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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 14:03:41 GMT -5
It does nothing to elevate the prestige or importance of the title. Its not the "US TITLE" anymore, its the "This Title Is Only Important When John Cena Has It" title. It also shouldn't be an "open challenge" for the title, because while that is fun for a few nights, ideally it should be a heavily sought after title that people clamour over each other to get a shot at. Cena shouldn't be playing is worn out "man of the people" schtick with it. He should be like an elder king, sitting on his throne only allowing most worthy challengers to have a shot. In that scenario, the "most worthy" challengers would only be other guys who are too good for the U.S. Title. Cena's contenders would be no better than Cena himself, guys who are "settling" for the U.S. Title because they can't have the WWE World Heavyweight Title right now. It would be the "This Title is Only Important Because John Cena is Defending It against Randy Orton, Sheamus, Dean Ambrose, Roman Reigns and the Big Show" Title. Cena as an "elder king" basically makes it almost as if we were back to having two World Titles. The open challenge at least ensures that actual midcarders have a chance at what should be a midcard title. True, though for me having two world titles made the show WAY more watchable. Maybe he could do something more like that speech he gave about how "the future goes through me" stuff. Where he bascially makes the US Title the stepping stone to the World Title. Though, that's also the problem with two midcard belts AND WWE would actually have to book someone in a strong way after holding the US title. Alot of the problem isn't whether or not he drops the US title to someone, but whether or not they're willing to actually pull the trigger on someone who wins it. Still, so far, the John Cena Open Challenge has been just more Cenawinslol for the most part. That is to say, it doesn't really give anyone in the midcard any higher status. There have been plenty of random matches with Cena vs MidCard guy before this that have amounted to nothing.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 21, 2015 14:10:43 GMT -5
In that scenario, the "most worthy" challengers would only be other guys who are too good for the U.S. Title. Cena's contenders would be no better than Cena himself, guys who are "settling" for the U.S. Title because they can't have the WWE World Heavyweight Title right now. It would be the "This Title is Only Important Because John Cena is Defending It against Randy Orton, Sheamus, Dean Ambrose, Roman Reigns and the Big Show" Title. Cena as an "elder king" basically makes it almost as if we were back to having two World Titles. The open challenge at least ensures that actual midcarders have a chance at what should be a midcard title. True, though for me having two world titles made the show WAY more watchable. Maybe he could do something more like that speech he gave about how "the future goes through me" stuff. Where he bascially makes the US Title the stepping stone to the World Title. Though, that's also the problem with two midcard belts AND WWE would actually have to book someone in a strong way after holding the US title. Alot of the problem isn't whether or not he drops the US title to someone, but whether or not they're willing to actually pull the trigger on someone who wins it. Still, so far, the John Cena Open Challenge has been just more Cenawinslol for the most part. That is to say, it doesn't really give anyone in the midcard any higher status. There have been plenty of random matches with Cena vs MidCard guy before this that have amounted to nothing. The thing is that even if someone beat Cena cleanly...hell, even if Cena lost by submission, Cena's subsequent non title feud will be treated as more important than whatever the new champion is doing. That's just a reality that we all have to accept. That's why I'm hoping for Cena to just give lower card guys competitive matches where they get to do something other than being squash fodder, rather than for "The Next Big Thing" to topple him. I feel that Cenawinslol can be used for good instead of evil if WWE were smart with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 14:12:50 GMT -5
True, though for me having two world titles made the show WAY more watchable. Maybe he could do something more like that speech he gave about how "the future goes through me" stuff. Where he bascially makes the US Title the stepping stone to the World Title. Though, that's also the problem with two midcard belts AND WWE would actually have to book someone in a strong way after holding the US title. Alot of the problem isn't whether or not he drops the US title to someone, but whether or not they're willing to actually pull the trigger on someone who wins it. Still, so far, the John Cena Open Challenge has been just more Cenawinslol for the most part. That is to say, it doesn't really give anyone in the midcard any higher status. There have been plenty of random matches with Cena vs MidCard guy before this that have amounted to nothing. The thing is that even if someone beat Cena cleanly...hell, even if Cena lost by submission, Cena's subsequent non title feud will be treated as more important than whatever the new champion is doing. That's just a reality that we all have to accept. That's why I'm hoping for Cena to just give lower card guys competitive matches where they get to do something other than being squash fodder, rather than for "The Next Big Thing" to topple him. I feel that Cenawinslol can be used for good instead of evil if WWE were smart with it. Yeah thats why no matter how many MitB's, open challenges, etc etc they do, none of it means a damn if they don't have significant follow through. As long as WWE is the John Cena & friends show, not much will really come of any "big events."
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 21, 2015 14:14:29 GMT -5
I think it makes the midcard relevant again. I became a fan at the time where the IC belt was very important, when it was a big honor to have it, I'm glad they're trying to do the same to the us belt.
It would depend on the payoff and what they're building. As a fan it would be cool if he loses it at wrestlemania to an unknown guy, almost like his debut, when he answered Kurt Angle's challenge.
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Post by Woo on Sept 21, 2015 15:55:46 GMT -5
Cena's clever. He's found a way to record victories over every single person on the roster and not be hated for it.
His matches are nothing but spot fests.
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Post by Starshine on Sept 21, 2015 15:56:38 GMT -5
Right now it's the best use of Cena and the belt.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 21, 2015 15:58:47 GMT -5
He should antagonise the people who boo him, by only accepting challenges from midgets, guys in wheelchairs, and people who are dead.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 21, 2015 16:25:24 GMT -5
I think I'd be more of a fan if the matches has more variety, but they have just been the same run of high spot, near fall, high spot, near fall, "hey look, I'm doing a springboard stunner, that's not a five move of doom right?", Cena Wins.
I think I'd rather see the kind of variety that makes Cena use something a bit different each match. Have him fight one of the Lucha Dragons and not have a chance of using this new flippy offence, have him go full power mode while trying desperately to catch up to to their speed, then next week he takes on a brawler and has to try and match that while also surprising them with a few different takes, then the next week have him get cocky and say he'll only need five moves to beat the opponent, and so tries to limit it as much as possible. Make it a string of unique matches we might never see again rather than the same story, different burial.
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Post by jwarr on Sept 21, 2015 16:33:20 GMT -5
I want Xavier to challenge for it and Kofi and Big E help him win it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 16:34:27 GMT -5
Gives a good match most Raws but is completely pointless. I cannot even say they elevate his opponents. Stardust, Neville, Ryder, Ambrose, etc. Did nothing for them.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 21, 2015 16:36:03 GMT -5
Gives a good match most Raws but is completely pointless. I cannot even say they elevate his opponents. Stardust, Neville, Ryder, Ambrose, etc. Did nothing for them. It did nothing for Ambrose because Ambrose is already a "main eventer" in the eyes of the casuals. Ryder had the best match of his career and that match made people realize that he's actually kinda decent. As much as people hate Cena's spot-heavy matches, If people On Ryder's level and lower get to do the flippy high spot stuff with Cena, then it goes a long way in making them a bit more credible. Ryder did a 450 splash ffs.
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