Strangely enough, I believe Bischoff. I always have in comparison to Vince Russo. Yeah I usually like Bischoff in interviews, he's very soft spoken and usually much of what he says makes sense. In this particular instance Hayes approaches Bischoff from such an emotional point of view that Bischoff's mild mannered reasonable responses make it hard not to take his side.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Sept 22, 2015 14:54:44 GMT -5
Lol his TNA tenure won't be talked about. TNA isn't canon in WWE. They're gonna say that Eric spend this last couple of years fishing or something. Vince Senpai will never notice me. :`(
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Post by Shark on Sept 23, 2015 15:56:02 GMT -5
I liked the part when JBL discussed the Cruiserweight title, and whether that segregates the guys in the cruiserweight division, and limits their ascent to the World Heavyweight title (Eric disagreed with the 'glass ceiling' to an extent but agreed on the purpose of the division, to keep eyes peeled). JBL said that a cruiserweight/light heavyweight division is something that WWE has not done well in the past. Those designated 'cruiserweights' in the past who reached World title/main event status were so far removed from the division by that point. Rey Mysterio had no interaction with the cruiserweight division come 2006, except a Champion vs. Champion match in which the Cruiserweight Champion Gregory Helms was bigger than him! I don't know how much it was revisionist history but Eddie Guerrero and Dean Malenko were US title holders during 1997. Honestly Eddie had demons and how much higher up the card could Dean Malenko really go? To say they were forever crusierweights didn't have to be true and wasn't true. WCW had a problem where there was a glut at the top and no where to put them. They had big money contracts and you had to use them or you were wasting money in the eyes of suits. So any movement upwords would seem to have a glass ceiling. We could write a research paper on the fall of WCW but I don't feel like getting into that level of detail. I think The Malenkos and Guerreros and Jerichos felt that they had no potential upward mobility in WCW. Eddie and Dean were US title holders, but they were still seen and used as mid card guys and lost in the shuffle. Plus it's not as though those reigns were memorable. Eddie did have demons, but he was hardly the only guy in WCW who was like that. Scott Hall's demons were used for storylines. I think especially as WCW got into 1998 and 1999 and those big contract guys drawing power was clearly dropping. Instead of trying to use these great workers to maybe change things around, they kept going back to those tired names. And Benoit can't be mentioned, but he was just as much a victim in this as well and while people like to hate Jericho now, you look at his work in 1998 and the dude was so entertaining and should have been able to ascend to a way higher spot in that company than he did. It might feel like revisionist history, but no one involved in WCW has ever denied that that group of guys had no shot at moving up.
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Post by 67 more on Sept 24, 2015 2:23:28 GMT -5
I don't know how much it was revisionist history but Eddie Guerrero and Dean Malenko were US title holders during 1997. Honestly Eddie had demons and how much higher up the card could Dean Malenko really go? To say they were forever crusierweights didn't have to be true and wasn't true. WCW had a problem where there was a glut at the top and no where to put them. They had big money contracts and you had to use them or you were wasting money in the eyes of suits. So any movement upwords would seem to have a glass ceiling. We could write a research paper on the fall of WCW but I don't feel like getting into that level of detail. I think The Malenkos and Guerreros and Jerichos felt that they had no potential upward mobility in WCW. Eddie and Dean were US title holders, but they were still seen and used as mid card guys and lost in the shuffle. Plus it's not as though those reigns were memorable. Eddie did have demons, but he was hardly the only guy in WCW who was like that. Scott Hall's demons were used for storylines. I think especially as WCW got into 1998 and 1999 and those big contract guys drawing power was clearly dropping. Instead of trying to use these great workers to maybe change things around, they kept going back to those tired names. And Benoit can't be mentioned, but he was just as much a victim in this as well and while people like to hate Jericho now, you look at his work in 1998 and the dude was so entertaining and should have been able to ascend to a way higher spot in that company than he did. It might feel like revisionist history, but no one involved in WCW has ever denied that that group of guys had no shot at moving up. Bischoff actively denies it in his interview.
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Post by Paul E. Funk on Sept 24, 2015 2:41:13 GMT -5
JBL seems to like using the word 'Wunderkind'
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Post by Vern on Sept 24, 2015 4:31:42 GMT -5
JBL seems to like using the word 'Wunderkind' Obviously the fact that someone speaks German doesn't have any bearing on their political views, but every time I hear a German word out of Jibble's mouth I picture this:
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Post by 67 more on Sept 24, 2015 5:06:48 GMT -5
JBL seems to like using the word 'Wunderkind' Obviously the fact that someone speaks German doesn't have any bearing on their political views, but every time I hear a German word out of Jibble's mouth I picture this:
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 24, 2015 8:12:58 GMT -5
I think The Malenkos and Guerreros and Jerichos felt that they had no potential upward mobility in WCW. Eddie and Dean were US title holders, but they were still seen and used as mid card guys and lost in the shuffle. Plus it's not as though those reigns were memorable. Eddie did have demons, but he was hardly the only guy in WCW who was like that. Scott Hall's demons were used for storylines. I think especially as WCW got into 1998 and 1999 and those big contract guys drawing power was clearly dropping. Instead of trying to use these great workers to maybe change things around, they kept going back to those tired names. And Benoit can't be mentioned, but he was just as much a victim in this as well and while people like to hate Jericho now, you look at his work in 1998 and the dude was so entertaining and should have been able to ascend to a way higher spot in that company than he did. It might feel like revisionist history, but no one involved in WCW has ever denied that that group of guys had no shot at moving up. Bischoff actively denies it in his interview. This is easier as outsiders in hindsight. Should they have moved people aside and pushed the young guys more? Absolutely, but it you're the boss and you have about 10 main eventers with various levels of pull, who do you move aside? Benoit was over as hell, but he had very obvious problems as an all around main event guy, which is why even in his own World reighn, he was never the main focus. Eddie had his car crash and we don't know what other issues behind the scenes. Jericho's the big one, pull the trigger on him after the Goldberg feud and you have a made guy, but at the time,most of these guys you can argue weren't ready. DDP and Goldberg did manage to move up, but the pure depth of roster made it really hard for anyone to get to the top even without other people actively sabotaging things.
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Post by xCompackx on Sept 24, 2015 18:28:48 GMT -5
Part 2 is up on the Network and while none of it is new, it's an interesting interview.
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Post by Dragonfly on Sept 24, 2015 20:21:24 GMT -5
What was Bischoff's "millennium pay-per-view" idea? I'm not entirely familiar with that one.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Sept 24, 2015 20:25:47 GMT -5
Not to get nitpicky, because it was a really enjoyable show, but did anyone catch the factual error in part 2? I'll put it in a spoiler tag if you want to watch for it. {Spoiler}When JBL and Eric are discussing the premature ending of Halloween Havoc '98, JBL brings up WWE having to compensate for a thunderstorm that pretty much cost them an entire PPV. A factoid box pops up that says this incident took place in 1997. Um, no. It was in 1996. Also, I was surprised that you can clearly hear "Voodoo Child" when they play the clip of Tony Schiavone spoiling Mick Foley's title win.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 24, 2015 21:08:14 GMT -5
Too much talk about the DX invasion
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Sept 25, 2015 0:12:27 GMT -5
They didn't cut any reference to Hogan.
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 25, 2015 1:52:22 GMT -5
What was Bischoff's "millennium pay-per-view" idea? I'm not entirely familiar with that one. Bischoff wanted to do a PPV from 9pm-12am on December 31, 1999 that was going to be combination wrestling PPV and KISS concert
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 25, 2015 5:01:16 GMT -5
What was Bischoff's "millennium pay-per-view" idea? I'm not entirely familiar with that one. Bischoff wanted to do a PPV from 9pm-12am on December 31, 1999 that was going to be combination wrestling PPV and KISS concert The rumor is that this was going to be at the Astrodome, headlined by The KISS Demon vs Vampiro. How the hell did JBL get the impression that this show was going to salvage 1999?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 25, 2015 9:56:42 GMT -5
Bischoff wanted to do a PPV from 9pm-12am on December 31, 1999 that was going to be combination wrestling PPV and KISS concert The rumor is that this was going to be at the Astrodome, headlined by The KISS Demon vs Vampiro. How the hell did JBL get the impression that this show was going to salvage 1999? A "Millennium" show is a cool idea, until you think about it. KISS being irrelevent, WCW being so damaged people wouldn't watch it, everyone was out that night so no one would be in to buy it.
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 25, 2015 10:22:04 GMT -5
The rumor is that this was going to be at the Astrodome, headlined by The KISS Demon vs Vampiro. How the hell did JBL get the impression that this show was going to salvage 1999? A "Millennium" show is a cool idea, until you think about it. KISS being irrelevent, WCW being so damaged people wouldn't watch it, everyone was out that night so no one would be in to buy it. yes KISS was irrelevant. except for the fact that they were in the middle of a resurgence for their career, had just come off a pretty successful tour, put out a new album and movie, had a special on Fox, and a countless number of other things going on at the time.
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